Rocky Marciano Couldnt Have Carried Larry Holmes Jock Strap ???

Agree ??? Disagree?

by that I mean do you think Holmes wins or Marciano

Different eras, both alltime greats

Marciano was a good fighter but he wasn't really a big Heavyweight. Holmes would have probably wore him down.

Yeah I'd most likely take Larry in that fight

Larry was 6'3 with an 81" reach

Marciano was 5'10 with a 67" reach.

By today's standards Marciano is a Light Heavyweight.

Damn!!!

Rocky was the champion in the 50's so the average heavyweight wasn't as big as they were in the 80's.

You'll occasionally get guys round about that height who can bang with the Heavies. For example David Tua is 5'10 and Mike Tyson is 5'11.

I like "The Rock" in this one. Rocky always took on HWs larger than him. Also, I don't think he would've had a problem weighing in at 205. It's a good fight, but in the end I think he catches Larry. Wouldn't be surprised if it resembled the Marciano - Walcott fight.

ali very true by todays standards marciano indeed would be a lightheavyweight.and as i said before thats frightning...now of course since people today in general all taller and weight more than before its also a pattern the heavyweight division has followed..thats why the cruiserweight div was created...given that two things evolve..1.rocky today is a lightheavy and the fights never made or 2.rocky today also is bigger like 6feet one and a half and 215 lbs.still small by heavy standards still fighting bigger guys and still destroying them..and that marciano is also frightning.
there are several factors that you can measure and several you cannot..even at 185 marciano hit as hard or harder then any fighter that ever put on a pair of gloves..his conditioning and stanima factor as a combination exceeded any cruizer or HW ..and many by far.he had a great chin..his two knockdowns were more of a result from balance or foot placement.the moore one was balance the walcott although it was 2 great shots was squared of foot placement..thoses factors to a certain degree can indeed be measured..

his heart his determination his will to win his spirit his humble confidence and other factors cannot be measure...that combination may be matched if at all by perhaps only 1 or two other fighters in boxing history..folks on these boards love size and statistics..the K brothers beats many in these dream fights -which ive said many times im not a fan of-..yet the K brothers seem to lose to an ali or a 5 round fighter like foreman all the time..interesting.
heres a measured fact.marciano punch was indeed tested.the result was it had enough force and energy to deadlift 1000 pounds one foot off the ground with ONE hand.
heres a statistic 49 wins 43 kos no losses but in those 43 kos a huge percentage was the 10 count.not a tko..joe louis in reality was a 10 count not a tko..it would of made a 50 count...

anotrher statistic.marciano fought i think 44 different fighters 14 of them or 33 percent after fighting marciano said thats it..i quit..im done fighting.thats the fear he put into you after you got hit....the remaining fighters that continued were never the same..examples rex layne 34-1 when rocky as a underdog destroyed him was all done...charles was still great and not 100 years old they were 2 years apart was never the same after thoses fights.0..moore was at his best.yeah thats right ill debate that with anyoine anytime.he was in his second prime beating heavy contenders like nono valdez and all the excellent lt heavys was never the same..none where.
marciano did so many things so fantastic that go unnoticed .he surely took away your reach advantage..
history has shown that a much smaller guy has kicked a bigger guys ass tons of times but in rockys case that dont apply..why on espn board i saw buster douglas kicking rockys ass by a big majority of the posters..yeah no heart no condition glass jawed gutless overall buster douglas..
heres another thought..why isnt rocky matched against floyd..fight night theres only a 30 lb difference..against ward..scary huh cause fight night by todays weigh in rules rocky outweights him by maybe 7-8 pounds..frightning huh..well maybe if that is then folks will understand this was one great fighter.one of the elite.one of the ten best ever.that ill debate with anyone anytime and on the phone or in person since i cannot type.
in this matchup ill take rocky via ko .either the light heavyweigh rocky of yesteryear or the heavyweight rocky of today.
this is noo earnie shavers or renalto snipes both that should of koed holmes..reocky dont instantly run out of gas per shavers he finishes you.
soo lets recognize this guy was special.not mearly good as suggested..the fight game could use 50 marcianos and 50 joe louises with there style class and dignity today...yeah there abilty also..

Marciano fought at 188 lb.He would have been a Cruiserweight today.Marciano was the best HW to have fought under 200lb. IMO.

actualy a huge majority of rockys fights were 185 on down..by saying a light heavyweight today we mean also by todays weigh in standards.years ago it was 8 to 10 hours before the fight..today its 30-36 hours before the fight..soo rehydration become a big factor today..examples.pavik weighted what 20 lbs over the 160lb limit fight night..floyd who refused to be weighed in fight night was by educated guess 155-56 fight night for a fight that called for 144..almost every fighter today is 10 or 15 lbs heavier fight times in the 147 154 160 168 175 lb divisions because of the weight in rules..i agree with the rest of your post..

