Your Top 5 Heavyweights Ever?

Birdofthad wrote:

I do think Schmelling had a much higher ring IQ than Marciano though

Debatable,but Max didn't punch nearly as hard as Marciano did.

good point I still love watching the rematch Joe wasnt taking any shit that night

my point is a shitty as it gets Tyson won 1 round by doing virtually NOTHING

Birdofthad wrote:

good point I still love watching the rematch Joe wasnt taking any shit that night

Joe sure had a wild hair across his ass in the rematch.Max actually let out a scream from one of Joe's body shots.

finished a book on their fight and starting another book on their fight

Max had two fractured vertebrae from that shot to the back isnt that nuts?

he re injured it when paraschuting in WW2 and had to crawl to safety for a couple miles cause he couldnt walk

sadly his shriek was described as sounding "like a woman"

Birdofthad wrote:

finished a book on their fight and starting another book on their fight

Max had two fractured vertebrae from that shot to the back isnt that nuts?

he re injured it when paraschuting in WW2 and had to crawl to safety for a couple miles cause he couldnt walk

sadly his shriek was described as sounding "like a woman"

Yet the man lived to be 99 years old.Amazing!

extremely amazing

every christmas instead of toys and stuff like that my dad would always get me a autograph of someone, 1 year he got me a book signed by a bunch of former champions and the main one was Schmelling at the time I was kinda bummed I was like damn i got the nazi dude

but upon learning about him its one of my favorite ones he was a great guy

3:50-53 mark you can see the scream

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Training has changed in the past 100 years. They use to fight so often that they never had time to train properly and wouldn't have had grueling training camps like they do now. Also, swimmers are still the same size now as they were 30 years ago yet their records get beat every year. Rocky Marciano would be a midget compared to Lewis, Vitali and Wlad.

The number of errors here is remarkable.

1. Training has NOT changed. If it has? Tell me how?
2. No grueling training camps? LOL, read up on Jim Jeffries or William Muldoon sometime.
3. Swimmers are the same size??? Really? Mark Spitz was 6 feet tall and weighed 170 pounds. Rowdy Gaines was 6'1 and 175 and Aussie champion Micahel Wenden was 6' tall while Aussie great Murray Rose was 6'1 175. Nowadays? Alexander Popov is 6'7" and 200 pounds, Ian Thorpe is 6'5 and 230 and Michael Phelps is 6'4 and 200 pounds and Grant Hackett is 6'6 and 210.

You're in luck. We are giving a free fourth incorrect assertion with three previous incorrect assertions. Today only!

First, Thorpe has been retired for over 3 years. Next, you named a few swimmers not the majority. Also, you stated boxers fought about every month. training camps last longer than a month so back in the day they wouldn't have had proper training camps.

1. The swimmers I named were ALL top of the heap guys. An apples to apples comparison. You on the other hand have named NOBODY!
2. Again, look up men like Jim Jeffries and Jack Dempsey and William Muldoon etc about training camps. Do some actual work rather than making unsupported assertions..
3. Let me make an analogy. 40 years ago NFL training camps were often 7-8 week affairs and they were FAR more brutal and draining affairs than camps today. Camps today are 2-3 weeks shorter and far less draining. Care to guess why that is so? BECAUSE THE MEN 40 YEARS AGO WERE NOT ALREADY IN SHAPE WHEN THEY ARRIVED IN CAMP! Camp had to be that long because so much basic fitness work had to be done. IT WAS A REMEDIAL PROCESS NOT AN OPTIMAL ONE! if there is one thing that is clearly true it is that STAYING in shape takes less time and work than GETTING in shape. The men who fought monthly didn't need to go away to camp. Why? BECAUSE THEY WERE ALWAYS IN FIGHTING CONDITION!

Or would you like to argue that someone like say Young Corbett III, who in 1927 alone fought 15 times and a total of 126 rounds did so while in less than optimal condition?
Just so you know 126 rounds is 27 more than David Haye has fought in his whole career.

night fellas got an 8 oclock clas tomorrow

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Compared to Lewis, Vitali and Wlad it's a big difference. I think an in shape fired up Lewis beats Marciano.

And he avoids getting hit by Marciano how exactly?

