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The same Olympics that just cut wrestling? Doesnt surprise me. and fuck the Olympics, it is dead to me. I am just against this whole thing. Idc if the guy is gay or straight. If there is a transgender promotion created, then fight away lady boy. Until then, it is cheating in my book. No discrimination.

I see this not being any different than fighters using steroids, or cutting extreme amounts of weight to gain an advantage. Actually there is a difference, this is 100x more fucked up.

Has Dana White spoke of this yet? I would really like to hear his pov, even though he changes his story more than anyone I have ever seen.
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As for fighting in the UFC, Dana White tells us to
fight in the UFC ... Fox would have to get the green light from the
state athletic commission. But he also says Fox hasn't proved herself
yet ... the 2 women she's beat have never won a fight.

Dana says, "She's gotta win some real fights to even talk about the
UFC." And Dana warns, "It's not like transgenders who play golf or
baseball. UFC is a contact sport."

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Are u fucking serious with this post bro? ur a newbie to MMA compared to me, I watch all fights, but don't get a hard on unless guys are in the top 30.

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Damnit to hell. I bet we see this guy get arm barred by big Ronda eventually.
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In a recent article by Sports Illustrated's Loretta Hunt, Ms. Hunt confirmed that the ABC (Association of Boxing Commissions) approved a policy for transgender athletes via it's medical advisory board last year. It states:

The guidelines set clear definitions as to what constitutes a transsexual athlete (a transgender having undergone the surgeries necessary for anatomical change), as well as minimum requirements for the hormone therapy appropriate to their assigned sex to maintain competitive equity among the athlete pool.

For instance, a female transgender athlete like Fallon would be required to produce medical documentation of the relevant surgeries and procedures she underwent during transition (it should be noted that it is not a requirement for the athlete to undergo complete gender assignment surgery), as well as detailed paperwork from a board certified endocrinologist or internist showing that she underwent hormone therapy for a minimum of two years following a gonadectomy and the levels have been within acceptable range for a female.


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Leading sex reassignment physicians weigh in on Fallon Fox
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/3/8/407 ... fallon-fox

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With all that I posted above, if I'm a manager I don't see myself letting my female fighter(s) in the cage with Fox.

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All females should refuse to fight her/it.
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All females should refuse to fight her/it.
Figures...

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The science clearly shows there is no advantage. No one has any argument against this other than "Derp she's a dude!!" If there is I'd like to hear but it will probably just reek of homophobia

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bobbitt15 wrote:
The science clearly shows there is no advantage. No one has any argument against this other than "Derp she's a dude!!" If there is I'd like to hear but it will probably just reek of homophobia

The lady she last fought said that was the strongest person she's ever fought. Also homophobia is about hating on gays. No one has said anything about her being gay or not.
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Okay, so maybe she was the strongest person she's ever fought. That anecdotal evidence disqualifies her? That scrub that Holly Holm beat up on Bellator last week and threw around would probably say the same about her. She enters the cage with a testosterone level lower (potentially much lower) than the average woman and that's to say nothing of her levels compared to an animal like Rousey. I didn't read through the other 5 pages so I don't know if this has already been discussed or not. The estrogen and T-blockers taken have negative impacts on everything important in fighting: strength, speed, weight retention. As long as the homework is done and she is cleared to fight I have no problem with it.

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bobbitt15 wrote:
The science clearly shows there is no advantage. No one has any argument against this other than "Derp she's a dude!!" If there is I'd like to hear but it will probably just reek of homophobia

The lady she last fought said that was the strongest person she's ever fought. Also homophobia is about hating on gays. No one has said anything about her being gay or not.

if she's not a gay man, i'll eat my cock, sauteed to your preference*

* denotes i reserve the right to not eat my cock if i'm proved wrong
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freakzilla wrote:
bobbitt15 wrote:
The science clearly shows there is no advantage. No one has any argument against this other than "Derp she's a dude!!" If there is I'd like to hear but it will probably just reek of homophobia

The lady she last fought said that was the strongest person she's ever fought. Also homophobia is about hating on gays. No one has said anything about her being gay or not.



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I competed against her in 2010 and nothing, behavior, strength, etc. would have clued me into her being anything other than biologically female. Not to mention the doctors showing her levels are good. Gender and sexual identity are so much more complicated than the scientifically illiterate like to accept, and if she's happy this way while phenotypically female (including hormone levels), well I wish her the best.

