How the U.S. created the Haqqani Network = Bird, Oggy and Wolf talk about all kinds of Important Sheeeit!!

Birdofthad wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

so anything that doesn't reach the power of the Nazi army isn't genocide? What do you not understand? If you kill people only of a certain race or religion, like the Israeli state killing Palestinians and taking land that they think they have some religious right to, then imposing total segregation and continuing the process over and over again, because this is still going on to this day, that is genocide.

lol no what you dont understand is this

genocide - the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

so you actually support the genocide on the Isreali state? Interesting.

what the fuck.....no, he supports leaving the whole thing the fuck alone.

ok just so I get everything right thats been covered in this thread

USA bad guys
Al Qaeda not a threat, just used to fear monger
Palestinians - being killed by genocide
Israel and Jewish people - carrying out genocide on the middle east, muslms and pelstinians


Whats it like to live in fantasy land?

When did i say i supported Genocide of Israel? Give me a fucking break. Seriously. If debating facts and you are throwing around untrue accusations. Like im the 1st fucking person in the world to call Isreal out for war crimes? You're the one who needs to fucking wake up bro. Unplug from the msnbc/cnn/nytimes/washingtontimes machine and get a different perspective for once. Look on youtube of the Palestinian communities getting bulldozed. Peaceful Palestinians not using force trying to stop Israel bulldozers from destroying their homes. Yea, you're not gonna catch that on Maddow.

lol zomg wtf bbq rly? Obviously the Nazi's didn't "invent" the notion of genocide. However the holocaust is the best example of modern day genocide to use. But saying that Israel killing muslims in Israel and nowhere else is really not a genocide, it's an ethnic cleansing of a country. There is a difference. If you like we can try our hand at comparing it to how the Iriquoi pretty much exterminated the Erie's and Illinois, or the Mongol Hordes leaving entire nations without a single survivor in their wake, or how the Mongols nearly bled China dry. The Chin census of 1195 in China collected data that 50 million people inhabited China, the first Mongol census in 1236 counted only 8.5 million. Those are examples of genocide. Israel removing muslims from Israel and leaving them in every surrounding nation is not genocide.

But oggy, its Isreals affairs and Israels business I thought you don't care if Israel does something to

Deterrence, achieved by harming the relatives of those who carry out, or are suspected of involvement in carrying out, attacks[3]
Counter-terrorism, by destroying militant facilities such as bombs labs, headquarters, and offices
Legality, according to building and housing regulations
Forcing out an individual barricaded inside a house, which may be rigged with explosives, without risking soldiers' lives
Self-defence, by destroying possible hideouts and rocket propelled grenade/gun posts[8]
Combat engineering, clearing a path for tanks and heavy armoured personnel carriers

Heres the problem, there is no Palestinian state, Israel is not breaking 4th Genevea Convention enacted in 1949 because of this.

A good chunk of the world views Israel as committing genocide. Look at the article I just posted in the last page, by a law professor at U of I.

Also from a few days ago :


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/03/14/Turkeys-PM-accuses-Israel-of-genocide/UPI-45691331725313/


Is Turkey a fringe pro terror state too?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

A good chunk of the world views Israel as committing genocide. Look at the article I just posted in the last page, by a law professor at U of I.

Also from a few days ago :


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/03/14/Turkeys-PM-accuses-Israel-of-genocide/UPI-45691331725313/


Is Turkey a fringe pro terror state too?

well then it must be true, wolf finally provided a link to go with his opinion

Quote :

The president of the UN General Assembly has condemned Israel's killings of Palestinians in its Gaza offensive as "genocide".

Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann also told Al Jazeera he had never believed that the UN Security Council would be able to stop the violence in Gaza and that Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, had practically told the UN to "mind their own business" by continuing the offensive.

"The number of victims in Gaza is increasing by the day... The situation is untenable. It's genocide," d'Escoto said at the UN in New York.

About 970 Palestinians have been killed and 4,300 injured since Israel began its Gaza offensive on December 27, which it says is to stop Palestinian fighters attacking Israel with rockets.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2009/01/200911321467988347.html


Ok lets see here Israel doesn't commit genocide side : US/Israel/US media, Ludo, Bird

Israel commits genocide : leaders of European nations, the president of the UN general assembly, Wolf, Oggy


Ludo, wake up dude. Bird is a lost cause but your notions of the world are very insular to someone who has had a mainstream media education. No bro, the TV doesn't tell you everything.

Every time Israel seeks to defend its civilians against terrorist attacks, it is accused of war crimes by various United Nations agencies, hard left academics and some in the media. It is a totally phony charge concocted as part of Hamas' strategy -- supported by many on the hard left -- to delegitimate and demonize the Jewish state. Israel is the only democracy in the world ever accused of war crimes when it fights a defensive war to protect its civilians. This is remarkable, especially in light of the fact that Israel has killed far fewer civilians than any other country in the world that has faced comparable threats. In the most recent war in Gaza fewer than a thousand civilians -- even by Hamas' skewed count -- have been killed. This, despite the fact that no one can now deny that Hamas had employed a deliberate policy of using children, schools, mosques, apartment buildings and other civilian areas as shields from behind which to launch its deadly anti-personnel rockets. The Israeli Air Force has produced unchallengeable video evidence of this Hamas war crime.

GO ahead defend Hamas terrorist all you want, it just makes you guys look like morons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/the-phony-war-crimes-accu_b_160050.html

soo did you just admit that Israel is ethnically cleansing Palestinians?

i love how Ludo try's to find one point he can pick at in my entire post, disregard the rest of the things i've said or the theme and just to try to discredit me.