Sorry but whatever you say about the NFL will come in 1 ear and out the other.

Birdofthad wrote:

night fellas got an 8 oclock clas tomorrow

Have a good 1 Bird.

Birdofthad wrote:

3:50-53 mark you can see the scream

I find it hard to believe Schmeling was still standing after that shot that broke his back.Good video,Bird.

Birdofthad wrote:

night fellas got an 8 oclock clas tomorrow

Auf Wiedersehen!

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Sorry but whatever you say about the NFL will come in 1 ear and out the other.

No clue huh?

Let me make it even simpler then. STAYING in shape takes far less work than GETTING in shape. Long training camps with long breaks of inactivity is NOT the optimal way for ANY athlete to train. It happens because men fall out of shape due to inactivity. STAYING in shape takes far, far less work.

If you thought the reverse was true then you'd have to explain why (for example) athletes don't simply go inactive between the Olympics and then go into long training camps and not compete except at the Olympics.

Good points Marble.The reason there is such a plethora of injuries lately in camp is due to the fact these guys are constantly in work-out mode and are not allowing their bodies to heal properly.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Sorry but whatever you say about the NFL will come in 1 ear and out the other.

No clue huh?

Let me make it even simpler then. STAYING in shape takes far less work than GETTING in shape. Long training camps with long breaks of inactivity is NOT the optimal way for ANY athlete to train. It happens because men fall out of shape due to inactivity. STAYING in shape takes far, far less work.

If you thought the reverse was true then you'd have to explain why (for example) athletes don't simply go inactive between the Olympics and then go into long training camps and not compete except at the Olympics.

Aussies don't care about the NFL that's why. Athletes don't go inactive between the olympics because they wouldn't make money not for any other reason.

WinstonSmith wrote:

Good points Marble.The reason there is such a plethora of injuries lately in camp is due to the fact these guys are constantly in work-out mode and are not allowing their bodies to heal properly.

Well if your fighting 20 fights a year how can your body heal properly?

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

WinstonSmith wrote:

Good points Marble.The reason there is such a plethora of injuries lately in camp is due to the fact these guys are constantly in work-out mode and are not allowing their bodies to heal properly.

Well if your fighting 20 fights a year how can your body heal properly?

I was referring to the NFL(American Football).

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Sorry but whatever you say about the NFL will come in 1 ear and out the other.

No clue huh?

Let me make it even simpler then. STAYING in shape takes far less work than GETTING in shape. Long training camps with long breaks of inactivity is NOT the optimal way for ANY athlete to train. It happens because men fall out of shape due to inactivity. STAYING in shape takes far, far less work.

If you thought the reverse was true then you'd have to explain why (for example) athletes don't simply go inactive between the Olympics and then go into long training camps and not compete except at the Olympics.

Aussies don't care about the NFL that's why. Athletes don't go inactive between the olympics because they wouldn't make money not for any other reason.

[rolling eyes]

Athletes don't go inactive because it is nearly impossible to stay in top competition shape and to get better without actually competing.

If your theory were correct? Then football, baseball and hockey and basketball teams would be at there very best coming out of training camp instead of at mid-season. But that is simply not the way things work.

If your theory were correct then boxing is the one human endeavor in which doing it LESS makes one more proficient.

You really want to make that argument?

Do yourself a favor. Go read Ray Robinson's autobiography.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Those are some great points and some things I'd never thought about, but when did boxers start to really earn above middle class wages?

Top boxers??? Well over 100 years ago. Boxers are notorious for blowing ttheir money. From Jack Johnson toJoe Louis to Mike Tyson.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

WinstonSmith wrote:

Good points Marble.The reason there is such a plethora of injuries lately in camp is due to the fact these guys are constantly in work-out mode and are not allowing their bodies to heal properly.

Well if your fighting 20 fights a year how can your body heal properly?

Easy, be good enough defensively not to get hit a lot.

WinstonSmith wrote:

Good points Marble.The reason there is such a plethora of injuries lately in camp is due to the fact these guys are constantly in work-out mode and are not allowing their bodies to heal properly.

Yup. There is a 100% injury rate in the NFL. Except for backup QB's and kickers? EVERY player is injured in some way ALL the time.