SF HW Title not on the line in tourney

Ludo wrote:

Yes it was more of a mistake by Fedor but the fact remains nothing about it was lucky. Fedor made a bad decision to follow Werdum to the ground in the way he did but nothing, and I mean nothing, about what went on there was a total shocker other than the quickness in which it occurred. Before the fight all we heard was how Fedor had the striking advantage and was a much more well rounded fighter, but I don't remember anyone ruling out the possibility that Werdum could submit Fedor if given the opportunity.

Fedor benefited from a poor decision by AA just 2 fights prior. Part of the game.

Have to give credit to the victor.

OU wrote:

Looks like the SF belt isn't going to be on the line for a long, long time.

If you think about it, it will be close to 2 years between the last title defense against Rogers, May 10, and the next one for whoever wins the tourney. The tourney starts in Feb and they said it will take 8 months to complete. Add time off for the winner to recover and train and your looking at Feb of 12 at the earliest for the next title defense.

Perhaps they should have left Overeem and Werdum out of the tourney and to fight for the title this summer. Winner of the tourney meets winner of Reem vs Werdum.

captain organic wrote:

Ludo wrote:

Yes it was more of a mistake by Fedor but the fact remains nothing about it was lucky. Fedor made a bad decision to follow Werdum to the ground in the way he did but nothing, and I mean nothing, about what went on there was a total shocker other than the quickness in which it occurred. Before the fight all we heard was how Fedor had the striking advantage and was a much more well rounded fighter, but I don't remember anyone ruling out the possibility that Werdum could submit Fedor if given the opportunity.

Fedor benefited from a poor decision by AA just 2 fights prior. Part of the game.

Have to give credit to the victor.

That is correct. I don't think Werdum would win a rematch with Fedor by any means other than replicating what he did last time. But he wasn't lucky in submitting someone while he was the superior grappler by far.

Primetyme199 wrote:

OU wrote:

Looks like the SF belt isn't going to be on the line for a long, long time.

If you think about it, it will be close to 2 years between the last title defense against Rogers, May 10, and the next one for whoever wins the tourney. The tourney starts in Feb and they said it will take 8 months to complete. Add time off for the winner to recover and train and your looking at Feb of 12 at the earliest for the next title defense.

Perhaps they should have left Overeem and Werdum out of the tourney and to fight for the title this summer. Winner of the tourney meets winner of Reem vs Werdum.

Leaving their highest ranked guys out made no sense. Overeem wanted in the tournament. If Overeem is actively fighting in Strikeforce over the course of the tournament this really doesn't hurt anyone or anything. As if the SF title has a lot of prestige or anything...

Anyway, this makes more fights for SF once the tournament concludes. Brilliant planning.

I actually think it does make sense to have their champion defend the belt more then once every 2-3 years.

Your right about it not having alot of prestige and this type of thing is the reason why. Strikeforce is demeaning their own title. Don't get me wrong I think the fights are great and can't wait to see them but they should have let Werdum fight Reem for the title while this was going on. You'd still get all fights once the tourney concludes.

Ludo wrote:

Yes it was more of a mistake by Fedor but the fact remains nothing about it was lucky. Fedor made a bad decision to follow Werdum to the ground in the way he did but nothing, and I mean nothing, about what went on there was a total shocker other than the quickness in which it occurred. Before the fight all we heard was how Fedor had the striking advantage and was a much more well rounded fighter, but I don't remember anyone ruling out the possibility that Werdum could submit Fedor if given the opportunity.

A lot of people were ruling out Werdum submitting Fedor if it went to the ground because people were under the impression that since Fedor was able to hang out in Big Nog's guard throwing big punches and fighting off sub attempts that he would do it to Werdum as well. Most of those people are unaware of the quality difference between Werdum BJJ and Nogueira BJJ. That said, i thought Fedor would have been able to have a fight with Werdum where it goes to the ground a little and not get worked because Fedor knows what he's doing on the mat, but i didnt think he would be able to do to Werdum what he did to Nog. I remember i was getting all sorts of PM's on Sherdog blasting me because i said Werdum has a better BJJ game then Nog and if it spends as much time on the mat as those fights did, Fedor is playing with fire.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/1/18/1941732/strikeforce-heavyweight-tournament-lineal-title-at-stake-on-showtime
"Last week, Strikeforce announced that their heavyweight title would not be up for grabs in their upcoming heavyweight tournament. That's certainly their choice. But some titles are bigger than any promotion. The Strikeforce title may not be at stake this year, but MMA's lineal heavyweight championship certainly will be. Over the next few days we'll chase the history of this mythical title, one bigger than any promotional entity, one that transcends nation states or lines on a map."

Yall see Coker make his predictions and had either Reem vs Barnett or Werdum vs Barnett in the Finals?

LA wrote:

Yall see Coker make his predictions and had either Reem vs Barnett or Werdum vs Barnett in the Finals?

Yeah I saw that. He predicts that winner of Reem-Werdum will beat Fedor. Barnett coming out of the other side is no surprise at all.

Just the exclusion of Fedor was noteworthy, you're Co-Proing due to the guy, at least show him some love.

LA wrote:

Just the exclusion of Fedor was noteworthy, you're Co-Proing due to the guy, at least show him some love.

Those are his current Champions. Werdum the lineal Champion(accept it) and Reem his SF Champion. So I'm not too shocked he picked either the last guy who Fedor fought and lost to and the current Champion(Reem) over Fedor. Not too surprised.

So much I want to say here, but I'll just leave it alone.

LA wrote:

So much I want to say here, but I'll just leave it alone.

know the lineal title, accept the lineal title, become one with the lineal title.

By the way nice looks on that GDP

OU wrote:

Not scared to throw Dana under the bus.

dana white actually likes the HW tourney SF is putting up, but still manages to put them down lol