How the U.S. created the Haqqani Network = Bird, Oggy and Wolf talk about all kinds of Important Sheeeit!!

The debate on whether they were an inside job or how they came to happen is much like the holocaust debates.

Sure, if we really wanted to we could look at the exaggerated numbers of the number of Jews even existing in Europe, the exaggerated death tolls, and the obvious logical inconsistency of a mass extermination that requires special expensive camps and the engineering of special gasses and death chambers etc when firing squads and a single bullet allocated for a single prisoner's skull would be much more cost effective for exterminating people. If the Nazi's really wanted to completely obliterate all the Jews, NONE would be left alive in camps still using resources by the end of the war. We could also look at the motive we're told. The Scapegoat theory. Maybe, just maybe, regardless of how wrong they were in what they did, maybe the Germans had a legitimate gripe with Zionism and Jewish control over financial institutions etc in Germany/the West at the time.

I don't deny the Holocaust happened to some degree, and I don't deny it was wrong and a horrible, anti-human act of oppression/genocide, but its motive, scope and goals were likely very different than what we're told over and over by the media and history books. The victors always write history, and Americans and Jews are no different than any other victor in any other war. They dress up the evils of the loser, and impose absolute moral goodness to the victors. Hitler probably wanted to create Zion for them, in Madagascar. But when you get into this debate in the mainstream, it immediately obscures your credibility and motives. Painting you as a racist anti-Semite neo-nazi klansman bigoted atheist satanist pedophile. It shuts the debate down entirely. "Holocaust denier" is about as purgative as any phrase in human history, and the moment the official body count or story is challenged at all, that is what is immediately shouted. Leave the Holocaust's historical inconsistency alone, and instead focus on how, whatever happened is now being exploited by Israel to create new NEW holocausts against Muslims and to utterly stifle criticism of the Jewish state.

The 9-11 attacks have been similarly exploited. Whether or not we created them, allowed them to happen etc is immaterial at this stage of the debate. Getting into 9-11 conspiracy theories obscures the issue to the casual sheep we need to address. 9-11 conspiracy theorists are written off as nut jobs regardless of whether or not there are some legitimate questions about the attacks. If the macro of the issue is the same, lets examine that first. No matter what, it was a symptom of pre-existing, and ergo a cause of more oppression, genocide and warcrimes against the Muslim block.

Once we stop our aggressive foreign policy, kick out corporatism and Zionism, etc, then history can truly judge with an accurate lens 9-11, the Holocaust, and these other events that are used to justify the destruction, terrorism and genocide we commit and condone. Events we cause or commit that are at least equal, if not significantly worse in scale and duration. There will no longer be a stake in obscuring what happened.

Kind of like the civil war. During the war and especially afterward, the North changed the narrative to slavery to justify the horrible toll it took on the psyche of Northern Americans. And to shame the South from identifying again with their states rights based cause. Never mind the war was NOT waged over slavery. In college I wrote a stupid paper claiming that no matter what, it was slavery that fueled the war. I debated the emerging mainstream position of my professor that the war wasn't about Slavery. That fake media narrative is still taught in some places, and that is what I still needed to believe. But, the war and interests in the conflict were so far removed from relevance now that the debate is now looked at honestly by historians. Succession is not a risk anymore, reconstruction is over and the war is a historical event, disconnected from today's America.

The 9-11 attacks were a watershed moment in my life. They were a terrible tragedy. But our response to them has been tenfold worse. There have been millions killed in response. Our freedoms have been eroded. The government has expanded its power. The true evils of Sept. 11 2001 were not felt on that day, but have been felt by the Muslim world ever since, and will be felt here by our kids and grand kids and so on if we don't fight back.

Terrorism is a boogeyman concept used to create a moral panic and cause fear mongering. Nothing more.

They were a criminal attack carried out by a criminal organization. The idea that terrorism or terrorist organizations are on the same level of threat as an actual nation state declaring war on us is absurd. The notion that THE WHOLE WORLD IS A BATTLEFIELD DECLARE AMERICA A BATTLE FIELD is dangerous and horrifying to me.

Holy run on sentence batman!

Wolfgangsta wrote:

The debate on whether they were an inside job or how they came to happen is much like the holocaust debates.

