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Bird you are really good at blindly picking facts that make Israel look innocent while placing all the blame on the Muslims. I instead place blame on everyone, especially their dipshit religious beliefs, and would rather walk away.

The middle east isn't our business. Jesus aint coming back. The Jewish state is one of a million states we should equally try and be friends with.


I am sure Muslims will be shooting rockets at Israel in 500 years too. It is the middle easts concern. Not ours. We live no where near those people. If we got involved with every country that had some group shooting rockets at some other group we'd be involved in wars in hundreds of places.


The Mexican Government deals with significantly more dangerous militant cartels who also shoot rockets and behead people, who have killed significantly more Mexican nationals and government soldiers. Should we get involved in that too?


BAHAHAHA lets have a look at history, you know based on facts.

Israeli-Arab War 1948 to 1949 - Israel is attacked by Iraq, Egypt, Syria, the Holy War Army and Jordan. Virtually all of middle east united against Israel and the Arab League is formed.

6 Day War - Jordan, Syria, Iraqi, Egypt, Lebanon along with support from Saudi Arabia the PLO, Morrocco, Kuwait, and Libya. They mased forces all along the border of Israel in order to invade, Israel kicks there ass and seize the Golan Heighs, the Sinai, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Yom Kippur War - Egypt invades Israel to regain the Sinai. Egypt is forced into a cease fire that leads to camp David Accords which leads to peace which leads to Egypt regaining the Sinai.

1st and 2nd Lebanon War along with the Gaza War - Israel invades Lebanon to stop terrorists from firing thousands of rockets into their country

I.E. wolf you don't know jack shit.




Yes. These two sides had wars. Very good.

I studied these wars in college bro. These are foreign wars G. Aint shit to do with us. Look dude, Israel is safe from OMG UTTER DESTRUCTION that only a relatively small amount of Muslims believe or would actually engage in. That is not a real risk or threat to Israel. Sure, some assbabble rhetoric spouters say that, but that is not something that could realistically ever happen. These sides may never fully find peace, but it aint shit to do with us.

You wanna babble history, lets look at a nearly identical conflict. Since 1947, India and Pakistan have had about as many wars too. Wars that India beat their ass in every time too. India continues to face Islamic terrorist threats in the conflict, yet we don't blow up Pakistan over this shit do we? We don't even care about India's terrorist problems or border disputes. Why is that bird? What makes this one different? Why do we care about Israel so much and not India? Pakistan does a lot of shit that supports the anti-Indian terrorists but we're not on the war path with these guys at all, instead we prop up their dictator. WHY? Why bro? Why?

Another fun fact, as soon as both sides got the bomb, this conflicted has cooled WAY down. Just sayin.


Bird, you're going to have to let go of this Christian idea that it is our business to defend Israel from Muslim enemies. That is a conflict where blame can go on all sides. It isn't our business anymore. No side has any moral highground. Israel may face terrorism, but so does Uganda. Joseph Kony isn't our problem. The PLO isn't our problem. The IRA isn't our problem.
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the Israeli state has killed thousands of innocent Palestinian children, bulldozed entire communities and set up Jewish only schools and businesses there. But that's not important. All we ever hear about is poor Israel. Im sick of it the double standards. War crimes are war crimes, racial genocide is racial genocide. And please don't use the holocaust as an excuse to justify the atrocities they have committed themselves. It disrespects the memory of those who who did die in the holocaust.


wanna talk about a double standard

you are shitting on israel and making up excuses for radical Islamist militants

go look in the mirror with that bullshit.

How is not taking any side a double standard? You're the one with the double standard, picking one side in a debate where there are no good guys or no reason for us to be involved.
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the Israeli state has killed thousands of innocent Palestinian children, bulldozed entire communities and set up Jewish only schools and businesses there. But that's not important. All we ever hear about is poor Israel. Im sick of it the double standards. War crimes are war crimes, racial genocide is racial genocide. And please don't use the holocaust as an excuse to justify the atrocities they have committed themselves. It disrespects the memory of those who who did die in the holocaust.

