Prime Lennox Lewis vs Prime Rocky Marciano

Ok first off I only read the first two pages of this thread. Secondly everyone who thinks LL stands a chance in there with Marciano is retarded.

Marciano hit harder than anyone that LL ever faced. He also had the best chin in the history of the sport. His endurance was unbelievable. Last thing for sure is he would eventually get to LL's weak ass chin and KO him. Do people really not remember Oliver and Hasim taking his head off. The guy was KO'd twice in his prime by bums. What a joke.

Comparing fighters across eras like this is damn near impossible. That said, Lennox is WAY too big for Rocky and he's also faster and more athletic. Lennox should win this, but clearly you can't discount the skills and determination of Rocky.

In the end I think the size difference is just too much, Lennox wins this 6 times out of 10.

soonermark890 wrote:

Ok first off I only read the first two pages of this thread. Secondly everyone who thinks LL stands a chance in there with Marciano is retarded.

Marciano hit harder than anyone that LL ever faced. He also had the best chin in the history of the sport. His endurance was unbelievable. Last thing for sure is he would eventually get to LL's weak ass chin and KO him. Do people really not remember Oliver and Hasim taking his head off. The guy was KO'd twice in his prime by bums. What a joke.

I asked if both fought at their best. Lewis wasn't at his best in those 2 losses.

realy.lewis was at his best.i see you lose your not at your best..only if you win.mccall maybe could of repeated that win if temporary mental illness didnt strike him that night..lewis still was extra cautious while mccal hands down standing there was crying in the ring and doing other weird things except fighting..and lewis STILL didnt deck or ko him....why doesnt lewis then destroy joe louis.hes got all the height weight reach advantages that everyone thinks is important...ditto for ali.
bo hop lol crushes greb..that statement says indirectly bo hop is the greatest middle of all time plus the greatest fighter ever....marble pac dont stay with armstrong .theres no 15 lb weight advantage..do they fight at 126 or 135..or 140...if its at 147 then hank comes in at 142 or so pac at 144 i think..fight nite..pac will do well for a while indeed but his weakness for body shots hmmmm..well at welter the other weights he gets crushed based on how he performed at 126 135 in the past...lets see mickey walker at 147 against any modern fighter of today..does anyone get past 10 rounds...look yes today indeed has several terrific fighters that would be competitive in any era but to a certain degree..how many are complete type of fighters..who are maSTERS OF THE FEIGHT..WHO HAS MASTERED CONTROLLING THE CENTER OF THE RING BY FIGHTING IN A ARCH..WHO MASTERS A SEVERAL PUNCH COMBINATION.HOW MANY HAVE FOUGHT IN REALITY THE WHOS WHO IN BOXING....THAT must BE A COMBINATION THAT A FIGHTER SHOULD HAVE IN SOMEWHAT BASIC COMPLETNESS..ADD LEVERAGE TO PUNCHING TO THAT LIST..ETC ETC..sorry for caps hit the wrong button..and finaly..balance..real solid balance with there movement and footwork....what do you look for or watch when a guy fights..how many along with that combo have great finishing skills...great boxing-fighting is a art..a total art....
lets see bohop crushes haRRY GREB...IF YOU LOOK AT WHO GREB FOUGHT IN JUST one year 1919 as marble and i pointed out several times you would never make a statement like that...in that one year he acomplished more then mosley floyd bo hop jones jr and yes manny pac have done in there entire career...think about why hes a best of the best greatest of the greatest type of fighter..bo hop jones floyd many pac and others on the list yes are great fighters indeed..just at a lower tier or 2 or 3 of greatness..please no excuses ranging from numbers 117-526 etc etc..exaime how does a guy who fought little competion and throws 20 punches a round beat a guy who fougfht a entire career of the whos who in boxing and throws 125 punches a round..how does bo hop crush harry greb..lol surely by not roughing him up..

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Ok first off I only read the first two pages of this thread. Secondly everyone who thinks LL stands a chance in there with Marciano is retarded.

Marciano hit harder than anyone that LL ever faced. He also had the best chin in the history of the sport. His endurance was unbelievable. Last thing for sure is he would eventually get to LL's weak ass chin and KO him. Do people really not remember Oliver and Hasim taking his head off. The guy was KO'd twice in his prime by bums. What a joke.

I asked if both fought at their best. Lewis wasn't at his best in those 2 losses.