Sure, if we really wanted to we could look at the exaggerated numbers of the number of Jews even existing in Europe, the exaggerated death tolls, and the obvious logical inconsistency of a mass extermination that requires special expensive camps and the engineering of special gasses and death chambers etc when firing squads and a single bullet allocated for a single prisoner's skull would be much more cost effective for exterminating people. If the Nazi's really wanted to completely obliterate all the Jews, NONE would be left alive in camps still using resources by the end of the war. We could also look at the motive we're told. The Scapegoat theory. Maybe, just maybe, regardless of how wrong they were in what they did, maybe the Germans had a legitimate gripe with Zionism and Jewish control over financial institutions etc in Germany/the West at the time.

I don't deny the Holocaust happened to some degree, and I don't deny it was wrong and a horrible, anti-human act of oppression/genocide, but its motive, scope and goals were likely very different than what we're told over and over by the media and history books. The victors always write history, and Americans and Jews are no different than any other victor in any other war. They dress up the evils of the loser, and impose absolute moral goodness to the victors. Hitler probably wanted to create Zion for them, in Madagascar. But when you get into this debate in the mainstream, it immediately obscures your credibility and motives. Painting you as a racist anti-Semite neo-nazi klansman bigoted atheist satanist pedophile. It shuts the debate down entirely. "Holocaust denier" is about as purgative as any phrase in human history, and the moment the official body count or story is challenged at all, that is what is immediately shouted. Leave the Holocaust's historical inconsistency alone, and instead focus on how, whatever happened is now being exploited by Israel to create new NEW holocausts against Muslims and to utterly stifle criticism of the Jewish state.

The 9-11 attacks have been similarly exploited. Whether or not we created them, allowed them to happen etc is immaterial at this stage of the debate. Getting into 9-11 conspiracy theories obscures the issue to the casual sheep we need to address. 9-11 conspiracy theorists are written off as nut jobs regardless of whether or not there are some legitimate questions about the attacks. If the macro of the issue is the same, lets examine that first. No matter what, it was a symptom of pre-existing, and ergo a cause of more oppression, genocide and warcrimes against the Muslim block.

Once we stop our aggressive foreign policy, kick out corporatism and Zionism, etc, then history can truly judge with an accurate lens 9-11, the Holocaust, and these other events that are used to justify the destruction, terrorism and genocide we commit and condone. Events we cause or commit that are at least equal, if not significantly worse in scale and duration. There will no longer be a stake in obscuring what happened.

Kind of like the civil war. During the war and especially afterward, the North changed the narrative to slavery to justify the horrible toll it took on the psyche of Northern Americans. And to shame the South from identifying again with their states rights based cause. Never mind the war was NOT waged over slavery. In college I wrote a stupid paper claiming that no matter what, it was slavery that fueled the war. I debated the emerging mainstream position of my professor that the war wasn't about Slavery. That fake media narrative is still taught in some places, and that is what I still needed to believe. But, the war and interests in the conflict were so far removed from relevance now that the debate is now looked at honestly by historians. Succession is not a risk anymore, reconstruction is over and the war is a historical event, disconnected from today's America.

I do not deny this, the Iraq War is a clear cut example of Bush cherry picking intel

Punctuation and sentence breaks are a tool of zionists to control debate, and also ethnocenterism from anti ADHD neurotypicals to oppress free thought and shape our notions of coherence and should be eliminated completely so our children don't live in a world where an idea can be shut down by a period or exclamation point.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

The 9-11 attacks were a watershed moment in my life. They were a terrible tragedy. But our response to them has been tenfold worse. There have been millions killed in response. Our freedoms have been eroded. The government has expanded its power. The true evils of Sept. 11 2001 were not felt on that day, but have been felt by the Muslim world ever since, and will be felt here by our kids and grand kids and so on if we don't fight back.

Terrorism is a boogeyman concept used to create a moral panic and cause fear mongering. Nothing more.

They were a criminal attack carried out by a criminal organization. The idea that terrorism or terrorist organizations are on the same level of threat as an actual nation state declaring war on us is absurd. The notion that THE WHOLE WORLD IS A BATTLEFIELD DECLARE AMERICA A BATTLE FIELD is dangerous and horrifying to me.

