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GDPofDRC Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:09 pm | |
| $2,500 seems low but there is some collateral damage from sponsors and appearances I'd bet. The year suspension is big though. | |
| | | Wolfgangsta Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:10 pm | |
| this whole thing is bizarre. | |
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:11 pm | |
| - GDPofDRC wrote:
- $2,500 seems low but there is some collateral damage from sponsors and appearances I'd bet. The year suspension is big though.
You're right, failing the test will do tremendous damage to his image and marketability, but $2,500 seems an awfully low fine. |
| | | Wolfgangsta Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:18 pm | |
| He's going to lose a million dollars over this I read between endorsements, the upcoming fight purse, his fine and legal process. | |
| | | GDPofDRC Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:59 pm | |
| I don't see how Sonnen can appeal if he stated to the CSAC's director on the day of testing that he had been taking testosterone and was likely going to fail the test. | |
| | | Andrew the Raider King Red Belt
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:24 pm | |
| If he has a doctors note he will be ok? Well whatever. | |
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:26 pm | |
| - Andrew the Raider King wrote:
- If he has a doctors note he will be ok? Well whatever.
Bones and Kirk think he'll be ok. |
| | | Birdofthad Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:28 pm | |
| hahah Ali giving AJaks some love haha | |
| | | GDPofDRC Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:29 pm | |
| Doctors note could of cleared the way for an exemption had it been found that testosterone was a necessary treatment by CSAC physicians. | |
| | | Wolfgangsta Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:47 pm | |
| If it's ruled he was using it for a valid reason maybe they'll shorten suspension? | |
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:48 pm | |
| Unless Sonnen has a history of low testosterone levels I don't see him getting out of this. |
| | | OU Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:22 pm | |
| Sonnen to appeal http://www.mmamania.com/2010/9/21/1702097/chael-sonnen-to-appeal-failedFrom Sonnen's manager Mike Roberts, via MMA Fighting: "It is our policy not to comment on pending actions by the Athletic Commission. Chael is consulting with his legal advisors and physicians and will have a statement in the near future. Chael will file an appeal with the CSAC and looks forward to working with the Commission to resolve this matter." | |
| | | GDPofDRC Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:57 pm | |
| Seems like the best way to keep the publicity blood pumping. Vehemently deny any wrong doing, pay some doctors to back you, drag this thing around in court on tv shows, anywhere, as long as he can and snake charm a bunch of people into eating it, all while swearing on what is sacred to the masses willing to listen(4 U) that he is innocent and is a victim of wrong doing by everyone else. My guess anyways, I'm an admitted hater.
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| | | Andrew the Raider King Red Belt
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:16 pm | |
| - GDPofDRC wrote:
- Seems like the best way to keep the publicity blood pumping. Vehemently deny any wrong doing, pay some doctors to back you, drag this thing around in court on tv shows, anywhere, as long as he can and snake charm a bunch of people into eating it, all while swearing on the American god he is innocent and is a victim of wrong doing by everyone else. My guess anyways, I'm an admitted hater.
