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Ron Paul voted initially to go into Afghanistan to get Osama, that is it.

Ron Paul supports our veterans, Obama cuts their health benefits. Go ahead and defend that. Then defend how military suicides are at an all time high right now and soldiers are snapping and killing innocent civilians.

Seriously, just be honest and say it. You would rather listen to bureaucrats who make money off these wars than the brave young men and women who have to go over there and fight. The fat cats in Washington controlling the military industrial complex make money off of arms deals and military contractors. While the soldiers who take these ridiculous orders and serve term after term get sacrificed in the desert, then get their health benefits cut when they get home all fucked up from the war, and then ignorant morons vote for more wars and tell them they have to go back and fight more.

So take your stance, thats fine. But Ron Paul is not wrong, the troops are not wrong, the establishment is. When the GOP elects Romney in Tampa, they'll be slapping all the active duty and veterans marching in the streets for ron paul outside the conference in the face.
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Are you referring to UBC being siezed? Because the Union Banking Corporation was a German owned (Thyssen family) and Prescotts dealings with Fritz Thyssen pre-date the war itself by quite a bit. Let's not forget that British parties were also involved in all this through the Brown Brothers firm. However this is a topic hotly debated and these days the evidence is so old and hard to find(most files were sealed or destroyed pertaining to the investigation) that it's pretty much a matter of opinion.

Germany was using synfuel for their planes and tanks. They actually pioneered the process of extracting liquid fuel from coal and thats why it's called "Nazi Fuel". They developed this fuel in 1913-1914. The only reason they were reaching out for fuel reserves was because they were running out due to the several operations allied troops took part in bombing the supplier factories.

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Are you referring to UBC being siezed? Because the Union Banking Corporation was a German owned (Thyssen family) and Prescotts dealings with Fritz Thyssen pre-date the war itself by quite a bit. Let's not forget that British parties were also involved in all this through the Brown Brothers firm. However this is a topic hotly debated and these days the evidence is so old and hard to find(most files were sealed or destroyed pertaining to the investigation) that it's pretty much a matter of opinion.

Germany was using synfuel for their planes and tanks. They actually pioneered the process of extracting liquid fuel from coal and thats why it's called "Nazi Fuel". They developed this fuel in 1913-1914. The only reason they were reaching out for fuel reserves was because they were running out due to the several operations allied troops took part in bombing the supplier factories.

my friend, that is what we call a cover up.
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lol special interests that still have say in the establishment here supported nazi germany look up prescott bush getting busted at the nyc bank for nazi money laundering , look up how nazi war planes couldn't operates with fuel additive from JD Rockefeller's US standard oil. Yea, but only the muslims are evil.

Know anything about the carlyle group?
And we did fund Osama and his "freedom fighter" before they became our enemy.

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SO how many jewish people did Prescott Bushs brigade kill?
Dude look up Bin Laden in Afghanistan Soviet war, he was a funder not a fighter. Massoud, Khan, Hekkmatyar, Haqqani, Dostum and Fahim where the people leading the actual Mujihadeen armies.

We gave our money to Pakistan, they gave the money to our allies and they cherry picked with Gulbuddin Hekkmatyar thats the man that received most of the money, time for you to stop lying and saying we created Al Qaeda, it proves your ignorance of the Afghanistan Soviet war

To date, there is no evidence pointing to American governmental assistance in the physical establishment of al-Qa’ida, whether financially, operationally, or logistically. Rather, according to the US State Department, Arab militants1 involved in the Soviet-Afghan War “functioned independently and had their own sources of funding.” 2 The cornerstone of the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) involvement in the war was carried out by a decade-long, covert relationship with Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Agency (ISI), and the Saudi General Intelligence Directorate (GID). 3 The covert relationship was initiated to assist the indigenous Afghan Mujahideen,not the Arab militants, in defeating the Soviets on what would be the last hot battlefield of the Cold War. When the Arab militants began creating al-Qa’ida in Pakistan, it was diminutive and disjointed. Further, the group was of little consequence to the larger actors in Afghanistan’s theatre of war. Additionally, the Arab militants were receiving vast amounts of capital from numerous foreign Arab Muslim sponsors. As such, there was no reason to suspect that the CIA would support, let alone benefit from, such an embryonic and disorganized group

http://www.global-politics.co.uk/issue6/Stahl/

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Are you referring to UBC being siezed? Because the Union Banking Corporation was a German owned (Thyssen family) and Prescotts dealings with Fritz Thyssen pre-date the war itself by quite a bit. Let's not forget that British parties were also involved in all this through the Brown Brothers firm. However this is a topic hotly debated and these days the evidence is so old and hard to find(most files were sealed or destroyed pertaining to the investigation) that it's pretty much a matter of opinion.

