lol naw the LW rankings are tough, Cerrone has been tough to ignore recently. Even though Siver hasn't lost recently I would probably still drop him in favor of Cowboy at this point.
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Alvarez could hang. He is a big LW and already has had success at WW. His striking, tdd and movement put him over a lot of WW's already. Aoki snagged him and his only other loss is a decision to a Middleweight.
He isn't really fighting top competition though is he?
Some people can evaluate beyond that theory.
It's easy to look good against fighters not ranked in the top 20. He's 1-1 against current top 20 fighters.
The numbers don't really matter, you have to see more than that to understand.
Alvarez could hang. He is a big LW and already has had success at WW. His striking, tdd and movement put him over a lot of WW's already. Aoki snagged him and his only other loss is a decision to a Middleweight.
He isn't really fighting top competition though is he?
Some people can evaluate beyond that theory.
It's easy to look good against fighters not ranked in the top 20. He's 1-1 against current top 20 fighters.
That can't be the only factor in how you judge a fighter. But sometimes it appears that is exactly what you do. The opponent doesn't have to be ranked to still be a quality fighter and Alvarez's skills are obvious.
Alvarez could hang. He is a big LW and already has had success at WW. His striking, tdd and movement put him over a lot of WW's already. Aoki snagged him and his only other loss is a decision to a Middleweight.
He isn't really fighting top competition though is he?
Some people can evaluate beyond that theory.
It's easy to look good against fighters not ranked in the top 20. He's 1-1 against current top 20 fighters.
That can't be the only factor in how you judge a fighter. But sometimes it appears that is exactly what you do. The opponent doesn't have to be ranked to still be a quality fighter and Alvarez's skills are obvious.
I judge mostly on facts not on made up stuff in my head that I want to believe.
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Alvarez could hang. He is a big LW and already has had success at WW. His striking, tdd and movement put him over a lot of WW's already. Aoki snagged him and his only other loss is a decision to a Middleweight.
He isn't really fighting top competition though is he?
Some people can evaluate beyond that theory.
It's easy to look good against fighters not ranked in the top 20. He's 1-1 against current top 20 fighters.
That can't be the only factor in how you judge a fighter. But sometimes it appears that is exactly what you do. The opponent doesn't have to be ranked to still be a quality fighter and Alvarez's skills are obvious.
I judge mostly on facts not on made up stuff in my head that I want to believe.
So you can't judge a fighter based on how they look in a fight? Then why even watch? Just look at the rankings and the result, base all your rankings off that.
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lol naw the LW rankings are tough, Cerrone has been tough to ignore recently. Even though Siver hasn't lost recently I would probably still drop him in favor of Cowboy at this point.
Yea they are, I def think Cowboy is knocking on the top 10 door, not there yet imo. Cowboy vs Pettis please
Alvarez could hang. He is a big LW and already has had success at WW. His striking, tdd and movement put him over a lot of WW's already. Aoki snagged him and his only other loss is a decision to a Middleweight.
He isn't really fighting top competition though is he?
Some people can evaluate beyond that theory.
It's easy to look good against fighters not ranked in the top 20. He's 1-1 against current top 20 fighters.
That can't be the only factor in how you judge a fighter. But sometimes it appears that is exactly what you do. The opponent doesn't have to be ranked to still be a quality fighter and Alvarez's skills are obvious.
I judge mostly on facts not on made up stuff in my head that I want to believe.
So you can't judge a fighter based on how they look in a fight? Then why even watch? Just look at the rankings and the result, base all your rankings off that.
That's my point. He looked good against week opposition. He'd never look that impressive against say a Bendo or Guida.
The more I think about it. Why did they pull Nick from the title fight and give him to BJ. If what he did was bad enough to get pulled from the title fight he shouldn't be on the card. It smells alittle fishy to me.
But for BJ this is great, he gets a great name opponent, IMO a highlight KO win gives BJ a title shot winning any other way leads to a Fitch rematch. I mean it's great for Nick to. You really taught him a lesson Dana. Miss the press conf and I'll take you off the main event and put you in what could be one of the ufcs greatest fights ever on the same card, still gonna bank win or lose.