Well, for starters, the weigh in does not matter because its heavyweights. They dont cut weight.

Second, the notion that Marciano would be a cruiser or light heavy is onlyvalid if you take Marciano out of his time era and then put him in ours on fight night. If you take him from career start to finish,with the modern diet and supplements he could easily scale 200 or so pounds. At history shows us, the very best figters were around 210-220.

That said, its no shame to say that Marciano would probably lose to Larry Holmes. Larry as an ATG fighter and ranks among the top 3-5 to ever lace em up at heavy. It IS a shame and imo a big MISTAKE to think he could not compete.

first lawyer enjoy your stay overseas...second on your post i totaly disagree..heres the reasoning..soo called modern diet nurtition and vitamins and legal non steroid supllimen ts do more of this1.eliminate body fat and make you heathier thus increasing recuop powers for wounds illness etc etc2.there designed to make you fit not to put on weight ..3. by your line of reasoning every fighter from 175 on down is realy 10 or 15 lbs heavier than they would be with the benefits you described..nope they would be less fat more muscle or lean muscle at the same weight.. they weighins and todays nurtition and suppliments are used more for the oposite..to make a fighter dehydrate in a healhier safer way..use of natures and nature durectic that in the past had little or no knowlege of..the use of zinc vit c and protien products to heal cuts faster with a stronger healing process..
the weigh in rules certainly of today apply..it would benefit a marciano who weight 177 one time and many fights under or at 185..todays rules qualify him to compete strickly in the LH division only.the same can be said of patterson for most of his career and charles for all of his career.
we cannot isolate that factor at all and thats why i made a post regaurding that..yes only the heavys of TODAY are exempt in m y line of thinking.the rest of the classes from 175 on down are not.

to qualify i mean charles entire heavyweiught career would fall under LH today with the weighinss

I was not clear in my earlier post. Modern day training and nutrition methods can be used to put on weight. Need proof? Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones Jr., Michael Spinks, James Toney, and Michael Moorer all have something in common. They were all heavyweight champions and NONE of them were natural heavyweights. Jones never weighed more than 186, Holyfield was routinely at 195 and actually LOST weight between fights in his early heavy days, Spinks was a large light heavy at 190, but he fought at 212. All of these fighters added weight using modern training methods and nurtrition. Marciano, who weighed 186 at his highest, could have too. In the Rocks day, the use of weights was taboo. It was seen as a stamina drainer and a way to lose speed and agility. As the science of how the body works improved, people learned how to lift weights to add muscle without losing mobility or stamina. My point is that if Marciano fought today, he woud be a lot like Adamek is. A natural 185 pound fighter that could cut weight to fight at 175, stay natural at cruiser, or do some hard training and fight at heavy in the 201-210 range. He would destroy anyone in the 175-190 class today without breaking a sweat. To have ANY kind of challenge he would HAVE to fight at heavy these days and would probably roll though this pathetic division like a hot knife through butter.

boxinglawyer wrote:

I was not clear in my earlier post. Modern day training and nutrition methods can be used to put on weight. Need proof? Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones Jr., Michael Spinks, James Toney, and Michael Moorer all have something in common. They were all heavyweight champions and NONE of them were natural heavyweights. Jones never weighed more than 186, Holyfield was routinely at 195 and actually LOST weight between fights in his early heavy days, Spinks was a large light heavy at 190, but he fought at 212. All of these fighters added weight using modern training methods and nurtrition. Marciano, who weighed 186 at his highest, could have too. In the Rocks day, the use of weights was taboo. It was seen as a stamina drainer and a way to lose speed and agility. As the science of how the body works improved, people learned how to lift weights to add muscle without losing mobility or stamina. My point is that if Marciano fought today, he woud be a lot like Adamek is. A natural 185 pound fighter that could cut weight to fight at 175, stay natural at cruiser, or do some hard training and fight at heavy in the 201-210 range. He would destroy anyone in the 175-190 class today without breaking a sweat. To have ANY kind of challenge he would HAVE to fight at heavy these days and would probably roll though this pathetic division like a hot knife through butter.

You make a great point.

BTW didn't RJJ only capture a trinket ?

“Rocky Marciano couldn't have carried my jock-strap“, I remember when Larry Holmes made that statement, and although it was a disrespectful, classless thing to say, i'd have to agree with him. Larry Holmes would have wiped the floor with Marciano, he was just too big, strong, and skilled. It's ironic that because of this statement, Holmes lost his Heavyweight title to Michael Spinks and missed out on the chance to break Marciano's undefeated 49-0 record.

Holmes lost the first fight to Spinks clearly. He missed the record legit. However, I DO think he won the re-match over Spinks.

Lawyer didn't Roy and Toney only capture a trinket ? and wasn't Toney's victory overturned because of a failed drugs test ?