Me : It's a shame so many soldiers are committing suicide, we should do something to help them instead of cut their health benefits
Ludo : Pfft your numbers aren't even accurate slightly less soldiers are killing themselves this month, so obviously you are wrong, we shouldn't help the troops.

oggy420 wrote:

soo did you just admit that Israel is ethnically cleansing Palestinians?

i love how Ludo try's to find one point he can pick at in my entire post, disregard the rest of the things i've said or the theme and just to try to discredit me.

Me : It's a shame so many soldiers are committing suicide, we should do something to help them instead of cut their health benefits
Ludo : Pfft your numbers aren't even accurate slightly less soldiers are killing themselves this month, so obviously you are wrong, we shouldn't help the troops.

no But I did point out how flawed your argument is on every level.

Every time Israel seeks to defend its civilians against terrorist attacks, it is accused of war crimes by various United Nations agencies, hard left academics and some in the media. It is a totally phony charge concocted as part of Hamas' strategy -- supported by many on the hard left -- to delegitimate and demonize the Jewish state. Israel is the only democracy in the world ever accused of war crimes when it fights a defensive war to protect its civilians. This is remarkable, especially in light of the fact that Israel has killed far fewer civilians than any other country in the world that has faced comparable threats. In the most recent war in Gaza fewer than a thousand civilians -- even by Hamas' skewed count -- have been killed. This, despite the fact that no one can now deny that Hamas had employed a deliberate policy of using children, schools, mosques, apartment buildings and other civilian areas as shields from behind which to launch its deadly anti-personnel rockets. The Israeli Air Force has produced unchallengeable video evidence of this Hamas war crime.

pluis I thought you don't care we shouldn't be there, right oggy?

So in your world we handled Rwanda perfectly

Quote :

The Israel Defense Forces surrounded the Palestinian refugee camps, controlled access to them, and facilitated the massacre by firing illuminating flares over the camps.[5][6] In 1982, an independent commission chaired by Sean MacBride concluded that the Israeli authorities or forces were, directly or indirectly, responsible for the events.[7] The Israeli government established the Kahan Commission to investigate, and in early 1983 it found that Israeli military personnel were aware that a massacre was in progress without taking serious steps to stop it. Therefore it regarded Israel as having indirect responsibility. The commission held Ariel Sharon personally responsible for having disregarded the prospect of acts of bloodshed by the Phalangists against the population of the refugee camps and not preventing their entry.[8] Robert Maroun Hatem, Elie Hobeika's bodyguard, stated in his book From Israel to Damascus that Hobeika ordered the massacre of civilians in defiance of Israeli instructions to behave like a "dignified" army.[9]

Israels involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

The president of the UN general assembly is a more credible source than a Jewish writer defending his nation state for the Huff bird.

yea that's right Bird you got it figured out. The anti-war pro civil liberty non-interventionist libertarian supports genocide. You hit the nail on the head.

Now please continue to tell me how Israel does everything in self defense

Jewish Israeli protestors standing up against their nations evil ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P46gwfVuzw8

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Quote :

The Israel Defense Forces surrounded the Palestinian refugee camps, controlled access to them, and facilitated the massacre by firing illuminating flares over the camps.[5][6] In 1982, an independent commission chaired by Sean MacBride concluded that the Israeli authorities or forces were, directly or indirectly, responsible for the events.[7] The Israeli government established the Kahan Commission to investigate, and in early 1983 it found that Israeli military personnel were aware that a massacre was in progress without taking serious steps to stop it. Therefore it regarded Israel as having indirect responsibility. The commission held Ariel Sharon personally responsible for having disregarded the prospect of acts of bloodshed by the Phalangists against the population of the refugee camps and not preventing their entry.[8] Robert Maroun Hatem, Elie Hobeika's bodyguard, stated in his book From Israel to Damascus that Hobeika ordered the massacre of civilians in defiance of Israeli instructions to behave like a "dignified" army.[9]

Israels involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

so Christian Lebanese Phalangists massacre people, and wolf finds a way to lay all blame on Israel. Shocking.

Also since I know you don't understand history. ISRAEL WAS AT WAR WITH LEBANON IN 1982, so lets get something straight, Christian Lebanese Phalangists killed either....
The casualties occurred in the massacre are all reported different by Lebanese investigation committee (460), the Kahan Committee (700 to 800) and the Palestinian Red Cross (2000).

Yet wolf can claim an Israeli genocide

you sir are a fucking clown.

oggy what I grasp is this is a conflict that has been going on since 1948

you piss and moan about Israel doing something after the 2nd Intifada after 2000 without paying attention to the history surrounding the incident.

More Rabbis standing up for Palestine, Peace and against Zionism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uEK7zaMEBg&feature=related

Bird it was the independent counsel who said Israel was indirectly responsible.

i think Bird supports a Rick Santorum foreign policy

So the UN general assembly president, the UN human rights counsel, any world leader who says Israel commits genocide, Amnesty International are all supporters of Islamic terrorism right bird? These are anti semites right bird?

oggy420 wrote:

soo did you just admit that Israel is ethnically cleansing Palestinians?

i love how Ludo try's to find one point he can pick at in my entire post, disregard the rest of the things i've said or the theme and just to try to discredit me.

Me : It's a shame so many soldiers are committing suicide, we should do something to help them instead of cut their health benefits
Ludo : Pfft your numbers aren't even accurate slightly less soldiers are killing themselves this month, so obviously you are wrong, we shouldn't help the troops.

So sensitive. What was it like telling your parents you wanted to be a girl after all this time?

Bird are you a troll? You ignore every link we post. You dont even listen to the arguments. Me and Oggy take no side. You take the Israels side blindly. You're a fool and nothing we say will change your brainwashed mind. Are you Jewish dude?