Germany was using synfuel for their planes and tanks. They actually pioneered the process of extracting liquid fuel from coal and thats why it's called "Nazi Fuel". They developed this fuel in 1913-1914. The only reason they were reaching out for fuel reserves was because they were running out due to the several operations allied troops took part in bombing the supplier factories.

my friend, that is what we call a cover up.

Call it what you want. I personally chalk it up to something a bit less sinister. You have you realize that most of this went down prior to Hitler assuming power in Germany, and long before the war. Before it actually happened who would have thought someone would perpetrate genocide in the 1930s in a civilized country?

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Ron Paul voted initially to go into Afghanistan to get Osama, that is it.

Ron Paul supports our veterans, Obama cuts their health benefits. Go ahead and defend that. Then defend how military suicides are at an all time high right now and soldiers are snapping and killing innocent civilians.

Seriously, just be honest and say it. You would rather listen to bureaucrats who make money off these wars than the brave young men and women who have to go over there and fight. The fat cats in Washington controlling the military industrial complex make money off of arms deals and military contractors. While the soldiers who take these ridiculous orders and serve term after term get sacrificed in the desert, then get their health benefits cut when they get home all fucked up from the war, and then ignorant morons vote for more wars and tell them they have to go back and fight more.

So take your stance, thats fine. But Ron Paul is not wrong, the troops are not wrong, the establishment is. When the GOP elects Romney in Tampa, they'll be slapping all the active duty and veterans marching in the streets for ron paul outside the conference in the face.

wrong again

he went on record about removing Taliban as well



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you can't deny the US has a long history of propping up it's enemies
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Thats what happens when your a world power with a history of industry and the finance to be involved in world commerce. Eventually you'll find an enemy or two along the way.

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oggy420 wrote:
Ron Paul voted initially to go into Afghanistan to get Osama, that is it.

Ron Paul supports our veterans, Obama cuts their health benefits. Go ahead and defend that. Then defend how military suicides are at an all time high right now and soldiers are snapping and killing innocent civilians.

Seriously, just be honest and say it. You would rather listen to bureaucrats who make money off these wars than the brave young men and women who have to go over there and fight. The fat cats in Washington controlling the military industrial complex make money off of arms deals and military contractors. While the soldiers who take these ridiculous orders and serve term after term get sacrificed in the desert, then get their health benefits cut when they get home all fucked up from the war, and then ignorant morons vote for more wars and tell them they have to go back and fight more.

So take your stance, thats fine. But Ron Paul is not wrong, the troops are not wrong, the establishment is. When the GOP elects Romney in Tampa, they'll be slapping all the active duty and veterans marching in the streets for ron paul outside the conference in the face.

wrong again

he went on record about removing Taliban as well



umm Ron paul has been saying leave Afghanistan for years...
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Thats what happens when your a world power with a history of industry and the finance to be involved in world commerce. Eventually you'll find an enemy or two along the way.

lol that is completely naive. That is what happens when you have a corrupt establishment being controlled by the military industrial complex and special interests.
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So your saying that the establishment in this country has been increasingly corrupt the country over for the better part of the last 90 years... Shouldn't we be living in hovels and eating no more than three times a week by now?

Don't forget that america hadn't initially intended to get involved in the war. For the first few years we were content to simply provide trade and materials to Britain, the Soviet Union, and China. It wasn't until the information on Pearl Harbor and subsequent attacks/declaration of war against us by Japan and Germany/Italy that we officially joined the war.

There's nothing naive about not crucifying people we're not warring with.

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ludo did you support the iraq war? vietnam?
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/story/2012-01-19/army-suicide-rates/52673690/1

They just started coming back down.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/04/military_veterans_suicide_042210w/

Suicide is still at all time highs since the start of the Iraq and Afghan wars. And july 2011 was a record month for army suicide so those better numbers you posted don't even include the entire military, or veterans. To act like this is something to just shrug at is disgusting if you ask me. Our veterans and soldiers need help and they aren't getting it from this government.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/story/2012-01-19/army-suicide-rates/52673690/1

They just started coming back down.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/04/military_veterans_suicide_042210w/

Suicide is still at all time highs since the start of the Iraq and Afghan wars. And july 2011 was a record month for army suicide so those better numbers you posted don't even include the entire military, or veterans. To act like this is something to just shrug at is disgusting if you ask me. Our veterans and soldiers need help and they aren't getting it from this government.

Your link is two years old. Wanna find something current?

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32 active duty army soldiers killed themselves last july alone

is that not enough for you?
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So you don't have a current link? That's all you had to say.