That is exactly what the fear mongers and Islamophobes do. Use 9-11 and the holocaust as excuses to commit more genocide.

wolf what was the holocaust?

A FUCKING GENOCIDE YOU BOZO

That is the point retard. One holocaust doesn't justify another. Using the Jewish holocaust as an excuse for the Muslim holocaust is just as evil as what the Nazis did. Probably worse because it takes advantage of their own loss and uses it as a shield from their own evils.

If a completely objective sentient race landed on Earth, he would laugh at the idea Axes Powers were any different than the Israeli/US alliance. Just different religions and races. Identical.
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You're getting creamed here. The only response to any of this will be more random links about some random crap that again has nothing to do with us. There is no reason to be involved in the Middle East.
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Bird you are really good at blindly picking facts that make Israel look innocent while placing all the blame on the Muslims. I instead place blame on everyone, especially their dipshit religious beliefs, and would rather walk away.

The middle east isn't our business. Jesus aint coming back. The Jewish state is one of a million states we should equally try and be friends with.


I am sure Muslims will be shooting rockets at Israel in 500 years too. It is the middle easts concern. Not ours. We live no where near those people. If we got involved with every country that had some group shooting rockets at some other group we'd be involved in wars in hundreds of places.


The Mexican Government deals with significantly more dangerous militant cartels who also shoot rockets and behead people, who have killed significantly more Mexican nationals and government soldiers. Should we get involved in that too?


BAHAHAHA lets have a look at history, you know based on facts.

Israeli-Arab War 1948 to 1949 - Israel is attacked by Iraq, Egypt, Syria, the Holy War Army and Jordan. Virtually all of middle east united against Israel and the Arab League is formed.

6 Day War - Jordan, Syria, Iraqi, Egypt, Lebanon along with support from Saudi Arabia the PLO, Morrocco, Kuwait, and Libya. They mased forces all along the border of Israel in order to invade, Israel kicks there ass and seize the Golan Heighs, the Sinai, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Yom Kippur War - Egypt invades Israel to regain the Sinai. Egypt is forced into a cease fire that leads to camp David Accords which leads to peace which leads to Egypt regaining the Sinai.

1st and 2nd Lebanon War along with the Gaza War - Israel invades Lebanon to stop terrorists from firing thousands of rockets into their country

I.E. wolf you don't know jack shit.




Yes. These two sides had wars. Very good.

I studied these wars in college bro. These are foreign wars G. Aint shit to do with us. Look dude, Israel is safe from OMG UTTER DESTRUCTION that only a relatively small amount of Muslims believe or would actually engage in. That is not a real risk or threat to Israel. Sure, some assbabble rhetoric spouters say that, but that is not something that could realistically ever happen. These sides may never fully find peace, but it aint shit to do with us.

You wanna babble history, lets look at a nearly identical conflict. Since 1947, India and Pakistan have had about as many wars too. Wars that India beat their ass in every time too. India continues to face Islamic terrorist threats in the conflict, yet we don't blow up Pakistan over this shit do we? We don't even care about India's terrorist problems or border disputes. Why is that bird? What makes this one different? Why do we care about Israel so much and not India? Pakistan does a lot of shit that supports the anti-Indian terrorists but we're not on the war path with these guys at all, instead we prop up their dictator. WHY? Why bro? Why?

Another fun fact, as soon as both sides got the bomb, this conflicted has cooled WAY down. Just sayin.


Bird, you're going to have to let go of this Christian idea that it is our business to defend Israel from Muslim enemies. That is a conflict where blame can go on all sides. It isn't our business anymore. No side has any moral highground. Israel may face terrorism, but so does Uganda. Joseph Kony isn't our problem. The PLO isn't our problem. The IRA isn't our problem.

where do I say trey do you moron. You stated Israel is always killing and amssacrering innocent people, I decided to show you what happened in reality.

