Rampage vs. Rashad in Pride:

chorky777 wrote:

I say Rashad takes him down and knees him to the head. Rampage wouldn't have had anywhere to run, or a cage to lean against to save him from getting taken down. Especially if Rashad still came out and clipped him the way he did in this fight.

Um... do you mean Rashad wouldn't have anywhere to run? And Rashad wouldn't be able to hug against the cage for 10 minutes? If Rashad was forced to engage on the feet he'd be dropped

LA big time Rashad hater going in, keep that in mind.

Yeah I don't let that come into play, I call like I see it.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

I say Rashad takes him down and knees him to the head. Rampage wouldn't have had anywhere to run, or a cage to lean against to save him from getting taken down. Especially if Rashad still came out and clipped him the way he did in this fight.

Um... do you mean Rashad wouldn't have anywhere to run? And Rashad wouldn't be able to hug against the cage for 10 minutes? If Rashad was forced to engage on the feet he'd be dropped

Yep.

Who has shut Page down like that? Who can out wrestle him? Who has rocked him like that?

To Rashad haters, beating Rampage in the pocket is the only thing that would be impressive I guess...

Kind of like faulting a football team for having a smothering pass defense and not playing shootout arena football and winning a "boring" game. Don't agree, especially since Rashad threw a 75 yard TD pass on the first play from scrimmage and had to make a goal-line stand after giving up a very devastating pick-six in the fourth quarter.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

I say Rashad takes him down and knees him to the head. Rampage wouldn't have had anywhere to run, or a cage to lean against to save him from getting taken down. Especially if Rashad still came out and clipped him the way he did in this fight.

Um... do you mean Rashad wouldn't have anywhere to run? And Rashad wouldn't be able to hug against the cage for 10 minutes? If Rashad was forced to engage on the feet he'd be dropped

I only saw one person running from the other in the fight I saw on Saturday, and it sure as hell wasn't Shad. As for hugging against the cage, he would have actually been able to easier take Rampage down with the double. The cage was getting in the way of the takedowns. Rashad wasn't trying to use it as a prop for control, he was trying to take Page down, and got caught against the fence, then used it for control purposes. But he wanted Rampage down, and let's face it, this is MMA, and there's no way to force a fighter to engage on the feet, whether it be in a cage or in a ring. If a fighter wants to keep a fight standing, then he better be better at wrestling than his opponent. Rashad was the better fighter last night, I'd imagine he'd be a better fighter in a future fight. He fought the smarter fight, he was quicker, he threw straighter punches, and he outworked Rampage. No reason for me to assume Rampage being more aggressive would be helpful in any way.

If you weren't haters, you'd see that strategy, avoiding the very dangerous strong suit of his opponent, as smart fighting.

Why don't we call Bisping a bitch for not engaging Miller on the ground while we're at it.


This discussion is getting a little too Baroni-Tankish for me.

When did Rampage run? If it was easier for Shad to take him down with the double, he would have been doing it in the fight. Like you said "Rashad was trying to take Page down", but he wasn't, the fence would become the ropes, therefore Rashad wouldn't be able to spend 10 minutes hugging Page up against the fence. And lets be honest, outside of Rashad dancing and slapping his knee, he barely did anything on the fett outside of an offbalance shot 3 seconds into the fight. Look what happened when Shad engaged on the feet, he almost got finished.

Agree 100% chorky. Rampage wanted to part of Rashad Evans power after he landed the blow early in the fight.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

When did Rampage run? If it was easier for Shad to take him down with the double, he would have been doing it in the fight. Like you said "Rashad was trying to take Page down", but he wasn't, the fence would become the ropes, therefore Rashad wouldn't be able to spend 10 minutes hugging Page up against the fence. And lets be honest, outside of Rashad dancing and slapping his knee, he barely did anything on the fett outside of an offbalance shot 3 seconds into the fight. Look what happened when Shad engaged on the feet, he almost got finished.

If the cage wasn't there, and there were ropes instead, he could have gotten his arms behind Page to secure a proper double. As for the shot that Shad whacked Rampage with, why on Earth do 2 jabs cause Rampage to drop his hands below his waste? You're gonna get clocked if you do that, and he did. Stupid mistake that he paid for. You can claim he was off balanced all you want, but he was hurt by that shot, and that put him off balance.

If the cage wasn't there, Rashad would have nothing to push Page against, he'd be going for the double and the same exact thing would be happening, he wouldn't get it. He couldn't get Page down, that's why he was stalling against the cage. Me thinks you didn't watch many Pride fights.

As for the shot, he was off balance, never in trouble at all, over blown because he moved so far across the cage, you honestly think Shad has that kind of power? give me a fucking break.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Agree 100% chorky. Rampage wanted to part of Rashad Evans power after he landed the blow early in the fight.

