quick fact sheet on how the US/UK directly cause terrorism and created Saddam, Hezbollah and Al Queda

Kuwait obviously after being an independent nation deserved their borders respected but lets look at this historically.

• Originally, in 1917 Kuwait was basically a fake country drawn by the British to keep access to the port and should have belonged to Iraq back then.

• The UK government is believed to have assassinated an Iraqis second king in order to prevent him from laying claim to Kuwait in the 30s.

• The pro UK/US government of Iraq sold oil to us for next to nothing. When the 1958 revolution came, and Iraqis demanding they get 55%(fifty five, just over half!) the profits of their own oil, the US government directly funded and lead the revolution that lead to the government of Saddam Hussen. We installed his regime!

• We funded him for ten years against Iran and sold him biological weapons.

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  We told him we'd stay out of the dispute with Kuwait and wouldn't even consider sanctions in 1990. Bush tells Saddam he wants only to be friends
  

• So he invades and we smash up the place.

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  1,000 died in the Kuwait invasion he launched. 100,000 civilians die in the coalition battle to reclaim it.
  

• Iraq was attacked for violating the sovereignty of Kuwait, which was part of Basra(south Iraq) for 200 years until 1917. We did not complain when they invaded Iran which they had less claim to. We do not complain over another country going off a 2000 year old claim.
  

• Our invasion of Kuwait, which is in every way ultimately caused by US and UK oil policy, is what caused Osama to declare war against the USA.

• We don't have the decency to finish the invasion, so we starve the Iraqi people for 12 years. Killing at least one million and a half million children under the age of five.

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  Then we decide to use Al-Queda's retaliation strikes against us and our receipts from bio weapon sales from 20 years ago to launch a ten year occupation where a quarter million civilians were killed in violent deaths in armed conflict.

• 1982 Israel violates a UN security counsel resolution banning them from invading Lebanon. Unlike Iraq's violation, we honor our green light given and later veto a second resolution ordering them to stop the invasion.

• Hezbollah forms as a direct result of the 20 invasion which was ruled illegal and involved massacres condoned by Israelis and Marionite Christians of Muslims.

• If we did not veto the security counsel, and had forced Israel to leave Lebanon, Hezbollah would never have formed at all.

• We fund and arm the mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. Factions of this group become The Taliban

• We do not fund the sections of the mujahideen who opposed the Taliban or help them at all until Sept. 2001

• We installed one government in Iran, which much of the world saw as a puppet which fueled the Islamic revolution.

• We supported a horrible ten year war of aggression by Iraq against them.
  

• But we also sold them weapons during that period.

• We invaded countries to both the east and west of Iran, then get shitty with them when they get defensive.

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  We've supported AQ alligned groups and organized car bombings and terrorist attacks against various leaders in the middle east, which have in turned killed civilians.
  

These discussions enrage me. I despise our government. I can see why this country is the Great Satan to half the world. You can blame any of our surviving presidents for 9-11 as much as Osama Bin Ladin, if not more so.

I would gladly turn any of the over for trial in an Iranian or Iraqi court for the crimes they've committed.

your first statement renders reading everything else useless, tell the people of Kuwait that were being slaughtered by Saddam and about to become Northern Iraq in Saddams new Iraq, that Kuwait wasn't a real nation.

Your so retarded its comical.

LMFAO!!! Northern Iraq???? Are you fucking serious!!!! You didn't read what I said. You've obviously never seen a map. Kuwait is south of Iraq Bird....

Kuwait is an independent nation now, but it started as a tool of British colonialism. Do you need a history lesson here too? The country wasn't a real country before the British kept a territory which had been part of Iraq for 200 years after they granted Iraq independence.


1,000 Kuwaiti civilians were killed. 100,000 Iraqis were killed in the coalition counter attack.




^^^ NORTHERN IRAQ HAHAHA

Look at the country, carved out and kept by the British. Iraq had a valid claim at one point. The point is Kuwait was only created so the west could still control that harbor. It wasn't a real nation. It was a small city state type territory in the Basra region of the Ottoman Empire.

http://archive.suite101.com/article.cfm/middle_east/28789
http://www.danielpipes.org/535/kuwait-and-iraq-historical-claims-and-historical-disputes
http://www.expansionistparty.org/Iraq.html
http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/iraqkuwait.html

Bird, do some reading. The country of Kuwait was a British invention that started before the Ottoman empire was even gone. Kuwait's territory was also much smaller back then too. It was a city state founded in 1750 by some people from the central Arabian area, modern day Saudi. They were always a territory in the Basra province of the empire. In the late 1800s England began specific relations with the royals there, laying the ground work for controlling the port and later creating a separate state. This doesn't justify the war, but it does explain why Iraq had laid claimed to it for its entire history. Because it was part of Iraq originally. More examples of the west manipulating and abusing Arabs.