Go ahead wolf keep offering pathetic arguments based on no facts and then backtrack and make the argument about something else.

And that Pakistan question is easy nit wit. Look up General Musharaaf and what his ultimatum was after 9-11; continue to support the Taliban that you propped up with our CIA money, or you help us fight them. Pakistan and India are related to their affairs so why are you calling for one thing in your opening statement and then a different in your last.


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Sooo pointing out horrible crimes committed by the Israeli state when you've been praising them like they are the chosen people of god and the rest of the world are all evil muslim peasants not worthy to breathe the same air as them makes me a radical Islamist supporter?

you sound strait up Zionist bro, you work for Mossad? How come we don't bother Mossad for working with a known terrorist group MEK? OO wait those are the good terrorists, because they kill muslims not jews right?

yea im definitely the one with the double standards whatever bro.
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Sooo pointing out horrible crimes committed by the Israeli state when you've been praising them like they are the chosen people of god and the rest of the world are all evil muslim peasants not worthy to breathe the same air as them makes me a radical Islamist supporter?

you sound strait up Zionist bro, you work for Mossad? How come we don't bother Mossad for working with a known terrorist group MEK? OO wait those are the good terrorists, because they kill muslims not jews right?

yea im definitely the one with the double standards whatever bro.

you dnt comprehend much oggy, you just say oh he doesn't agree he is a war mongerr, thinks Israel is god and hates muslims

I.E. you don't know dick about my opinion if thats how you think I generalize things, I am saying there are foreign countries that are our friends, and foreign countries that aren't. I am for protecting american interests from a foreign attack.

Oggy tell me this, how many troops did we have in Afghanistan on September 10, 2001? Yet you claim they attack because we are in their country.
You realize Ron Paul voted for the War in Afghanistan and supports hunting Al Qaeda?

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Birdofthad wrote:
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Sooo pointing out horrible crimes committed by the Israeli state when you've been praising them like they are the chosen people of god and the rest of the world are all evil muslim peasants not worthy to breathe the same air as them makes me a radical Islamist supporter?

you sound strait up Zionist bro, you work for Mossad? How come we don't bother Mossad for working with a known terrorist group MEK? OO wait those are the good terrorists, because they kill muslims not jews right?

yea im definitely the one with the double standards whatever bro.

you dnt comprehend much oggy, you just say oh he doesn't agree he is a war mongerr, thinks Israel is god and hates muslims

I.E. you don't know dick about my opinion if thats how you think I generalize things, I am saying there are foreign countries that are our friends, and foreign countries that aren't. I am for protecting american interests from a foreign attack.

Oggy tell me this, how many troops did we have in Afghanistan on September 10, 2001? Yet you claim they attack because we are in their country.
You realize Ron Paul voted for the War in Afghanistan and supports hunting Al Qaeda?

Bird your inability to follow concepts is frustrating. So is your lack of basic knowledge of who your boogymen are. Al-Qaeda is a pan islamist group that views our attack on any portion of the middle east an attack on them. Oggy, Paul and myself all contend Al-qaeda is basically a natural response anyone should expect to the type of foreign policy we engage in over there. In addition to our direct military actions, we indirectly stick our noses in all kinds of religious conflicts and dramas in the region and engage in economic warfare. Our dick is all up in the pussy.



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Congressman Paul supported going into Afghanistan and attacking those who attacked us on 9/11. He voted to give the President the authority to use force there. However, Congressman Paul noted that using force against the Taliban was not a declaration of war. He stated that to declare war against a group that is not a country makes the clear declaration of war more complex. Congressman Paul argued that the best tool the framers of the Constitution provided under those circumstances was the power of Congress to grant letters of marque and reprisals. He cautioned against entering into such a vague and undefined war, but in the end supported the resolution to use force as it was the only option available and doing nothing was unthinkable. Congressman Paul's desire was to have clearly defined objectives that would be provided in letter of reprisal or a declaration of war. An authorization to use force provides no clarity as to scope and purpose.

