Transgender fighter Fallon Fox's MMA license under review

George Washington was a real gawd damn American.

George toked weed man. Grew fields of that stuff.

jewzilla wrote:

If this is how the Mma community feels then why is this even being debated?

Oh that's right we live in a nation full of politically correct liberals and its hip to go against everything our founding fathers built this country on.

We live in a country where the dinosaurs and their lame social viewpoints are dying off. Soon enough

This is so black and white and not up for debate or worthy of discussion! To illustrate why this is not worthy of debate or discussion, we're going to proceed to debate and discuss this with you for no less than seven pages.

thessy11 wrote:

This is so black and white and not up for debate or worthy of discussion! To illustrate why this is not worthy of debate or discussion, we're going to proceed to debate and discuss this with you for no less than seven pages.

Ali* wrote:

thessy11 wrote:

This is so black and white and not up for debate or worthy of discussion! To illustrate why this is not worthy of debate or discussion, we're going to proceed to debate and discuss this with you for no less than seven pages.

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"I wouldn't do it," Tate told ESPN.com. "If there was solid research that [proved] she's 100 percent like a female, then I might consider it.

"I have nothing against transgender people. You should live your life however you want. It's about fighter safety. I wouldn't feel comfortable getting in with someone who is a woman but developed as a man. I just don't think it would be safe."

I just have a lot of questions and I don't feel there's been enough research to safely say it's OK for Fallon Fox to fight other females. My concern is that she went through puberty as a man. Does that change bone density? Does it change her body frame?

"I think she has broader shoulders than most [females]. Her hips look different than most females. I'm sure her hands [and feet] are probably bigger. I'm not a medical expert, but there are things I've noticed that are not typical of most female fighters."

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/90...gender-athlete

So let's get theoretical.

Fallon Fox doesn't lose again. Wins against every female she is licensed to fight against. Is commission cleared to fight UFC promoted events, wins the title. No woman can defeat Fox.

Do we think all of the parts of the body nature engineered are fully suppressed by sciences mitigation measures or that they do not effect the exertion of athletic ability?

bobbitt15 wrote:

The science clearly shows there is no advantage. No one has any argument against this other than "Derp she's a dude!!" If there is I'd like to hear but it will probably just reek of homophobia

if she was born a man than doesn't that mean she has thicker bone density than a woman? I don't think they change that in the sex op

scientifically she has stronger denser bones, stronger ligaments and tendons, a different shaped skull, ... some might say there is an advantage there

Joe Rogan is spot on. Listen to his podcast.

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oggy420 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

The science clearly shows there is no advantage. No one has any argument against this other than "Derp she's a dude!!" If there is I'd like to hear but it will probably just reek of homophobia

if she was born a man than doesn't that mean she has thicker bone density than a woman? I don't think they change that in the sex op

It does change when you've been on hormones that long from everything I've read

jewzilla wrote:

Joe Rogan is spot on. Listen to his podcast.

He clearly had done little to no research on the topic

He was right when he said the size of your fists and feet don't change.

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/03/despite-criticism-peggy-morgan-standing-by-decision-to-not-fight-fallon-fox

Featherweight Peggy Morgan (2-0) has acknowledged a video filmed by her and her trainer about Fallon Fox (2-0) was "inflammatory," but she sticks by her decision not to fight the 37-year-old transgender fighter.

"Socially, yes, she is a woman," Morgan today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "But do I necessarily want to get in the cage with this person? Do I believe that she has no physical advantage over me? I'm not convinced, and I do honestly believe she has a physical advantage."

Morgan said she and trainer John Fain were angered by an interview Fox gave to AXS TV's "Inside MMA" and fired back. Fox said any fighter who refused to face her was doing so out of fear.

"I'm sure she'd like to see herself as a great WMMA fighter, but I think a lot of her success has to do with the fact that she has advantages," Morgan said.

During the response, Fain repeatedly referred to Fox, who underwent gender reassignment in 2006, as a man and claimed she lied on commission paperwork before assaulting her previous opponent in the cage earlier this month. Morgan, who sat by the trainer, said nothing.

Several days after the clip was released, Morgan said she agreed with the trainer's message, but not his choice of words. (Fain could not be reached for comment at the time of this writing.)

"Maybe it wasn't right, but there comes a point where you do things out of emotion and not necessarily reason," Morgan said. "From when I talked to him, he was trying to bring anger back on him. He was trying to draw attention to him instead of me."

But that's where attention – and anger – has been focused since the video's release.

"I think he was trying to be provocative," she said. "I don't think he was trying to be as hurtful as he was."