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bobbitt15 wrote:
The science clearly shows there is no advantage. No one has any argument against this other than "Derp she's a dude!!" If there is I'd like to hear but it will probably just reek of homophobia

Ironic, "Derp she'd a dude!!" to two seconds later not agreeing with you is equal to being homophobic. No derp there, none what so ever.


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Leading sex reassignment physicians weigh in on Fallon Fox
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/3/8/407 ... fallon-fox

I think it is worth noting that the expert witness doctor for this article runs a clinic that primarily specializes in offering gender reversal procedures to their paying clients and Dr. Bowers is a male who had a sexual change procedure as well. Not a judgement of bias but also not absolved from it possibly as well.



Thus far all female opponents have been beat down in less the 2:30 of the first round.
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Woman MMA fighters give their thoughts:

Raquel Pennington- “Rocky” is 3-3 as a pro and currently competes under the Invicta FC banner. Twitter: @Rpennington020

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I read the article and it’s a talk about transsexual, not
transgender. In that case, I think with the qualifications being met,
they should be treated equal as they are seen as a person everyday, and
allowed to fight.

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Sarah D’Alelio- Known as the “The Monster,” Sarah is
a fighter for Invicta FC. Her record stands at an impressive 7-3.
Follow Sarah on Twitter @SarahDalelio


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I think it’s fine as long as there is full disclosure and
the woman is physically identifiable as a female and within the correct
hormone levels. The agreement should be between the two competing women
and their camps.

I myself would agree to a fight with a transgendered female, but I
also understand why the majority of other women feel that there would be
an unfair advantage for the transgendered.

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Stephanie Frausto- “Macaquiha” is another Invicta FC fighter and sister of Zoila Gurgel. Follow her on Twitter @StephMacaquinha


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I’m not sure what I think because I don’t know the science about the hormones of a transgender. Iwouldn’t
like to speak on behalf of what I know nothing about. It would seem
like a guy trying to fight in a woman’s division, but without knowing
the whole story, I couldn’t tell you what I really think. All I can say
is any woman who would take a fight with a transgender is very brave.
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Rachael Cummins- The “Panther” competes on the amateur level, most notably for Tuff-N-Uff, a Las Vegas based promotion. Follow her @RachaelCummins


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I don’t think that it is right because no matter the sex change, it
is still a man and has a far greater advantage…. But if an opponent
agrees to fight, then it is ok. I don’t think a lot of women would if
they knew….

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Bridgette Batch - Another amateur, Bridgette is
preparing for her professional debut. As a part of the Wand Fight Team,
you can be sure she will be ready when the time comes. Follow her @TheBigBlackWolf


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Honestly, I’m still forming an opinion about this. After reading
up on transgender operations and post-operative follow-up, and also
watching and reading videos and articles from Fallon Fox herself, I feel
like even though hormonally there may not still be an advantage, but
physically there is the issue of the anatomical and physiological
developments that she had developed prior to her decision to switch her
gender.
This physiology, (namely the way that the bones attach themselves in
the skeletal make-up of a man vs. a woman) may give her an unfair
advantage in an MMA fight against a naturally born woman. However, I do
have to wonder if Fallon Fox were losing to the women she fought versus
dominating them, if this would still be such an issue.


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Aisling Daly- At 13-5, Daly has one of the most impressive records in women’s MMA. Currently, she is fighting for Invicta FC. Follow her @aisydaly


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On a personal level, I have zero issues with transgender
people, but I do feel transgender female fighters may have unfair
advantages over those who were born female. Attributes like bone
density, spacial awareness and possible residual male muscle mass.

I also disagree with the lack of disclosure on the issue. Opponents
should have a choice as to whether or not they want to take the fight.
In the future, with full disclosure, maybe transgender female fighters
can be licensed, but their opponent must be fully informed in order to
allow them to make the best decision.
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Michelle Waterson- Michelle is one of the most
popular fighters in all of women’s MMA. She fights for the atomweight
title at Invicta FC 5. Twitter: @KarateHottieMMA


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I don’t have anything against transgendered women, but I
do feel like the strength between a man and a woman is very different.
That being said, it really depends on how long she has been taking
estrogen. Bottom line, in my opinion, is it would be up to her
opponent.