I agree with your first paragraph

completely disagree with your 2nd paragraph. I believe counter terrorism is the way to go. We are not in a global war on terror, we haven't been in some time. It is now the global war on Al Qada, thats what Obama calls it and thats what it really is. Bush did use terrorism for political purposes Im not arguing that.

Gotta disagree on your third paragraph, mainly because they are terrorist and proudly proclaim it. Wolf these people (radical militant islamist) are at war with us, they have clerics issues fatwas that have led to the attacks they carry out. They were already at war with us before 9-11, they have been since 1996 (at least AQ has been)

Here is what Ramzi Yousef (the mastermind of the WTC Bombing in 1993 said in court)

Yes, I am a terrorist and proud of it as long as it is against the U.S. government.

http://articles.cnn.com/1998-01-08/us/9801_08_yousef.update_1_yousef-trade-center-bombing-airliner-bombing?_s=PM:US

Ramzi Yousef blew up the WTC, blew up Phillipines Airlines FLight 434, attempted to assassinate Benazir Bhutto and was captured with his computer that contained plans for "Operation Bojinka" a plan that he wanted to blow up 10 airliners all over the Ocean and simultaneously crash a plane into the FBI HQ in USA. Yousef was caught before he could carry this plot out, but his uncle Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, went to Bin Laden and told them of his plan, AQ scaled the plan down into hijacking planes and crashing them into targets. That is how KSM became the mastermind of 9-11. These aren't boogeymen, they are real people that exist. We have custody of Yousef and KSM now. These guys were plotting for a long time.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Punctuation and sentence breaks are a tool of zionists to control debate, and also ethnocenterism from anti ADHD neurotypicals to oppress free thought and shape our notions of coherence and should be eliminated completely so our children don't live in a world where an idea can be shut down by a period or exclamation point.

admit it you just did a sig heil, lol

Birdofthad wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

The 9-11 attacks were a watershed moment in my life. They were a terrible tragedy. But our response to them has been tenfold worse. There have been millions killed in response. Our freedoms have been eroded. The government has expanded its power. The true evils of Sept. 11 2001 were not felt on that day, but have been felt by the Muslim world ever since, and will be felt here by our kids and grand kids and so on if we don't fight back.

Terrorism is a boogeyman concept used to create a moral panic and cause fear mongering. Nothing more.

They were a criminal attack carried out by a criminal organization. The idea that terrorism or terrorist organizations are on the same level of threat as an actual nation state declaring war on us is absurd. The notion that THE WHOLE WORLD IS A BATTLEFIELD DECLARE AMERICA A BATTLE FIELD is dangerous and horrifying to me.

I agree with your first paragraph

completely disagree with your 2nd paragraph. I believe counter terrorism is the way to go. We are not in a global war on terror, we haven't been in some time. It is now the global war on Al Qada, thats what Obama calls it and thats what it really is. Bush did use terrorism for political purposes Im not arguing that.

Gotta disagree on your third paragraph, mainly because they are terrorist and proudly proclaim it. Wolf these people (radical militant islamist) are at war with us, they have clerics issues fatwas that have led to the attacks they carry out. They were already at war with us before 9-11, they have been since 1996 (at least AQ has been)

Here is what Ramzi Yousef (the mastermind of the WTC Bombing in 1993 said in court)

Yes, I am a terrorist and proud of it as long as it is against the U.S. government.

http://articles.cnn.com/1998-01-08/us/9801_08_yousef.update_1_yousef-trade-center-bombing-airliner-bombing?_s=PM:US

Ramzi Yousef blew up the WTC, blew up Phillipines Airlines FLight 434, attempted to assassinate Benazir Bhutto and was captured with his computer that contained plans for "Operation Bojinka" a plan that he wanted to blow up 10 airliners all over the Ocean and simultaneously crash a plane into the FBI HQ in USA. Yousef was caught before he could carry this plot out, but his uncle Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, went to Bin Laden and told them of his plan, AQ scaled the plan down into hijacking planes and crashing them into targets. That is how KSM became the mastermind of 9-11. These aren't boogeymen, they are real people that exist. We have custody of Yousef and KSM now. These guys were plotting for a long time.