So at his best his chin got better? Are you saying that marciano an expert in getting inside could not hit Lewis? Lewis would need head gear to have a chance at Marciano.

dmar5143 wrote:

realy.lewis was at his best.i see you lose your not at your best..only if you win.mccall maybe could of repeated that win if temporary mental illness didnt strike him that night..lewis still was extra cautious while mccal hands down standing there was crying in the ring and doing other weird things except fighting..and lewis STILL didnt deck or ko him....why doesnt lewis then destroy joe louis.hes got all the height weight reach advantages that everyone thinks is important...ditto for ali.
bo hop lol crushes greb..that statement says indirectly bo hop is the greatest middle of all time plus the greatest fighter ever....marble pac dont stay with armstrong .theres no 15 lb weight advantage..do they fight at 126 or 135..or 140...if its at 147 then hank comes in at 142 or so pac at 144 i think..fight nite..pac will do well for a while indeed but his weakness for body shots hmmmm..well at welter the other weights he gets crushed based on how he performed at 126 135 in the past...lets see mickey walker at 147 against any modern fighter of today..does anyone get past 10 rounds...look yes today indeed has several terrific fighters that would be competitive in any era but to a certain degree..how many are complete type of fighters..who are maSTERS OF THE FEIGHT..WHO HAS MASTERED CONTROLLING THE CENTER OF THE RING BY FIGHTING IN A ARCH..WHO MASTERS A SEVERAL PUNCH COMBINATION.HOW MANY HAVE FOUGHT IN REALITY THE WHOS WHO IN BOXING....THAT must BE A COMBINATION THAT A FIGHTER SHOULD HAVE IN SOMEWHAT BASIC COMPLETNESS..ADD LEVERAGE TO PUNCHING TO THAT LIST..ETC ETC..sorry for caps hit the wrong button..and finaly..balance..real solid balance with there movement and footwork....what do you look for or watch when a guy fights..how many along with that combo have great finishing skills...great boxing-fighting is a art..a total art....
lets see bohop crushes haRRY GREB...IF YOU LOOK AT WHO GREB FOUGHT IN JUST one year 1919 as marble and i pointed out several times you would never make a statement like that...in that one year he acomplished more then mosley floyd bo hop jones jr and yes manny pac have done in there entire career...think about why hes a best of the best greatest of the greatest type of fighter..bo hop jones floyd many pac and others on the list yes are great fighters indeed..just at a lower tier or 2 or 3 of greatness..please no excuses ranging from numbers 117-526 etc etc..exaime how does a guy who fought little competion and throws 20 punches a round beat a guy who fougfht a entire career of the whos who in boxing and throws 125 punches a round..how does bo hop crush harry greb..lol surely by not roughing him up..

This is why I love Dmar.

soonermark890 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:

realy.lewis was at his best.i see you lose your not at your best..only if you win.mccall maybe could of repeated that win if temporary mental illness didnt strike him that night..lewis still was extra cautious while mccal hands down standing there was crying in the ring and doing other weird things except fighting..and lewis STILL didnt deck or ko him....why doesnt lewis then destroy joe louis.hes got all the height weight reach advantages that everyone thinks is important...ditto for ali.
bo hop lol crushes greb..that statement says indirectly bo hop is the greatest middle of all time plus the greatest fighter ever....marble pac dont stay with armstrong .theres no 15 lb weight advantage..do they fight at 126 or 135..or 140...if its at 147 then hank comes in at 142 or so pac at 144 i think..fight nite..pac will do well for a while indeed but his weakness for body shots hmmmm..well at welter the other weights he gets crushed based on how he performed at 126 135 in the past...lets see mickey walker at 147 against any modern fighter of today..does anyone get past 10 rounds...look yes today indeed has several terrific fighters that would be competitive in any era but to a certain degree..how many are complete type of fighters..who are maSTERS OF THE FEIGHT..WHO HAS MASTERED CONTROLLING THE CENTER OF THE RING BY FIGHTING IN A ARCH..WHO MASTERS A SEVERAL PUNCH COMBINATION.HOW MANY HAVE FOUGHT IN REALITY THE WHOS WHO IN BOXING....THAT must BE A COMBINATION THAT A FIGHTER SHOULD HAVE IN SOMEWHAT BASIC COMPLETNESS..ADD LEVERAGE TO PUNCHING TO THAT LIST..ETC ETC..sorry for caps hit the wrong button..and finaly..balance..real solid balance with there movement and footwork....what do you look for or watch when a guy fights..how many along with that combo have great finishing skills...great boxing-fighting is a art..a total art....
lets see bohop crushes haRRY GREB...IF YOU LOOK AT WHO GREB FOUGHT IN JUST one year 1919 as marble and i pointed out several times you would never make a statement like that...in that one year he acomplished more then mosley floyd bo hop jones jr and yes manny pac have done in there entire career...think about why hes a best of the best greatest of the greatest type of fighter..bo hop jones floyd many pac and others on the list yes are great fighters indeed..just at a lower tier or 2 or 3 of greatness..please no excuses ranging from numbers 117-526 etc etc..exaime how does a guy who fought little competion and throws 20 punches a round beat a guy who fougfht a entire career of the whos who in boxing and throws 125 punches a round..how does bo hop crush harry greb..lol surely by not roughing him up..