After the military victory over the Taliban was achieved, Congressman Paul began attempting to reign in US military presence there to avoid the vague and prolonged war he cautioned against in 2001. In 2002, Congressman Paul noted in a floor speech that war with Afghanistan was simply no longer necessary. He noted that the people who attacked us had already been defeated and to further destroy Afghanistan only to rebuild it out of some misplaced sense of duty was simply not necessary.

Throughout the next few years, Congressman Paul maintained this same viewpoint on the war : the goals of the war were achieved and US forces should come home. He noted that drawing the US into a prolonged war was a plan put forth by Osama Bin Laden and the war threatens to do exactly what he stated was it's objective - to contribute to the bankruptcy of the US. He stated that the US now found itself mired in a war where victory could not be defined by the American people and withdraw cannot be accepted by the politicians.
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My grandpa was jewish. You can have an opinion freak. considering your MMA opinions are utterly worthless maybe these counter balance them.
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to bad ROn voted for War as well


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Sooo pointing out horrible crimes committed by the Israeli state when you've been praising them like they are the chosen people of god and the rest of the world are all evil muslim peasants not worthy to breathe the same air as them makes me a radical Islamist supporter?

you sound strait up Zionist bro, you work for Mossad? How come we don't bother Mossad for working with a known terrorist group MEK? OO wait those are the good terrorists, because they kill muslims not jews right?

yea im definitely the one with the double standards whatever bro.

you dnt comprehend much oggy, you just say oh he doesn't agree he is a war mongerr, thinks Israel is god and hates muslims

I.E. you don't know dick about my opinion if thats how you think I generalize things, I am saying there are foreign countries that are our friends, and foreign countries that aren't. I am for protecting american interests from a foreign attack.

Oggy tell me this, how many troops did we have in Afghanistan on September 10, 2001? Yet you claim they attack because we are in their country.
You realize Ron Paul voted for the War in Afghanistan and supports hunting Al Qaeda?

Bird your inability to follow concepts is frustrating. So is your lack of basic knowledge of who your boogymen are. Al-Qaeda is a pan islamist group that views our attack on any portion of the middle east an attack on them. Oggy, Paul and myself all contend Al-qaeda is basically a natural response anyone should expect to the type of foreign policy we engage in over there. In addition to our direct military actions, we indirectly stick our noses in all kinds of religious conflicts and dramas in the region and engage in economic warfare. Our dick is all up in the pussy.



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Congressman Paul supported going into Afghanistan and attacking those who attacked us on 9/11. He voted to give the President the authority to use force there. However, Congressman Paul noted that using force against the Taliban was not a declaration of war. He stated that to declare war against a group that is not a country makes the clear declaration of war more complex. Congressman Paul argued that the best tool the framers of the Constitution provided under those circumstances was the power of Congress to grant letters of marque and reprisals. He cautioned against entering into such a vague and undefined war, but in the end supported the resolution to use force as it was the only option available and doing nothing was unthinkable. Congressman Paul's desire was to have clearly defined objectives that would be provided in letter of reprisal or a declaration of war. An authorization to use force provides no clarity as to scope and purpose.

After the military victory over the Taliban was achieved, Congressman Paul began attempting to reign in US military presence there to avoid the vague and prolonged war he cautioned against in 2001. In 2002, Congressman Paul noted in a floor speech that war with Afghanistan was simply no longer necessary. He noted that the people who attacked us had already been defeated and to further destroy Afghanistan only to rebuild it out of some misplaced sense of duty was simply not necessary.

Throughout the next few years, Congressman Paul maintained this same viewpoint on the war : the goals of the war were achieved and US forces should come home. He noted that drawing the US into a prolonged war was a plan put forth by Osama Bin Laden and the war threatens to do exactly what he stated was it's objective - to contribute to the bankruptcy of the US. He stated that the US now found itself mired in a war where victory could not be defined by the American people and withdraw cannot be accepted by the politicians.


