Your Top 5 Heavyweights Ever?

powerpuncher wrote:

it kind of makes me depressed just thinking about it. certain fighters now would be considered even greater than they are now. especially fighters like jones (like marb said) and mayweather. so much talent but not enough fights and fights that would have happened if they fought more often.

it's what REALLY makes me crazy about Mayweather. I think the Flomos who think he'd have won all the fights i wanted him to fight (Spadafora, Freitas, Casamayor, Cotto, Margarito, Kostya, Johnston) are likely correct!

I think if he did it right he had a chance to really earn a top ten all-time spot. he just didn't want to do it.

Training has changed in the past 100 years. They use to fight so often that they never had time to train properly and wouldn't have had grueling training camps like they do now. Also, swimmers are still the same size now as they were 30 years ago yet their records get beat every year. Rocky Marciano would be a midget compared to Lewis, Vitali and Wlad.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Training has changed in the past 100 years. They use to fight so often that they never had time to train properly and wouldn't have had grueling training camps like they do now. Also, swimmers are still the same size now as they were 30 years ago yet their records get beat every year. Rocky Marciano would be a midget compared to Lewis, Vitali and Wlad.

The number of errors here is remarkable.

1. Training has NOT changed. If it has? Tell me how?
2. No grueling training camps? LOL, read up on Jim Jeffries or William Muldoon sometime.
3. Swimmers are the same size??? Really? Mark Spitz was 6 feet tall and weighed 170 pounds. Rowdy Gaines was 6'1 and 175 and Aussie champion Micahel Wenden was 6' tall while Aussie great Murray Rose was 6'1 175. Nowadays? Alexander Popov is 6'7" and 200 pounds, Ian Thorpe is 6'5 and 230 and Michael Phelps is 6'4 and 200 pounds and Grant Hackett is 6'6 and 210.

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sorry again your wrong freak

boxers train today DOING THE EXACT SAME THING BOXERS DID IN THE PAST

go look up Abe Simon and Primo Carneras height

Eddie Chambers, Hasim Rahman, Calvin Brock, Juan Carlos Gomez

all midgets compared to a Klitschko

OH MY GOD THEY DIDNT EVOLVE!!!!!

cough cough Rocky Marciano 5'11

Mike Tyson 5'11

ahhhhhh

marbleheadmaui wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Training has changed in the past 100 years. They use to fight so often that they never had time to train properly and wouldn't have had grueling training camps like they do now. Also, swimmers are still the same size now as they were 30 years ago yet their records get beat every year. Rocky Marciano would be a midget compared to Lewis, Vitali and Wlad.

The number of errors here is remarkable.

1. Training has NOT changed. If it has? Tell me how?
2. No grueling training camps? LOL, read up on Jim Jeffries or William Muldoon sometime.
3. Swimmers are the same size??? Really? Mark Spitz was 6 feet tall and weighed 170 pounds. Rowdy Gaines was 6'1 and 175 and Aussie champion Micahel Wenden was 6' tall while Aussie great Murray Rose was 6'1 175. Nowadays? Alexander Popov is 6'7" and 200 pounds, Ian Thorpe is 6'5 and 230 and Michael Phelps is 6'4 and 200 pounds and Grant Hackett is 6'6 and 210.

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First, Thorpe has been retired for over 3 years. Next, you named a few swimmers not the majority. Also, you stated boxers fought about every month. training camps last longer than a month so back in the day they wouldn't have had proper training camps.

Also, look at the size difference of Rocky Marciano compared to Lewis, Vitali and Wlad.

look at the size difference of Tyson to Wlad and Vitali

Louis normal training camps were 6 to 8 weeks

Robinson and them could fight every month CAUSE THEY WERE IN PRIME SHAPE they weret fighting twice a year

they could have a training camp, win or lose, fight next week, have a 2 week training camp and fight again

its wat Robinson did when he lost to LaMotta, 6 days later won, 14 days later beat LaMotta

Birdofthad wrote:

cough cough Rocky Marciano 5'11

Mike Tyson 5'11

ahhhhhh

Rocky Marciano was 5'10 with a 67' reach
Mike Tyson 5'11.5

man thats a HUGE difference

haha

but wait it gets worst I can google as well

Birth name: Rocco Francis Marchegiano
Nickname(s): Rocky, The Brockton Blockbuster

Birth date: September 1, 1923
Birth place: Brockton, Massachusetts
Death date: August 31, 1969
Death place: Des Moines, Iowa
Burial Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida

Height: 5'11"
Weight: 185 - 188 lbs
Hair color: Dark brown
Eye color: Brown

http://www.rockymarciano.net/about/facts.htm

Compared to Lewis, Vitali and Wlad it's a big difference. I think an in shape fired up Lewis beats Marciano.

you gotta realize Marciano was considered small FOR HIS OWN ERA

Joe Louis figured Im old as shit but this guy fights like hes in an alley, i can outbox him

years after the fight he said, Man that guy could punch hard

do you consider mcCall and Rahman master punchers?