Terrorism is designated as a special evil, when really it is just a natural reaction to our current policies. Albeit dangerous and extreme. The designation of war should be only for nation states. When we start prosecuting and pursuing organizations that are not nation states as terrorists because they oppose our government or the Israeli government to various degrees it is a slippery slope our government can and does abuse. Terrorism is a criminal reaction to our equally criminal policies. Prosecuting them under criminal and international laws would be sufficient, and would prevent abuse by our government against dissenting organizations that have not committed crimes.

Or we could just stop fucking with the middle east...

the problem is wolf groups like Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Ayman Zawahiri's group) was created to battle the Egyptian govt over the Camp David Accords, Bin Laden formed AQ out of MEK with a sole purpose, to strike the west. This is before the 1991 Gulf War, he just used that moment to justify his retarded means.

I have said this before the Gulf War was the right thing, Saddam was invading the Middle East and the Middle East paid our bill for that war and we know have allies in Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, which is important. Egypt was in our coalition as well. Bin Laden was mad that we kept bases in those countries WHEN THOSE COUNTRIES ASKED US TO, we did not superimpose ourselves there. In fact they paid us 48 billion dollars to come there.

Bin Laden was a terrorist who declared war on us because the "infidel was in the holy land". These terrorist organizations like EIJ, AQ, Hezb-i-islami, etc. almost all formed out of the Russian Afghanistan war or out of a willingness to overthrow their moderate governments.

I agree with you wof we need to try them, Ramzi Yousef, the Blind Sheikh, Abdullah the Red, they are all in prison in america , all tried in New York, all received 240 year sentences. The idea that we cannot charge Khalid Sheikh Muhammad in New York is stupid imo. Its time to put these guys in a prison cell and take them out of the black site prisons.

oggy420 wrote:

Bird are you actually saying the Shah in Iran was good?

Ill take the Shah over the Ayatollah any fucking day, thats not a hard question to answer in any way shape or form.

Birdofthad wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

Bird are you actually saying the Shah in Iran was good?

Ill take the Shah over the Ayatollah any fucking day, thats not a hard question to answer in any way shape or form.

How about we let Iran deal with their own shit and we leave it all the fuck alone.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

Bird are you actually saying the Shah in Iran was good?

Ill take the Shah over the Ayatollah any fucking day, thats not a hard question to answer in any way shape or form.

How about we let Iran deal with their own shit and we leave it all the fuck alone.

you leave Iran to their own devices and it won't be pretty, thats a stupid way of looking at the global picture and the key reason why Paul hasn't won a state yet.

Birdofthad wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

Bird are you actually saying the Shah in Iran was good?

Ill take the Shah over the Ayatollah any fucking day, thats not a hard question to answer in any way shape or form.

How about we let Iran deal with their own shit and we leave it all the fuck alone.

you leave Iran to their own devices and it won't be pretty, thats a stupid way of looking at the global picture and the key reason why Paul hasn't won a state yet.

Iran is NOT a threat. The US is a threat to Iran. Iran isn't so dumb as to pop one shot off and assure they are wiped into oblivion. What, are they really going to blow up the Muslim holy land? Take one shot at the US and embolden Zionism forever? 911 and the holocaust are exploited enough by Israel and the US already. Don't be retarded dude. Anyway, if we left them alone, they wouldn't worry about us anyway. They're just reacting to our interference.

And I'll take it a step further. If they DID get a working nuke, it might be the best thing for diplomacy and peace in the Mid-East. If an Arab/Muslim nation had the bomb, suddenly we might see Israel and the US calm the hell down with the whole Judeo Christian warcrimes game we play.

Bird do you work for homeland security or CIA? You are damn good at pushing pro-war and anti-civil liberty philosophies. They should recruit you.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

Bird are you actually saying the Shah in Iran was good?

Ill take the Shah over the Ayatollah any fucking day, thats not a hard question to answer in any way shape or form.

How about we let Iran deal with their own shit and we leave it all the fuck alone.

you leave Iran to their own devices and it won't be pretty, thats a stupid way of looking at the global picture and the key reason why Paul hasn't won a state yet.