How wrong you are about al Qaeda, their 1996 fatwa dealt specifically with Saudi Arabia wanting our bases there . That is what the fatwa was about, we never attacked Al Qaeda. The first time we attacked Al Qaeda was when Clinton launched missiles at their Khost training camps after they bombed our USS Cole in Yemen. you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Guess what military kicked Talban out of Afghanistan?

Fall of Mazar-i-sharif - Fell to Dostum (Northern Alliance) - Oct. 2001
Fall Of Torin Kowt - fell to Hamid Karzais Eastern Alliance Nov. 2001
Fall of Kabul - fell to Eastern Alliance and Notth Alliance - Nov. 2001
Fall of Kandahar - Fell to Karzai in the North and Sherzai in the South - Nov 2001
Tora Bora - 26 american troops on ground with 2,000 Northern Alliance fighters. - Dec 2001
Dec 27, Bin Laden is out of Afghanistan. Now you don't know or fail to understand, that from 2001-2004 Taliban and Al Qaeda ontinued to operate in Afghanistan. That is what Operation Anaconda was all about.

See something there? All of the ground campaign portion of that war was fought using Afghanistan fighters on ground using american bombing campaigns to coincide.
Ron Paul voted for this war and was against the Iraq War because we waisted resources on fighting AQ, We took our "eye off the ball"

You are right about 1 thing wolf, Bin Ladens stated goal was to "bleed us as we did the Soviets."
BUT SOMETHING BIG HAPPENED. He expected a large ground force like the Soviets used that would rally people, he planned on carrying out Ahmad Shah Massouds Soviet Afghan war plan. Only we didn't play by those rules. We dropped bombs and backed the northern alliance. Bin Laden correctly viewed Iraq as great for his organization.

Iraq opened an urban center that was ripe for IED and car bombs (first time AQ used these) and they used Iraq as a training ground for Afghanistan. Haqqani network introduced car bombs in Afghanistan in 2006. BUT Bin Laden himself stated the bad effect this had. I.E. AQ has killed more muslims than they have americans with their IEDS and car bombs. THat is why Bin Laden wanted to change Al Qaedas name before being killed.

Just so you know Ron Paul is wrong though. Taliban and Al Qaeda have not been defeated and to suggest they were by January 2002 is laughable.
Mullah Omar, Bin Laden, Zawahiri - Those are the 3 big kings who escaped into Pakistan. The only high military target captured or killed in the initial Afghanistan war was Muhammad Atef the number 3 in Al Qaeda.
Afghanistan was liberated from Taliban majority rule but in no way shape or form was that war finished in December 2001. We did not even have KSM by then.

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second of all wolf you seem to have a hard time comprehending BIN LADEN AND AL QAEDA DECLARED WAR ON US BECAUSE HE WAS BUT HURT THE SAUDIS PICKED AMERICA AND NOT HIS MUJAHIDEEN.

We did not attack Bin Laden in Sudan or Afghanistan until after he had killed over 3,000 americans.

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Bird this is what you fail and will fail to understand. Bombing them etc will NEVER defeat them. this war cannot be won. as long as we have bases in saudi arabia protecting their corrupt royal family, support brutal failed states like yemen, and stay involved with sectarian islamic violence and islam vs jewish violence, there will never be an end to terrorism, ever. it will NEVER happen
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Bird this is what you fail and will fail to understand. Bombing them etc will NEVER defeat them. this war cannot be won. as long as we have bases in saudi arabia protecting their corrupt royal family, support brutal failed states like yemen, and stay involved with sectarian islamic violence and islam vs jewish violence, there will never be an end to terrorism, ever. it will NEVER happen


ya your right wolf we shouldn't be friends with our allies. We should just listen to nut jobs that hate us.

that will never happen

I AM NOT CALLING FOR AN END TO TERRORISM I AM CALLING FOR AN END TO THE NETWORK THAT WE KNOW CARRIED OUT THE BIGGEST TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOIL.