This is why I love Dmar.

Because he can babble on and on?

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:

realy.lewis was at his best.i see you lose your not at your best..only if you win.mccall maybe could of repeated that win if temporary mental illness didnt strike him that night..lewis still was extra cautious while mccal hands down standing there was crying in the ring and doing other weird things except fighting..and lewis STILL didnt deck or ko him....why doesnt lewis then destroy joe louis.hes got all the height weight reach advantages that everyone thinks is important...ditto for ali.
bo hop lol crushes greb..that statement says indirectly bo hop is the greatest middle of all time plus the greatest fighter ever....marble pac dont stay with armstrong .theres no 15 lb weight advantage..do they fight at 126 or 135..or 140...if its at 147 then hank comes in at 142 or so pac at 144 i think..fight nite..pac will do well for a while indeed but his weakness for body shots hmmmm..well at welter the other weights he gets crushed based on how he performed at 126 135 in the past...lets see mickey walker at 147 against any modern fighter of today..does anyone get past 10 rounds...look yes today indeed has several terrific fighters that would be competitive in any era but to a certain degree..how many are complete type of fighters..who are maSTERS OF THE FEIGHT..WHO HAS MASTERED CONTROLLING THE CENTER OF THE RING BY FIGHTING IN A ARCH..WHO MASTERS A SEVERAL PUNCH COMBINATION.HOW MANY HAVE FOUGHT IN REALITY THE WHOS WHO IN BOXING....THAT must BE A COMBINATION THAT A FIGHTER SHOULD HAVE IN SOMEWHAT BASIC COMPLETNESS..ADD LEVERAGE TO PUNCHING TO THAT LIST..ETC ETC..sorry for caps hit the wrong button..and finaly..balance..real solid balance with there movement and footwork....what do you look for or watch when a guy fights..how many along with that combo have great finishing skills...great boxing-fighting is a art..a total art....
lets see bohop crushes haRRY GREB...IF YOU LOOK AT WHO GREB FOUGHT IN JUST one year 1919 as marble and i pointed out several times you would never make a statement like that...in that one year he acomplished more then mosley floyd bo hop jones jr and yes manny pac have done in there entire career...think about why hes a best of the best greatest of the greatest type of fighter..bo hop jones floyd many pac and others on the list yes are great fighters indeed..just at a lower tier or 2 or 3 of greatness..please no excuses ranging from numbers 117-526 etc etc..exaime how does a guy who fought little competion and throws 20 punches a round beat a guy who fougfht a entire career of the whos who in boxing and throws 125 punches a round..how does bo hop crush harry greb..lol surely by not roughing him up..

This is why I love Dmar.

Because he can babble on and on?

Nope because he knows what he is talking about.

sooner thanks..some folks just never learned how to read..i believe i called floyd manny pac bo hop jones jr as great fighters.not one that suck..but since folks have a 5 world vocabulary that is expanded by a few hundred curse words and they watch a fight but dont know what to look for or dont understand what there seeing well its sad..you cant debate ignorance and a limited mind just have compassion and empathy for them..i guess the folks i talked with at lenth and some several times with like dempsey marciano basilio graziano barney ross canzaneri mickey walker arguello frazier mike dokes jake lamatto angie dundee lou duva etc etc etc several boxing writers and reffs and others are ignorant also since most were older then i was....

This would be fun to watch if you were a masochist and wanted to see Rocky get his face caved in. Like 8 inches of height and 17 inches of reach against someone with Lennox's skill level?

Lennox gets my vote

Rocky 5'10" - 67" reach
Lewis 6'5" - 84" reach

dmar5143 wrote:

realy.lewis was at his best.i see you lose your not at your best..only if you win.mccall maybe could of repeated that win if temporary mental illness didnt strike him that night..lewis still was extra cautious while mccal hands down standing there was crying in the ring and doing other weird things except fighting..and lewis STILL didnt deck or ko him....why doesnt lewis then destroy joe louis.hes got all the height weight reach advantages that everyone thinks is important...ditto for ali.
bo hop lol crushes greb..that statement says indirectly bo hop is the greatest middle of all time plus the greatest fighter ever....marble pac dont stay with armstrong .theres no 15 lb weight advantage..do they fight at 126 or 135..or 140...if its at 147 then hank comes in at 142 or so pac at 144 i think..fight nite..pac will do well for a while indeed but his weakness for body shots hmmmm..well at welter the other weights he gets crushed based on how he performed at 126 135 in the past...lets see mickey walker at 147 against any modern fighter of today..does anyone get past 10 rounds...look yes today indeed has several terrific fighters that would be competitive in any era but to a certain degree..how many are complete type of fighters..who are maSTERS OF THE FEIGHT..WHO HAS MASTERED CONTROLLING THE CENTER OF THE RING BY FIGHTING IN A ARCH..WHO MASTERS A SEVERAL PUNCH COMBINATION.HOW MANY HAVE FOUGHT IN REALITY THE WHOS WHO IN BOXING....THAT must BE A COMBINATION THAT A FIGHTER SHOULD HAVE IN SOMEWHAT BASIC COMPLETNESS..ADD LEVERAGE TO PUNCHING TO THAT LIST..ETC ETC..sorry for caps hit the wrong button..and finaly..balance..real solid balance with there movement and footwork....what do you look for or watch when a guy fights..how many along with that combo have great finishing skills...great boxing-fighting is a art..a total art....
lets see bohop crushes haRRY GREB...IF YOU LOOK AT WHO GREB FOUGHT IN JUST one year 1919 as marble and i pointed out several times you would never make a statement like that...in that one year he acomplished more then mosley floyd bo hop jones jr and yes manny pac have done in there entire career...think about why hes a best of the best greatest of the greatest type of fighter..bo hop jones floyd many pac and others on the list yes are great fighters indeed..just at a lower tier or 2 or 3 of greatness..please no excuses ranging from numbers 117-526 etc etc..exaime how does a guy who fought little competion and throws 20 punches a round beat a guy who fougfht a entire career of the whos who in boxing and throws 125 punches a round..how does bo hop crush harry greb..lol surely by not roughing him up..

i should let this go, but old fighters arent much better then modern fighters. Theres no way of even telling who beats who BTW, we will never know and theres no way of ever knowing. But I will never buy that BS that past great will always be better then todays fighters because that statement is completely false. You will believe what you believe and I will believe what I believe and I have truely thought this through many times and I can never come up with a right answer.

BTW Lewis crushes Rocky, just totally out matches him. Size is too much, with that long reach and safe style, Lewis controls the whole fight. Just keep in mind Football players of the 50's/60's would never make it on a pro team today.

Lennox boxes his ears off until he eats a solid shot late.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

I could see RJJ at his peak beating any ATG at Light Heavyweight.

It hurts me to disagree with a fellow Sooner, but I dont see RJJ being compettive with the top 5-10 lightheavys of all time. Spinks, Foster, Conn, Moore, Charles, all KO Jones and pretty brutally. (Conn probably struggles with him the most) Jones was to flawed in technique and craft to survive against guys that were on his level in talent and light years ahead of him in true skill and craft.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

You can't put on 25-40 pounds of muscle at his age and then lose it again and expect to be at the same level. Going to heavyweight was his greatest accomplishment but also his down fall.

Jones was in the mid 190's for his entire 175 pound career. Its why he always fought under the IBF rules and CONTRACTED the date and time of his weigh ins to allow himself the maximum amount of time to re-hydrate.
When he went to heavyweight he did what Spinks and Holyfield did. Went high protien and started power-lifting to gain muscle mass. In reality, Jones only gained about 5-7 pounds of muscle. Not the 25-40 people want to claim. To get back down to 175 all he did was stop lifting weights.
Heck, when we took Evander to heavy from cruiser he was weighing only about 195. He would lift, eat, lift, eat, ad naseum and go from 195 to 205-07 by fight time. A month after the fight he would be back down to the 190's because he quit lifting.

Jones never lost "25 pounds" to go back down.

sadly,imo,eras too far apart to be able to compare as fighters.all the advantages,as they are go with lewis except for beard,recuperation.though not sure these advantages help the rock with lewis's other ads

boxinglawyer wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

You can't put on 25-40 pounds of muscle at his age and then lose it again and expect to be at the same level. Going to heavyweight was his greatest accomplishment but also his down fall.

Jones was in the mid 190's for his entire 175 pound career. Its why he always fought under the IBF rules and CONTRACTED the date and time of his weigh ins to allow himself the maximum amount of time to re-hydrate.
When he went to heavyweight he did what Spinks and Holyfield did. Went high protien and started power-lifting to gain muscle mass. In reality, Jones only gained about 5-7 pounds of muscle. Not the 25-40 people want to claim. To get back down to 175 all he did was stop lifting weights.
Heck, when we took Evander to heavy from cruiser he was weighing only about 195. He would lift, eat, lift, eat, ad naseum and go from 195 to 205-07 by fight time. A month after the fight he would be back down to the 190's because he quit lifting.

Jones never lost "25 pounds" to go back down.

He didn't lose muscle to fight at 175 he lost fat. No way he could lose 15-20 pounds of muscle before every fight.

this has been eating me all night.now.i'll say this..i am/was a lewis fan but the best way to sum it up for me is lewis beats the rock but if i was choosing best fighter or someone to fight for my life,it's the rock,with lewis about 3 pages behind

bhop +ass + platter=greb fight bhop couldn't handle greb's continum.bhop is best when he can dictate.nore chance of hell freezing than that happening against greb.my bet is doesn't go distance,they feel sorry for hop man