He did? Is that why Page stood center cage wanting to echange and Shad kept slapping his knee and dancing around?

Why didn't Page engage even when he had the chance in the third?

Objective eyes ; you know how I constantly talk about bias impacting the ability to rationally proccess information? This is what I'm talking about. That shot blasted Rampage, and yes Rashad does have that kind of power.

It's like talking to that fat guy in a Colts or Eagles jersey at BWWs who tries as hard and as furiously as he can to convince you Tom Brady isn't a good QB with some complex nonsensical rationale. LA my friend, you've become that fatguy.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Who has shut Page down like that? Who can out wrestle him? Who has rocked him like that?

To Rashad haters, beating Rampage in the pocket is the only thing that would be impressive I guess...

Kind of like faulting a football team for having a smothering pass defense and not playing shootout arena football and winning a "boring" game. Don't agree, especially since Rashad threw a 75 yard TD pass on the first play from scrimmage and had to make a goal-line stand after giving up a very devastating pick-six in the fourth quarter.

Ha! That's a perfect way to state it.

Way too much speed for Page to deal with, Pride rules or ring won't fix his slowness.

LA, I expect you to be hard on any fighter from here on out that doesn't decide to stand in the pocket.

I don't know if you read through my posts correctly, but it was the hugging and stalling most of us are complaining about

Most people on here are hard on guys that cause a ref to separate fighters up against the cage 4 times in a 3 round fight. Not like this is new guys. No one was on here after Couture-Vera talking about what a brilliant performance Randy just had

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Way too much speed for Page to deal with, Pride rules or ring won't fix his slowness.

Rashad barely landed on the feet with all that "speed", I'm sure I'll hear about the one punch 3 seconds in, but when Rashad stood with Page, he danced, slapped his knee and almost got finished.

bobbitt15 wrote:

Most people on here are hard on guys that cause a ref to separate fighters up against the cage 4 times in a 3 round fight. Not like this is new guys. No one was on here after Couture-Vera talking about what a brilliant performance Randy just had

Apples and oranges. Evans delivered some impressive takedowns, some nice GnP in the third. Basically one round of hugging, in the second.

That hugging was hugging with a purpose. He wanted to tire Rampage out and make it ugly. Again, getting into a clinch striking situation when you're the smaller fighter against Rampage isn't a good idea. Ask Marvin Eastman about that. He fought with the appropriate strategy and imposed his will on Rampage.


HES DEAAAAD. Ya ya Rampage.

bobbitt15 wrote:

Most people on here are hard on guys that cause a ref to separate fighters up against the cage 4 times in a 3 round fight. Not like this is new guys. No one was on here after Couture-Vera talking about what a brilliant performance Randy just had

I'm not trying to take a side here, but...

Nobody was here talking shit on Couture or making excuses for Vera either. There certainly wasn't a poll asking who people think would have won if they had fought in Pride. Couture fought his game and beat Vera just like Rashad fought his game and beat Rampage.

I'm a little surprised this is being discussed at all. The fight was considered a coin flip going in, but there was nearly a unanimous consensus that either Rampage would win by TKO/KO if he could handle Rashad's speed and wrestling or Rashad would win by decision if Rampage could not. That's exactly what happened. There's no reason debate "what if's" because nobody knows the answer to those, people (on both sides) just pull things out of their asses and make guesses, largely based on personal opinion. At the end of the day, "what could have been" doesn't mean jack, the only thing that matters is reality, and the reality is that Rashad beat Rampage.

Nice proast thessy.

thessy11 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Most people on here are hard on guys that cause a ref to separate fighters up against the cage 4 times in a 3 round fight. Not like this is new guys. No one was on here after Couture-Vera talking about what a brilliant performance Randy just had

I'm not trying to take a side here, but...

Nobody was here talking shit on Couture or making excuses for Vera either. There certainly wasn't a poll asking who people think would have won if they had fought in Pride. Couture fought his game and beat Vera just like Rashad fought his game and beat Rampage.

I'm a little surprised this is being discussed at all. The fight was considered a coin flip going in, but there was nearly a unanimous consensus that either Rampage would win by TKO/KO if he could handle Rashad's speed and wrestling or Rashad would win by decision if Rampage could not. That's exactly what happened. There's no reason debate "what if's" because nobody knows the answer to those, people (on both sides) just pull things out of their asses and make guesses, largely based on personal opinion. At the end of the day, "what could have been" doesn't mean jack, the only thing that matters is reality, and the reality is that Rashad beat Rampage.

There were a ton of people on here bitching about Randy's performance

Um yes there was, a lot of people thought Vera won and were ridiculing the fact that Randy won by pressing him against the fence the whole fight with very little damage.

Want to know why there was no "If they fought in Pride thread"? because neither fighter did