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As the victors of World War I, France and Britain dismantled the Ottoman Empire and the Arab nation for their own colonial purposes. The Iraq Petroleum Company was created in 1920 with 95% of the shares going to Britain, France, and the U.S. In order to weaken Arab nationalism, Britain blocked Iraqi access to the Persian Gulf by severing the territorial entity, "Kuwait" from the rest of Iraq in 1921 and 1922. This new British colony, Kuwait, was given artificial boundaries with no basis in history or geography. King Faisal I of the new Iraqi state ruled under British military oversight, but his administration never accepted the amputation of the Kuwait district and the denial of Iraqi access to the Persian Gulf. Attempts by Faisal to build a railway to Kuwait and port facilities on the Gulf were vetoed by Britain. These and other similar British colonial policies made Kuwait a focus of the Arab national movement in Iraq, and a symbol of Iraqi humiliation at the hands of the British.

Resistance to the British imposed separation of Kuwait from Iraq continued through the 1930s. In 1932, the British Agent in Baghdad forced the Iraqi leadership to enter into "correspondence" on the delimitation of boundaries for British Kuwait, but the Iraqi Chamber of Deputies repudiated these "correspondences." A mass movement of Kuwaiti youth called the "Free Kuwaiti Movement" defied British rule and submitted a petition requesting the Iraqi government to reunify Kuwait and Iraq. Fearing an uprising, the Kuwaiti Sheik agreed to the establishment of a legislative council to represent the "Free Kuwaitis." The first meeting of the council in 1938 resulted in an unanimous resolution demanding that Kuwait revert back to Iraq. That same year, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iraq informed the British Ambassador in Baghdad that:
"The Ottoman-British Agreement of 1913 recognizes Kuwait as a District under the jurisdiction of the Province of Basra. Since sovereignty over Basra has been transferred from the Ottoman state to the Iraqi state, that sovereignty has to include Kuwait under the terms of the 1913 Agreement. Iraq has not recognized any change in the status of Kuwait." (quoted in [1])
A popular uprising within Kuwait to reunify with Iraq erupted on March 10, 1939. The Kuwaiti Sheik, with British military support and "advisers," crushed the uprising, and killed or imprisoned its participants. King Ghazi of Iraq publicly demanded the release of the prisoners and warned the Sheik to end the repression of the Free Kuwaiti Movement. Ghazi ignored warnings by Britain to discontinue such public statements, and on April 5, 1939, he was found dead. It was widely assumed that he was assassinated by British agents. Faisal II was an infant at that time, and Nuri es-Said, a former officer of the Ottoman Army with British loyalties, became the de facto leader of Iraq.

I didn't neg you on this, but thanks whoever did

I said northern, OBVIOUSLY i meant souther, sorry wolf, I honestly go off my brain when I type this stuff, I don't go surfing the net for a blog that makes Hezbollah look good, I thought he invaded the north, he invaded through the south.

It still doesn't dismiss the fact that Saddam Hussein did this and Kuwait has been thankful that we removed Saddam ever since. Yet you are taking a position that Saddam wasn't that bad of a guy because Kuwait was in the south not the north??

Douglas Farah, a journalist and consultant with the NEFA Foundation, a New York-based counterterrorism organization, says Hezbollah helped al-Qaeda traffic its assets through Africa in the form of diamonds and gold shortly after the 9/11 attacks. U.S. and European intelligence reports from that time suggest the two groups were collaborating in such activities as money laundering, gun running, and training. It's not clear whether these past collaborations were isolated incidents or indications of a broader relationship.

Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon describe in their book, The Age of Sacred Terror, a small group of al-Qaeda members visited Hezbollah training camps in Lebanon in the mid-1990s. Shortly thereafter, according to testimony from Ali Mohammed, an Egyptian-born U.S. Army sergeant who later served as one of bin Laden's lieutenants and pled guilty to participating in the 1998 embassy bombings in eastern Africa, Osama bin Laden and Imad Mugniyeh met in Sudan. The two men, who have both topped the FBI's list of most-wanted terrorists, agreed Hezbollah would provide the fledgling al-Qaeda organization with explosives and training in exchange for money and manpower

What does that stuff mean? A few ambiguous and suspect links of some organization has nothing to do with this thread. look at those events. we brought this on ourselves. we created them all.

How could you think he invaded through the north? Not knowing that means you really don't know shit about this stuff...

wolf your list is stuff that happened under Reagan and Bush I don't support the Iraq invasion, we were lied to, they tortured Abu Zubadeh into saying what they wanted and they found "Curve Ball" an Iraqi defector who has admitted to lying and they sold the american public.