I don't see it as fishy, but I do see it as the UFC bending their rules to allow a super entertaining fighter to fight under their banner.
Rebney would be all over Diaz, Viacom would certainly help bring him in. The UFC wants none of that. They just paid good $$$ to get the rights to Diaz.
Alvarez could hang. He is a big LW and already has had success at WW. His striking, tdd and movement put him over a lot of WW's already. Aoki snagged him and his only other loss is a decision to a Middleweight.
He isn't really fighting top competition though is he?
Some people can evaluate beyond that theory.
It's easy to look good against fighters not ranked in the top 20. He's 1-1 against current top 20 fighters.
That can't be the only factor in how you judge a fighter. But sometimes it appears that is exactly what you do. The opponent doesn't have to be ranked to still be a quality fighter and Alvarez's skills are obvious.
I judge mostly on facts not on made up stuff in my head that I want to believe.
So you can't judge a fighter based on how they look in a fight? Then why even watch? Just look at the rankings and the result, base all your rankings off that.
That's my point. He looked good against week opposition. He'd never look that impressive against say a Bendo or Guida.
You judge people off of record, OU proved your point, thanks for playing. We'll just keep watching the fights and base a portion of our evaluations off the actions that take place between bells.
Alvarez could hang. He is a big LW and already has had success at WW. His striking, tdd and movement put him over a lot of WW's already. Aoki snagged him and his only other loss is a decision to a Middleweight.
He isn't really fighting top competition though is he?
Some people can evaluate beyond that theory.
It's easy to look good against fighters not ranked in the top 20. He's 1-1 against current top 20 fighters.
That can't be the only factor in how you judge a fighter. But sometimes it appears that is exactly what you do. The opponent doesn't have to be ranked to still be a quality fighter and Alvarez's skills are obvious.
I judge mostly on facts not on made up stuff in my head that I want to believe.
So you can't judge a fighter based on how they look in a fight? Then why even watch? Just look at the rankings and the result, base all your rankings off that.
That's my point. He looked good against week opposition. He'd never look that impressive against say a Bendo or Guida.
What is your point? That you could literally not watch the fights and just look at the results and the current rankings of the fighters? That is how we are suppose to judge fighters? What we see in the fight is irrelevant?
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So you can't judge a fighter based on how they look in a fight? Then why even watch? Just look at the rankings and the result, base all your rankings off that.
Top 20 rankings are purely subjective. So saying how good a guy is based on how he did vs opponents that are in a subjective top 20, is not basing your opinion on any sort of factual base.
Don't Edgar and Eddie train together or used to atleast? If we asked Frankie, I'm sure he would say nothing along the lines of "Alvarez couldn't hang with me". Partly to not be an asshole, but mostly because it wouldn't be a factual statement
Because Penn is a guy that has had the tools to be a great WW and LW. Alvarez is a candidate for, maybe not the same but near, similar success imo, you offered your mmath/rankings facts in rebuttal, we go from there with the easiest of ease.
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It's very easy to see how a certain topic can go off in a different direction. BJ was mentioned as one of a very select few who could compete at both LW and WW. Eddie's name gets thrown into that discussion. But exactly like the Hendo discussion, one poster seems to think that the quality of opposition clearly means that fighter could not hang with the big dogs in the UFC.
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That's my point. He looked good against week opposition. He'd never look that impressive against say a Bendo or Guida.
I know you didn't watch the WEC prior to WEC48 and all, but without having seen the fight of the year candidate fight Cerrone had with Bendo in late 2009 a comment like this just makes you come off very ignorant. There are even people who believe the 48-47 scores could have been in favor of Cerrone there. Seriously though, you need to start doing some video watching before you start talking like this.
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I'm not. BJ has the ground game to hang with Nick, and he's got better hands and head movement. I'm pretty sure he'll be slightly faster as well, plus Diaz has shitty wrestling.
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