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My grandpa was jewish. You can have an opinion freak. considering your MMA opinions are utterly worthless maybe these counter balance them.

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The whole problem started with Palestinians being taken out of their own land and it being given to the Jews. What else would you expect to happen? The Arabs only started hating the U.S when you guys started supporting and backing up Israel. I guarantee if you guys had nothing to do with Israel then the Muslims would have no problem at all with the U.S.
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My grandpa was jewish. You can have an opinion freak. considering your MMA opinions are utterly worthless maybe these counter balance them.

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The whole problem started with Palestinians being taken out of their own land and it being given to the Jews. What else would you expect to happen? The Arabs only started hating the U.S when you guys started supporting and backing up Israel. I guarantee if you guys had nothing to do with Israel then the Muslims would have no problem at all with the U.S.

Oh how wrong you were...

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The whole problem started with Palestinians being taken out of their own land and it being given to the Jews. What else would you expect to happen? The Arabs only started hating the U.S when you guys started supporting and backing up Israel. I guarantee if you guys had nothing to do with Israel then the Muslims would have no problem at all with the U.S.

I agree to a point Freak, 1948 is the starting point.

Where I disagree with you is that you forget to mention that the Arab world failed to acknowledge existence of Israel, the same with the P.L.O. and decided to wage a war on the state instantly.

Look up Abdullah Azzam wolf and freak, he is a perfect example of the arab militants that wanted to wage war on Israel. He was the head of MAK and later Al Qaeda with Bin Laden as his main funder. Azzam was one of the first to call for global jihad and his main target was Israel. His main plan was to train Hamas brigades before entering Israel.
Guess who had a different avenue for global jihad?
Ayman Al Zawahiri -the people EIJ wanted to jihad against were not Israeli Jews, European Christians or Indian Hindus, but self-professed Muslims of the Egyptian government and other secular Muslim governments. For the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, takfir against the allegedly impious Egyptian government was central,[26] but Azzam opposed takfir of Muslims – including takfir of Muslim governments – which he believed spread fitna and disunity within the Muslim community.

Guess who got Bin Ladens ear? Zawahiri? Guess who got blown up? Azzam
Guess what direction Al Qaeda went after mending with EIJ? Not towards a war on Israel I can tell you that.

It was a war against the "head of the snake."
Simply put, it is easy to pidgeon whole all of these problems to the Israeli Palestinian conflict, but there are many other factors that play into accord.
Remember that Bin Laden was in afghanistan to wage jihad, then he went to the Sudan, then Yemen and then Afghanistan. Guess how many attacks on Israel during that time? None.

Just saying.

Also the 2 state solution is simple. THey made Israel first, the Arab world freaked out and Palestinians took such a hard line nut job stance that their country was never created because they never agreed to radical things like oh recognizing the existence of Israel.

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Wolfgangsta wrote:
My grandpa was jewish. You can have an opinion freak. considering your MMA opinions are utterly worthless maybe these counter balance them.

freakzilla wrote:
The whole problem started with Palestinians being taken out of their own land and it being given to the Jews. What else would you expect to happen? The Arabs only started hating the U.S when you guys started supporting and backing up Israel. I guarantee if you guys had nothing to do with Israel then the Muslims would have no problem at all with the U.S.

Oh how wrong you were...


I guess its easy to forget that a lot of these middle eastern countries supported Nazi Germany. We didn't just shit on them over night and create a massive problem.

Iraq slaughtered their jewish population during WW2, the original Shah (not his son) supported Nazi Germany during WW2 and was removed,

Ever heard of the Hanjar Division? the Jeruslaem Waffen S.S. brigade formed and recruited by Haj Amein al-Husseini recruited and formed the brigade himself.as a matter of record, there was a well-documented, thriving relationship between the Arab/Muslim world and Nazi Germany, with perhaps the most significant figure linking Hitler to the Middle East being none other Sabri's very own predecessor, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini. Here is a brief review of that dark, overlooked chapter in history.