69% of the american public thought there was a link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda before the 2003 invasion. We all know what that means = Saddam had a hand in 9-11. We know that that was false then and false now. But Bush presented cherry picked intel. Im not arguing for war on Iraq, but we have spent over 2 trillion there and I want to see a friendly regime, So call it a puppet if you want but I don't call South Korea a puppet, I don't call Germany a puppet. I don't call Saudi Arabia and Isreal a puppet regime.
We have had success and failures, lets hope for a success since were all americans here (Ali and freak I had granted you citizenship)


Your mujahideen thing is great thank you wolf you prove my point.
WE DIDNT WATCH WHERE ANY OF THAT MONEY OR THOSE FIGHTERS WENT THATS ON REAGAN AND BUSH 1.
Its clear, these guys were looking at a middle eastern problem with cold war glasses on.
DOnt you see how our COLD WAR POLICY CAME BACK TO FUCK US IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

1. SADDAM SEIZED POWER AND PURGED HIS OWN PARTY OF ALL OPPOSITION IN 1979 THE USA DID NOT CREATE HIM.
He had been the de facto leader ever since the early 1970's the USA in no way shape or form put Saddam in power or created Saddam. You are factually wrong on this one.

2 SADDAM WAS ALREADY IN THE WAR WITH IRAN WHEN USA REACHED OUT TO HIM
-He invaded in 1980 the Donald Rumsfeld meeting happened Dec. 20, 1983 The meeting
between Rumsfeld and Saddam was consequential: for the next
five years, until Iran finally capitulated, the United States
backed Saddam's armies with military intelligence, economic
aid and covert supplies of munitions.
So just to clear this up. The Iran Iraq war started 1980, America entered the fray right before 1984.

SO WOLFS CLAIM THAT WE FUNDED HIM FOR 10 YEARS - YA FACTUALLY INCORRECT, GO MAKE A SIG ABOUT IT

The history of America's relations with Saddam is one of
the sorrier tales in American foreign policy. Time and again,
America turned a blind eye to Saddam's predations, saw him as
the lesser evil or flinched at the chance to unseat him. No
single policymaker or administration deserves blame for
creating, or at least tolerating, a monster; many of their
decisions seemed reasonable at the time. Even so, there are
moments in this clumsy dance with the Devil that make one
cringe. It is hard to believe that, during most of the 1980s,
America knowingly permitted the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
to import bacterial cultures that might be used to build
biological weapons.
from congressional record

3. USA DID NOT CREATE AL QAEDA
- so because we funded 60,000 fighters in Afghanistan and 100 of them went off at the tale end of the war and organized a group in 1988, you think that means the USA created Al Qaeda, damn man thats a reach. Abdullah Azzam and Osama Bin Laden formed the basic structure of Al Qaeda in 1988, Bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri merged Bin Ladens AQ and Zawahiri's Egyptian Islamic Jihad and issued their joint fatwa in 1996.

AMERICA DID NOT CREATE THE MUJAHIDEEN AND WE DID NOT CREATE AL QAEDA, we funded the mujahideen

4. We did not give Saddam Hussein to invade and annex Kuwait. We thought he was saber rattling to get Kuwait to forgive his 14 billion dollar debt for the Iran Iraq War. Once it was clear what Saddam was doing, ya know after he invaded and declared Kuwait the 19th Providence of Iraq, we set in motion with numerous other middle eastern countries, because they all saw what was coming. Dessert Storm was about freeing Kuwait from Saddam.
WOLF HALF THE POPULATION OF KUWAIT FLED WHEN IRAQ INVADED.

Bird do you seriously believe the first gulf war was about freeing the people of Kuwait? It was about protecting Kuwait as an oil and trade sanctuary. If Kuwait was not a tiny western created outpost, we never would have gone in. Kuwait was an anglo-invention. Read the history of the country. People get invaded and annexed all the time. All these wars were over Oil. The baath party including Saddam was installed by the US and CIA. This is all public record. Our history of fucking over Iraq and middle eastern people is 100 years old. Nothing we have done has been morally right. Look up all my info. Go. Learn.

wolf I have stated 5 facts that you wrongly claimed


care to address them?

Youre hair splitting on the exact length of the war with Iran, or when we started funding him against Iran. Those points mean nothing. We installed the regime he was apart of, it doesn't matter if he ascended to power we installed the baathists into power. We installed the baath party.

We told Saddam we would stay out of arab on arab beef, and that was a tremendous blunder. it doesnt matter if we supposedly "thought he was sabre rattling".

Anglo American meddling in Iraq lead directly to our invasion and that is what created AQ. You can try to skirt the blame but OIL WARS and constant government meddling committed by Christian Whites are what lead directly to AQ's formation. We brought the towers down. We did it. Its on us.

Its cold war policy, its imperial policy. Its all of it.