NO

Marciano was one

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Compared to Lewis, Vitali and Wlad it's a big difference. I think an in shape fired up Lewis beats Marciano.

Marciano was a Cruiserweight by any standard.I still hink he was the best HW under 200lbs. in the history of the sport.The Rock had twice the balls Lewis had but would have been giving up nearly sixty pounds.Unfair comparison IMO.

Birdofthad wrote:

you gotta realize Marciano was considered small FOR HIS OWN ERA

Joe Louis figured Im old as shit but this guy fights like hes in an alley, i can outbox him

years after the fight he said, Man that guy could punch hard

do you consider mcCall and Rahman master punchers?

NO

Marciano was one

Lewis was out of shape for those fights and not interested. See what he did to them in the rematches? Joe Louis at his peak would've destroyed Marciano.

Birdofthad wrote:

you gotta realize Marciano was considered small FOR HIS OWN ERA

Joe Louis figured Im old as shit but this guy fights like hes in an alley, i can outbox him

years after the fight he said, Man that guy could punch hard

do you consider mcCall and Rahman master punchers?

NO

Marciano was one

Walcott and Moore made the same fatal mistake.They took the Rock for granted.

WinstonSmith wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Compared to Lewis, Vitali and Wlad it's a big difference. I think an in shape fired up Lewis beats Marciano.

Marciano was a Cruiserweight by any standard.I still hink he was the best HW under 200lbs. in the history of the sport.The Rock had twice the balls Lewis had but would have been giving up nearly sixty pounds.Unfair comparison IMO.

It's not unfair when you're comparing Top 5 Heavyweights in head to head fights.

exactly Winston

i love Lennox

but he gets killed by Joe Louis , Ali, FRAZIER man talk about all wrong for someone, Foreman, Liston, Jersey Joe might outbox him, alotta great champs beat Lennox not really sure why the arguement is just Lennox vs Rocky . Holmes also kills Lennox off the top of my head

Lennox was the best of a bad division, it just looks great compared to the division we have know

remember when an old ass Mike Tyson won a round by coming forward?

i find it kind of funny anyone considers Lennox or Vitali or Wlad a top 5 all timer

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

you gotta realize Marciano was considered small FOR HIS OWN ERA

Joe Louis figured Im old as shit but this guy fights like hes in an alley, i can outbox him

years after the fight he said, Man that guy could punch hard

do you consider mcCall and Rahman master punchers?

NO

Marciano was one

Lewis was out of shape for those fights and not interested. See what he did to them in the rematches? Joe Louis at his peak would've destroyed Marciano.

Joe had a bad habit of getting lazy with his left hand.If Schmeling could expose it,so could have the Rock.I don't think anyone destroys Marciano,beat him possibly,destroy him no.

I do think Schmelling had a much higher ring IQ than Marciano though

Birdofthad wrote:

exactly Winston

i love Lennox

but he gets killed by Joe Louis , Ali, FRAZIER man talk about all wrong for someone, Foreman, Liston, Jersey Joe might outbox him, alotta great champs beat Lennox not really sure why the arguement is just Lennox vs Rocky . Holmes also kills Lennox off the top of my head

Lennox was the best of a bad division, it just looks great compared to the division we have know

remember when an old ass Mike Tyson won a round by coming forward?

Wow, Tyson won 1 round. Lewis destroyed him that fight. I think Lewis is the most underated Heavyweight champion ever and Rocky Marciano the most overated.

Birdofthad wrote:

exactly Winston

i love Lennox

but he gets killed by Joe Louis , Ali, FRAZIER man talk about all wrong for someone, Foreman, Liston, Jersey Joe might outbox him, alotta great champs beat Lennox not really sure why the arguement is just Lennox vs Rocky . Holmes also kills Lennox off the top of my head

Lennox was the best of a bad division, it just looks great compared to the division we have know

remember when an old ass Mike Tyson won a round by coming forward?

If McCall and Rahman could kayo Lewis,Foreman or Liston would have put him on a slab.

Birdofthad wrote:

i find it kind of funny anyone considers Lennox or Vitali or Wlad a top 5 all timer

I consider Lewis between 6-10. Vitali and Wlad are nowhere near top 20.