WTF? Excuse me, which one is the "American God"? The Almighty dollar? | |
| | | GDPofDRC Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:17 pm | |
| What ever will get the most fish to bite. | |
| | | OU Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:47 pm | |
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| | | GDPofDRC Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:10 pm | |
| Dig the classic av. That was a good old fight. | |
| | | LTFG Brown Belt
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:11 pm | |
| I can't wait... Whatever line of BS he has locked and loaded for MMA Live will surely make his ramblings on Lance Armstrong seem rational... | |
| | | GDPofDRC Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:14 pm | |
| Will turn the CC on my tv for it lol. | |
| | | Andrew the Raider King Red Belt
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:43 pm | |
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| | | GDPofDRC Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:03 pm | |
| Dodd clarifies the appeal process http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/09/21/csacs-dodd-says-sonnen-will-get-chance-to-explain-elevated-test/Should Chael Sonnen file an appeal with the California State Athletic Commission as his manager Mike Roberts indicated he would, he'll have his chance to explain why his post-fight drug test at UFC 117 showed elevated levels of testosterone. But that explanation may or may not be enough to placate the commission after the fact, said CSAC executive officer George Dodd. Dodd told MMA Fighting on Tuesday that fighters are instructed to provide documentation explaining what substances they're taking and why before the fight, but couldn't say what might happen to Sonnen if he provides that documentation at a forthcoming appeal hearing. "I can't speak for the commission as far as what they would do if someone came in afterwards," Dodd said. "I will say that usually when a fighter calls me up and says, 'Hey, I'm going to be fighting in California and this is what I'm taking,' I inform them right off the bat to get all the necessary documentation from the doctor and why you're taking it and they provide that to us. We send that to one of our doctors and they verify that that is a reason why and that is a proper treatment for that type of problem, and we usually don't have any problems after that." Dodd also confirmed that Sonnen personally told him before the bout that he was taking "something," but said Sonnen didn't provide an explanation for why he was taking it. Dodd couldn't recall whether Sonnen told him what that something was. "He told me that he was taking something and I informed my inspector to get with him and make sure we mark it down on our sheet that we use for drug testing, and then we moved forward with the drug testing," Dodd said. "I don't recall if he actually informed me what he was taking. ...I don't recall if he did or didn't. He might've, but we were doing a lot of drug testing that night. He may have." Regardless, Dodd said that under the California regulations he could not have stopped Sonnen from fighting even after hearing beforehand that the fighter may be using a performance-enhancing substance. While allowing a fighter to compete with a performance-enhancing substance in his system does seem to pose a risk to his opponent, Dodd acknowledged, there's no rule that allows for pre-emptive action without a positive drug test. "You always have that concern, as far as the safety of the fighters and stuff. But the rules that we have here in California...says that we have to have an actual positive drug test from a laboratory before we can take any action. The question would have been, say he did tell me and his levels were normal. So you have to wait until the levels come back before you can take any action. You may not have any safety issue with the other fighter and you're damaging this guy's career." Dodd added that he didn't "want anybody to jump to the conclusion that [Sonnen's] already guilty," following the positive drug test, though he also said that if Sonnen chooses to take no action the test will stand as an admission of guilt, and the fine and suspension will be carried out accordingly. "But let him provide that documentation to the commission and let the commission make that determination if what he did warrants the suspension and the fine," Dodd said. "I would hope there's a reason why Chael was taking what he was taking and the commission will take that into account as far as what they're looking at for him." Dodd said the letter informing Sonnen of his positive test was sent on September 16, and Sonnen has 30 days from that date to appeal. Should Sonnen file that appeal, his hearing will take place at the next commission meeting, which is scheduled for December 2 in Sacramento. When asked about California's somewhat spotty history with drug test appeals – fighters such as Josh Barnett, Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva, and Sean Sherk all came away unsatisfied with their respective days in court after appealing positive test results – Dodd, who became the CSAC executive officer in February of 2010, said the appeals process is as fair and as transparent as possible. "I don't think there's any more fair thing we can do than have it in an open meeting. We don't do it behind closed doors; it's all done in the open. I think with Josh there was a misunderstanding between him and his lawyers – again, I wasn't here. But it says you have to appear before the commission. They're going to want to ask you questions. That's what I would say to Chael, is make sure you come. This is your hearing, not your lawyer's hearing. They're going to want to ask questions of you. I don't think anything needs to be changed because we do it in the open." Lol, I need to back off this story till Friday. I'm annoying myself with it. | |
| | | Wolfgangsta Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:01 pm | |
| Something tells me this is all going to go away and Sonnen will end up not being in much trouble. | |
| | | OU Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:07 pm | |
| - Wolfgangsta wrote:
- Something tells me this is all going to go away and Sonnen will end up not being in much trouble.
That "something" is called denial. | |
| | | bobbitt15 Gold Belt
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:14 pm | |
| - Wolfgangsta wrote:
- Something tells me this is all going to go away and Sonnen will end up not being in much trouble.
+1 | |
| | | Wolfgangsta Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Chael Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:30 pm | |
| That something is the fact the CSAC has essentially already started the exoneration process. | |
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