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current link for what? Soldiers are still killing themselves, that is a fact. Whether it's 10 this month or 50 is all you care about? You posted a link saying it got better last year, except you forgot to mention that the record high in a month also occurred during last year.
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Well you said it's at an all time high. I'm asking for a link to support that. I'm not disputing the fact that it very well may be the case, I admittedly haven't kept up on that, but if you can't provide factual evidence rather than anecdotal evidence then that's all it is.

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Ron Paul voted initially to go into Afghanistan to get Osama, that is it.

Ron Paul supports our veterans, Obama cuts their health benefits. Go ahead and defend that. Then defend how military suicides are at an all time high right now and soldiers are snapping and killing innocent civilians.

Seriously, just be honest and say it. You would rather listen to bureaucrats who make money off these wars than the brave young men and women who have to go over there and fight. The fat cats in Washington controlling the military industrial complex make money off of arms deals and military contractors. While the soldiers who take these ridiculous orders and serve term after term get sacrificed in the desert, then get their health benefits cut when they get home all fucked up from the war, and then ignorant morons vote for more wars and tell them they have to go back and fight more.

So take your stance, thats fine. But Ron Paul is not wrong, the troops are not wrong, the establishment is. When the GOP elects Romney in Tampa, they'll be slapping all the active duty and veterans marching in the streets for ron paul outside the conference in the face.

wrong again

he went on record about removing Taliban as well



umm Ron paul has been saying leave Afghanistan for years...


Still doesn't change the fact that you were wrong when you stated it was only about Bin Laden

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oggy americans have bee discussing shell shock and Combat PTS in america since the Civil War.
So in this topic you've changed the topic of argument 4 times and now the argument is get out of war because soldiers commit suicide? Im sorry but thats just weird. you are using their tragedy to justify your personal beliefs. We do not have a draft.

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My grandpa was jewish. You can have an opinion freak. considering your MMA opinions are utterly worthless maybe these counter balance them.

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The whole problem started with Palestinians being taken out of their own land and it being given to the Jews. What else would you expect to happen? The Arabs only started hating the U.S when you guys started supporting and backing up Israel. I guarantee if you guys had nothing to do with Israel then the Muslims would have no problem at all with the U.S.

Oh how wrong you were...

Ludo, I find it implausible you're into the outskirts of even the commercial extreme metal scene and still don't accept this basic fact. The US support for Israel is a significant reason. But also our support for the Saudi dictatorship and other involvement in sectarian conflicts to protect the oil over there. There is oil all over the world. Facilitating and committing arab genocides will piss off arabs. Basic shit here. Getting involved in religious wars will piss off anyone. Basic shit here.
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actually im supporting their beliefs, while you are shiting on them. Look who active duty and veterans support the most. Several hundred marched on the white house on president's day ....for Ron Paul. That got no main stream coverage. Look at the donations. while Obama and Romney are funded by corrupt mega banks like Goldman Sachs, Ron Paul's top 3 donors are Army, Navy, and Air Force. Ron Paul gets more donations from military than all the other candidates combined, and he is the only veteran. So fuck you, im not using the suicides of soldiers that you don't care about sending off to their death to fight some never ending war against the evil muslims, to prove my beliefs. Im unfortunately the only patriot here apparently willing to, you know, that whole cliche "support our troops".

and please show me where Ron Paul said he wanted to go after the Taliban, seriously i'd like to see that because i've never heard him say that before. Quite the opposite actually.
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Birdofthad wrote:
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Bird this is what you fail and will fail to understand. Bombing them etc will NEVER defeat them. this war cannot be won. as long as we have bases in saudi arabia protecting their corrupt royal family, support brutal failed states like yemen, and stay involved with sectarian islamic violence and islam vs jewish violence, there will never be an end to terrorism, ever. it will NEVER happen


ya your right wolf we shouldn't be friends with our allies. We should just listen to nut jobs that hate us.

that will never happen

I AM NOT CALLING FOR AN END TO TERRORISM I AM CALLING FOR AN END TO THE NETWORK THAT WE KNOW CARRIED OUT THE BIGGEST TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOIL.

You're stupid as fuck. Ludo has an excuse, he is clearly uneducated in any of this and just debating to debate for the sake of, but you should know better. We support corruption, genocide, oppression and warcrimes when it serves the interest of multinational corporations that run the oil market, the Jewish state, and the multinational corporations in league with the Jewish state. There is zero moral reason to support these people or get involved in their conflicts. Our involvement in the first place is what caused terrorism. Where were the terrorists before 1948?

I'd respect you more if you didn't use the bogus humanitarian rational. Just say it. You value Israel more than other countries to the point you're will to fight their battles and excuse their warcrimes. You value the brutal Saudi regime to the point you'll excuse their war crimes, humanitarian violations, undemocratic monarchy. These people are worth more to you than the others. Why are they worth more when they're morally no different?
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