Iran is NOT a threat. The US is a threat to Iran. Iran isn't so dumb as to pop one shot off and assure they are wiped into oblivion. What, are they really going to blow up the Muslim holy land? Take one shot at the US and embolden Zionism forever? 911 and the holocaust are exploited enough by Israel and the US already. Don't be retarded dude. Anyway, if we left them alone, they wouldn't worry about us anyway. They're just reacting to our interference.

And I'll take it a step further. If they DID get a working nuke, it might be the best thing for diplomacy and peace in the Mid-East. If an Arab/Muslim nation had the bomb, suddenly we might see Israel and the US calm the hell down with the whole Judeo Christian warcrimes game we play.

Heres your problem that you don't get wolf

What war have we had with Iran since the Ayatollah??? Ill be waiting all day. We haven't had one, and guess where we are? They are developing a nuclear weapon, your feeble, narrow minded or short sighted if you don't get that. I understand you dislike the "zionist regime" so you wouldn't mind seeing Israel get hit by a nuclear weapon but that is the threat.
The other threat is they get a nuclear weapon do nothing and then we have a nuclear arms race going on in the middle east because you don't know dick if you don't realize that Saudi Arabia fears the shit out of Iran as do a lot of other countries in the middle east. If Iran gets a nuclear bomb the LAST thing you will have is calm in the middle East. Maybe you can't comprehend that we actually have friends in the middle east that acknowledge the holocaust but they are out there.
We have not attacked Iran since the Ayatollah came to power, the one thing we tried to do was save over 200 american citizens that the Ayatollah allowed to be taken hostage from our USA EMBASSY that the SHAH SUPPORTED. Iran fought a war with Iraq and was happy to see Saddam go. Now they are the nut jobs on the block.
You don't just leave these people alone and trust that they will do nothing.

GO ahead say, war mongered ahhh invader. To bad I haven't said I want to invade Iran or Libya, but the pretext for the Iraq war that everyone agreed with was there was WMDS or material to creat them and there was a link to AQ. There ended up being neither. In Iran, both of them are true. Israel is going to take care of this IMO and the world will be better for it.

oggy420 wrote:

Bird do you work for homeland security or CIA? You are damn good at pushing pro-war and anti-civil liberty philosophies. They should recruit you.

thanks man

let me guess... you support this too?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2115871/The-CIA-wants-spy-TV-Agency-director-says-net-connected-gadgets-transform-surveillance.html

oggy420 wrote:

let me guess... you support this too?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2115871/The-CIA-wants-spy-TV-Agency-director-says-net-connected-gadgets-transform-surveillance.html

want my personal opinion oggy?

they have already been doing it, if history shows us anything we know the government normally does things and then makes it legal after they realize they need to cover there ass.
Kind of like when we tortured Abu Zubadeh and then made it legal a month and a half later, or how we killed Al Awlaki and then made it legal several months later.

Just my hunch.

Notice how we just busted 5 big Anonymous hackers?

Paul wont win any states now. But the Paul revolution isn't going away. I am telling you bird, there will be a third, new party that rises up in the next few years. It will be a cosmopolitan, libertarian leaning party which tolerates a wide variety of people and beliefs, yet also upholds the individual and doesn't try to super impose any ideals beyond freedom onto the macro of the population like liberals do. Like conservatives do. It will be a mix of the disenfranchised from the three fake/hijacked revolutions of the last few years.

Some of the conservative, republican leaning people angry at the huge government, restriction of freedoms, horrible spending and interventionism will be a part of it. It will come from some of the libertarian Tea Party patriots that realized that their movement was quickly co-opted by main line republicanism and neocons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJEbFI03BNA



Some of the liberal, Democratic leaning people pissed off from the wars overseas, the social injustices that the government and businesses profit off of, who want real change, real gay rights, and real freedoms will be a part of it. It will come from some of the Obama Revolution who realized their movement was a fraud, coopted by the same corporate interests Obama claimed to fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6M4IW2jExI



Some of the Occupiers, who understand corporatism and wall street is broken, that realize the other two movements are false and want to make the Occupy movement mean something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OvvzEN2Mag



Are there Tea Partiers, Obama voters and Occupiers who don't understand or hate Ron Paul? Sure there are, many of them. But they weren't real protestors or revolutionaries, they were just people picking a side in THE BROKEN status quo. The ones who thought they were looking for CHANGE will all coagulate with my mans n them.