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Katalina Malungahu- The 2-2 fighter is another
competitor on the Invicta roster. She is currently based out of Las
Vegas and is 2-2 as a pro. Follow her @KatalinaMMA






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The way I see it, Fallon Fox to me is a beginning of a
good thing. She’s giving hope to male transgenders and vice versa with
the same desires to participate. But the ways she’s gone about starting
in the sport isn’t something I agree with. NOT RIGHT in so many
senses.

I suggest that equal opportunity is presented to transgenders in
having their own bouts. Equality, so to speak, and a win/win for all.
For her to compete against females in MMA, even if she’s taking female
hormones, it’s still not common sense, nor does it make it right. No. I
don’t agree.
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Jessica Eye- “Evil” Eye is widely considered the
best 125 lb. fighter on the planet. She competes in Bellator and has
her sites set on a title there when that organization introduces a
championship for her to compete for. Follow her @JessicaEvilEye



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I really don’t agree with it, considering the hormonal differences that we have. You also can’t lie on your app.


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Amber Stautzenberger- This Texas product is 1-1 as a pro, most recently competing for Dakota FC. Twitter: @AmberStautz

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Structurally, men are built differently from women. [I
have] No problem with people wanting to switch genders, but physically
she is still a he, minus the special part.
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Cat Zingano- Cat is one of the most accomplished
women in MMA. She will be part of just the second female fight in UFC
history when she takes on Miesha Tate at TUF 17. Follow Cat @CatZingano

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Judging it at “good or bad,” it’s happening. So we have
to embrace it with pure curiosity and do a little research. The way I
see it, if I were to fight a transgender, it would influence me to train
smarter, not harder, and to maintain an open mind on the offense,
defense, and anything in-between. But mostly, I’m gonna do my thing, no
matter who they put in front of me.


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Felice Herrig- One of the most outspoken fighters in the game, Felice can be found kicking ass in Bellator. Twitter: @FeliceHerrig

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If you were born a man, then you should fight as a man. Period.


Read more http://prommainsider.com/the-womens-mma-community-comments-on-transgendered-competitors/






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Gerald Broflovski has always been a dolphin. It's just now that his biology matches his identity.







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Real women have the ability to carry children. Does Mr. Fox? If the answer is no, he shouldn't fight. If the answer is yes, then whatever have at it.
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jewzilla wrote:
Real women have the ability to carry children. Does Mr. Fox? If the answer is no, he shouldn't fight. If the answer is yes, then whatever have at it.
Plenty of women are born with conditions that prevent them carrying children. Does that disqualify them? Does she also have to possess the ability to clean and fix you a sammich?

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Does his current anatomy show that he had his uterus and whatnot removed? Actually is there Even any space in his body for such female reproductive organs?
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jewzilla wrote:
Does his current anatomy show that he had his uterus and whatnot removed? Actually is there Even any space in his body for such female reproductive organs?
lol not that I'm aware of. That would be some freaky shit. Some Junior shit(The Arnny movie)

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Admit it OU you're attracted to Fallon Fox and don't want accept that she's got something dangling between her legs.
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Admit it OU you're attracted to Fallon Fox and don't want accept that she's got something dangling between her legs.
I wouldn't fuck that bitch with your dick. But she seems like your type broseph, you can have her.

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Yeah the comments here pretty much come off like one would expect of an MMA crowd

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Ali* wrote:
Admit it OU you're attracted to Fallon Fox and don't want accept that she's got something dangling between her legs.
I wouldn't fuck that bitch with your dick. But she seems like your type broseph, you can have her.

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Yeah the comments here pretty much come off like one would expect of an MMA crowd
I spent 5 pages being the only one that didn't brush it aside as "you had dick, you must fight man, simple." Just go back and read.

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If this is how the Mma community feels then why is this even being debated?

Oh that's right we live in a nation full of politically correct liberals and its hip to go against everything our founding fathers built this country on.
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jewzilla wrote:
If this is how the Mma community feels then why is this even being debated?

Oh that's right we live in a nation full of politically correct liberals and its hip to go against everything our founding fathers built this country on.
How do you know what George Washington felt about transsexuals?

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