Morgan was far more measured in a blog posting she wrote on her management's website, and elaborated her position on the issue of potentially fighting Fox in an eight-woman featherweight tournament, which is currently set to continue on May 24 under the Championship Fighting Alliance promotion banner. CFA 11 takes place at the BankUnited Center in Coral Gables, Fla.

"I understand why people are advocating for Fallon and I appreciate that it is important to protect her rights, but I think it should be just as important to protect the safety of the other women in the tournament," she wrote. "Until I am presented with conclusive evidence that a fight with Fallon would, in fact, be fair, I will not be entering the cage with her."

Fox and Morgan are on opposing brackets of the tournament and beat their respective opponents in the opening round. Fox knocked out Ericka Newsome in 39 seconds with a knee, while Morgan unanimously outpointed Revelina Berto.

They aren't on a collision course just yet, but Morgan stepped forward to voice her decision not to fight Fox when she believed the CFA and Florida State Boxing Commission, which is set to oversee the May 24 event, weren't taking action on the matter. Florida's Department of Business and Professional Regulation, which oversees the commission, is expected to conclude an investigation into Fox's license on April 5, though it has indicated that she may still compete professionally.

Morgan next is slated to meet Ashlee Evans-Smith in the semifinals of the tournament on May 24. Fox, who denies misleading the FSBC about her transgender status, is expected to meet Allanah Jones, though Jones' coach has not signed off on the bout due to concerns that mirror those of Morgan.

Morgan's manager, Jason Ellis, said of his client's choice: "We stand behind our athletes and Peggy Morgan 100 percent."

Fox, meanwhile, blasted Morgan and Fain's video in a posting on her official Facebook page, saying they were mostly worried about losing the $20,000 offered to the tourney's winner.

"I wonder if I should argue that her long bone structure is an unfair advantage to all the female competitors in the tournament? Nah, I won't do that," Fox said. "Because I realize that her advantage is something that I must overcome. It is a challenge and I welcome it!"

While Fox claims the medical and scientific community backs her, others, including MMAjunkie.com medical columnist Dr. Johnny Benjamin and veteran MMA fighter/osteopath Rosi Sexton, say there's a lack of evidence to prove she isn't at an advantage in the cage.

Morgan said despite heated rhetoric around the issue, she bears no ill will toward Fox.

"I understand she's angry with me right now, and I predicted she would be," she said. "I do believe everything I said is true. Regardless of that, I still like her. I think she's a good person, and I sympathize with her position. It must be very difficult to be somebody who feels like they're born into the wrong body. But at the same time, life isn't fair. You don't always get everything you want, and there's plenty of people who want to fight, and they aren't licensed for a variety of reasons."

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/3/28/4154112/cain-velasquez-fallon-fox-shouldnt-be-able-to-fight-women

Transgender mixed martial artist Fallon Fox, the 37-year-old fighter who was born a man and underwent gender reassignment surgery in 2006, became the face of a contentious debate among the medical and scientific communities when her past was brought to light in early March.

Weeks later, the MMA community also remains split on the issue. While some of Fox's contemporaries, including former Strikeforce champion Cris "Cyborg" Santos and UFC fighter Julie Kedzie, have voiced support for Fox's cause, several notable figures within the sport, including UFC ringside announcer Joe Rogan and UFC bantamweight contender Miesha Tate, have staunchly opposed the idea of a former man fighting women.

UFC heavyweight champion Cain Velasquez falls into the latter category.

"I don't think she should be able to fight women," Velasquez flatly responded when asked about Fox at a recent media luncheon.

"Having the same bone structure and everything else as a man, I think definitely does give her an advantage."

Fox has already booked her next fight in the semifinals of Championships Fighting Alliance's women's featherweight tournament, a result that seemed dicey as recently as a few weeks ago. The Florida State Boxing Commission continues to review Fox's license, and her opponent, Allana Jones, has yet to sign a bout agreement. However, Fox's camp isn't worried.

"They're not going to have a problem finding an opponent," Fox's manager Brett Atchley recently told Outsports. "Somebody wants to be the one who beats Fallon Fox. And they'll see it as an opportunity to make more money. If Allana Jones doesn't fight, so what? Someone else will."

Regardless, the uncharted waters of Fox's situation continue to leave many observers without a concrete answer, including Velasquez.

"Maybe have a separate [division], I guess," the UFC heavyweight champion finished. "I don't know. But I don't think that's fair."

Cain hath spoken. To the fiery pits of hell with this Shemale beast.

lol

i'm going to join this with the fallon fox thread

Fallon Fox was defeated via TKO tonight

It was an awesome display by Smith, I was jumping and dancing rooting her on during that fight when I watched it Saturday morning. Was a huge win.