That is the beauty. His dream, our dream, is so American that it can appeal to people of a wide variety of political, religious and social beliefs. People into Gun Rights. People into Gay Rights.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Paul wont win any states now. But the Paul revolution isn't going away. I am telling you bird, there will be a third, new party that rises up in the next few years. It will be a cosmopolitan, libertarian leaning party which tolerates a wide variety of people and beliefs, yet also upholds the individual and doesn't try to super impose any ideals beyond freedom onto the macro of the population like liberals do. Like conservatives do. It will be a mix of the disenfranchised from the three fake/hijacked revolutions of the last few years.

Some of the conservative, republican leaning people angry at the huge government, restriction of freedoms, horrible spending and interventionism will be a part of it. It will come from some of the libertarian Tea Party patriots that realized that their movement was quickly co-opted by main line republicanism and neocons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJEbFI03BNA



Some of the liberal, Democratic leaning people pissed off from the wars overseas, the social injustices that the government and businesses profit off of, who want real change, real gay rights, and real freedoms will be a part of it. It will come from some of the Obama Revolution who realized their movement was a fraud, coopted by the same corporate interests Obama claimed to fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6M4IW2jExI



Some of the Occupiers, who understand corporatism and wall street is broken, that realize the other two movements are false and want to make the Occupy movement mean something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OvvzEN2Mag



Are there Tea Partiers, Obama voters and Occupiers who don't understand or hate Ron Paul? Sure there are, many of them. But they weren't real protestors or revolutionaries, they were just people picking a side in THE BROKEN status quo. The ones who thought they were looking for CHANGE will all coagulate with my mans n them.

That is the beauty. His dream, our dream, is so American that it can appeal to people of a wide variety of political, religious and social beliefs. People into Gun Rights. People into Gay Rights.

wolf trust me I believe you and agree with you on this , I have been saying for the past year know in 20 years when the 3rd Party rises, Mitt Romney will be professing how this is what he has really been all along, he just couldn't get it right with the Republicans and Democrats. Vote Mitt Romney 3rd Party 2028!!!

trust me dude I dont hate Ron Paul by any means I watch all of the debates and loved when he got on Gingrich for chicken hawking and when he calls Santorum out for being the big fat cat washington person that he is. I have a problem with Ron Paul supporters who don't understand the actual threat that some people pose to us

true words wolf. Ron Paul's message is what brings people together, the establishment is what drives us apart. Divide and Conquer, or come together and thrive. That is the decision, that is the revolution if there is gonna be one. The only problem is that someone needs to take the torch from Ron Paul and im not sure who that is going to be.

Bird how stupid are you? How culturally ignorant are you? Many in the Muslim world view their community as interconnected and one. Our involvement with Palestine and other conflicts over there is seen as an attack on them. We directly assisted Saddam Hussen in the 1980s in a war that lasted what, 9 years? Did you forget that?

Anyway, we have been economically and politically sticking our noses all up in Iran's business even if we weren't a military enemy. We are a proxy for Israel, which has also physically attacked Iran. You're a complete retard. And your personal attacks charging I am anti semite are bogus. The last place I want nuked on the planet is Israel because then there would never ever be an end to the aggression and control of the Zionists and Israeli lobbies. Not only that it would certainly drive tons of dipshit dispensationalist christians deeper into their doomsday prophecy.

Just like I said, you question Israel, our role in the middle east, mention the exploitation or exaggeration of the holocaust and clearly you want Israel destroyed. Right?

oggy420 wrote:

true words wolf. Ron Paul's message is what brings people together, the establishment is what drives us apart. Divide and Conquer, or come together and thrive. That is the decision, that is the revolution if there is gonna be one. The only problem is that someone needs to take the torch from Ron Paul and im not sure who that is going to be.

please take the time and explain to me your problem ver batim, with the FED I am interested.

oggy420 wrote:

true words wolf. Ron Paul's message is what brings people together, the establishment is what drives us apart. Divide and Conquer, or come together and thrive. That is the decision, that is the revolution if there is gonna be one. The only problem is that someone needs to take the torch from Ron Paul and im not sure who that is going to be.

I almost touched on that too.