To show gratitude towards his hosts, in 1943 the Mufti travelled several times to Bosnia, where on orders of the SS he recruited the notorious "Hanjar troopers," a special Bosnian Waffen SS company which slaugh-tered 90% of Bosnia's Jews and burned countless Serbian churches and villages. These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden.

The Arab Embrace of Nazism: Husseini represents the prevalent pro-Nazi posture among the Arab/Muslim world before, during and even after the Holocaust. The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany in 1933. News of the Nazi takeover was welcomed by the Arab masses with great enthusiasm, as the first congratulatory telegrams Hitler received upon being appointed Chancellor came from the German Consul in Jerusalem, followed by those from several Arab capitals. Soon afterwards, parties that imitated the National Socialists were founded in many Arab lands, like the "Hisb-el-qaumi-el-suri" (PPS) or Social Nationalist Party in Syria. Its leader, Anton Sa'ada, styled himself the Führer of the Syrian nation, and Hitler became known as "Abu Ali" (In Egypt his name was "Muhammed Haidar"). The banner of the PPS displayed the swastika on a black-white background. Later, a Lebanese branch of the PPS – which still receives its orders from Damascus – was involved in the assassination of Lebanese President Pierre Gemayel.

The most influential party that emulated the Nazis was "Young Egypt," which was founded in October 1933. They had storm troopers, torch processions, and literal translations of Nazi slogans – like "One folk, One party, One leader." Nazi anti-Semitism was replicated, with calls to boycott Jewish businesses and physical attacks on Jews. Britain had a bitter experience with this pro-German mood in Egypt, when the official Egyptian government failed to declare war on the Wehrmacht as German troops were about to conquer Alexandria.

After the war, a member of Young Egypt named Gamal Abdul Nasser was among the officers who led the July 1952 revolution in Egypt. Their first act – following in Hitler's footsteps – was to outlaw all other parties. Nasser's Egypt became a safe haven for Nazi war criminals, among them the SS General in charge of the murder of Ukrainian Jewry; he became Nasser's bodyguard and close comrade. Alois Brunner, another senior Nazi war criminal, found shelter in Damascus, where he served for many years as senior adviser to the Syrian general staff and still resides today.

Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of the ruling Syrian Ba'ath Party, recalls: "We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books... We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism."


HISTORY PEOPLE, ITS FACTS NOT OPINION

Hitler's Mein Kampf currently ranks sixth on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs. Luis Al-Haj, translator of the Arabic edition, writes glowingly in the preface about how Hitler's "ideology" and his "theories of nationalism, dictatorship and race… are advancing especially within our Arabic States." When Palestinian police first greeted Arafat in the self-rule areas, they offered the infamous Nazi salute - the right arm raised straight and upward.

The PLO and notably Arafat himself do not make a secret of their source of inspiration. The Grand Mufti el-Husseini is venerated as a hero by the PLO. It should be noted, that the PLO's top figure in east Jerusalem today, Faisal Husseini, is the grandson to the Führer's Mufti. Arafat also considers the Grand Mufti a respected educator and leader, and in 1985 declared it an honor to follow in his footsteps. Little wonder. In 1951, a close relative of the Mufti named Rahman Abdul Rauf el-Qudwa el-Husseini matriculated to the University of Cairo. The student decided to conceal his true identity and enlisted as "Yasser Arafat."


THE P.L.O. (YASSER ARAFAT) OPENLY ADMITS THEIR SOURCE OF INSPIRATION WAS HITLER.




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seems to me the real problem was that a good portion of middle eastern countries (and especially their leaders) were already participating in Hitlers slaughter and only regretted not playing a larger part.

Ya the United States of America created this problem

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Im glad this was brought up cause lets delve a little more into how america [pissed off all of middle east by creating Israel (allegedly)

Well I will counter with these people were already working with the Nazis, have fun defending these people who would have been sweet book authors if america hadn't messed everything up.

Amin al Husseini - Amin Al-Husseini is main organizer of riots. [xvii] He organizes suicide squads against the local authorities. Applies Nazi methodology of “systematic extermination” of any Arab suspected of less than total loyalty to Pan-Islamic vision of Muslim Brotherhood.
Any “non-Islamic” element is a threat to his Pan-Islamic vision.
Many Muslim and Christian Palestinian intellectual leaders and clerics assassinated for protesting Husseini’s Islamic terror.

1936-1938. Murdered by Husseini’s men:
Sheikh Daoud Ansari ( Imam of Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Ali Nur el Khattib (Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Nusbi Abdal Rahim (Council of Muslim Religious Court), Sheikh Abdul el Badoui (Acre, Palestine), Sheikh El Namouri (Hebron), Nasr El Din Nassr (Mayor of Hebron). Between Feb. 1937 and Nov 1938, Eleven (11) Mukhtars (community leaders) and their entire families slain by Amin al Husseini’s men.

By 1937 this prize was on Hitlers payroll. Amin Al-Husseini visits Jerusalem German Consul. He meets SS Hauptschanfuehrer A.Eichman and SS Oberscherfuehrer H. Hagen to discuss “the Jewish question”. [xviii] Amin Al-Husseini subsequently receives financial and military aid from Nazi Germany.

Amin Al-Husseini arrives in Rome, where he meets fascist leader Benito Mussolini, the genocidal butcher of Ethiopians in Africa. Mussolini vows to help the Palestinian cause against the Jews. From Rome, Husseini declares Fatwa-Jihad [xxi] against Britain. He preaches the notion of Pan-Islamism, with vision of Muslim unity to further his cause.

Amin Al-Husseini instigates a pro-nazi coup in Baghdad, Iraq. Kharaillah Tulfah is his right-hand man. Tulfah is Saddam Hussein’s mentor and uncle. Germany sends weapons and aircrafts to Husseini. Coup fails.

Amin Al-Husseini in Berlin meets [xxiii] with Adolf Hitler [xxiv] and is active in the decision to exterminate all Jews through the infamous Final Solution [xxv] .
Amin Al Husseini Meets Hitler in Berlin During WWII
Hitler was reportedly content with deporting the Jews out of Europe to Palestine. Husseini perceived this as a threat to his stronghold in Palestine and pushed successfully for the extermination of the European Jews.


April 25th. Amin Al-Husseini is made chief architect [xxvii] of Nazi offensive in Bosnia: Serbian-Cyrillic alphabet outlawed. Orthodox Serbs forced to wear Blue armband. Jewish Serbs forced to wear Yellow armband.

While in Bosnia, Amin Al-Husseini takes the title “Protector of Islam”. One hundred thousand (100,000) Bosnian Muslims join the Nazi ranks. They seek Nazi approval to establish autonomous Nazi protectorate for Bosnian Muslims.

Amin Al-Husseini approves the Pejani Plan, calling for the extermination of the Serbian population. Nazi Germany refuses to implement the Pejani plan.

Bosnian ethnic cleansing under Amin al Husseini:

. Orthodox Christian Serbs: 200,000 killed

. Jewish Bosnians: 22,000 killed

. Gypsies: over 40,000 killed

Husseini’s legacy of hatred is a major factor in today’s Bosnia/Herzegovina conflict against the Serbs and their leader Milosevic.

That is all up to 1941 shall I continue proving a link between Nazi and elements of the ME hate for the Jewish population prior to 1948

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lol special interests that still have say in the establishment here supported nazi germany look up prescott bush getting busted at the nyc bank for nazi money laundering , look up how nazi war planes couldn't operates with fuel additive from JD Rockefeller's US standard oil. Yea, but only the muslims are evil.

Know anything about the carlyle group?
And we did fund Osama and his "freedom fighter" before they became our enemy.

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