What level boxer all-time is Lennox Lewis as a HW?

anyone says Larry Holmes and Im comin out swinging

Most over rated ever??? Come on guys! Ever?

Tyson is by far the most overrated ever. People always say he could beat Ali, Marciano, Frazier etc. The truth is the guy did nothing in his career. He never beat any great HW. How can you even make it into the HOF without beating anyone worth mentioning? He damn sure is no ATG.

There are other guys who were crazy overrated also. I will throw out a few tell me what u think.. Jerry Cooney, Rocky Marchiano ( yeah I said it lol), Riddick Bowe, and Michael Moore. Just a few guys I think are overrated although I dont know why Im argueing I agree Tyson was way overrated LOL.

timthebim wrote:

Most over rated ever??? Come on guys! Ever?

yes

he seriously did not beat one great heavyweight in their primes, Mike Tyson countlessy gets thrown around in top 10 lists

He is normally (if the person that made this list has any credibility) the only one that DOESNT BELONG. The top 10 guys I listed fought great fighters and beat them.

Mike got beaten when he faced great fighters. Look at the guys he was beating in his hey day, Mitch Greens, BoneCrushers, and James Tillis' were going the distance with him.

Tony Tucker, aaahhh, , Mike rid us of the Bone Crushers, Pinklon Thomas (who I actually liked), and Trevor Berbick's. But we really need to stop acting like he was beating these great fighters. He was beating the worst Heavyweight Division Ever (to that date).

Lets net even talk about the quality of opposition faced in his comeback. Shit they even thought they were cherry picking Holyfield!

I like Mike I really do, I enjoyed his fights and ordered or watched damn near all of them, have every fight he ever fought on DVD, but he wasnt a top 20 Heavyweight IMO, Mike wilted when the pressure turned up and the fighting got tough.

He had the best highlight KO reel ever though LOL.

Gerry Cooney was over rated for a hot minute, he doenst get mentioned anywhere near the top Heavyweights of all Time. Marciano went 49 and 0 and knocked out Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Archie Moore. All ATGs, yes Moorer was a LightHeavyweight. Marciano was 185-195 and beat ATG. Mike didnt.

Bowe and Moorer arent close to any top 10 lists, if they are the person ranking doesnt know what the hell they are talking about.

Tyson gets put in lots, I truly dont think he belongs at all.

Im not gonna argue that Tim

probably the most exciting fighter ever

I never really see Mike in top 10 list by any respectable organizations rankings mostly just fan rankings.

timthebim wrote:

There are other guys who were crazy overrated also. I will throw out a few tell me what u think.. Jerry Cooney, Rocky Marchiano ( yeah I said it lol), Riddick Bowe, and Michael Moore. Just a few guys I think are overrated although I dont know why Im argueing I agree Tyson was way overrated LOL.

None of those guys come close to as overrated as Tyson. First off Marciano is not overrated. He is underrated IMO. I put him up there with Ali. Heck even Ali did not know if he could beat Rocky. Bowe, Moore and Cooney are not put in peoples top ten. Jeesh anyone who puts Tyson in their top 10 does not know a damn thing about Boxing. The guy was an exciting fighter but that is about it.

Yeah but Rocky did go undefeated but I dont think he could beat alot of the guys after his era. Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Holmes and u could probably name another 10 that he couldnt beat.

Im just trying to play devils advocate guys and u cats are making it very rough to come up with a good defense for Iron Mike LOL.

deadly for 3 to 4 rounds, get past that get ready for a mauller clinchathon

dont worry tim hahaha

I think Rockys resume has gotta count for something. Not to mention in an era (when he did not have to) he fought top black fighters.

Would Larry Holmes have beaten ROcky? Ya, could Rocky have carried his jock strap (and amde it tough fight)? Ya

Birdofthad wrote:

dont worry tim hahaha

I think Rockys resume has gotta count for something. Not to mention in an era (when he did not have to) he fought top black fighters.

Would Larry Holmes have beaten ROcky? Ya, could Rocky have carried his jock strap (and amde it tough fight)? Ya

I have to go to bed but I say NO!! Holmes would jab Rockys head off LOL. Talk to u tommorrow Bird.

have a good one bro

timthebim wrote:

Yeah but Rocky did go undefeated but I dont think he could beat alot of the guys after his era. Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Holmes and u could probably name another 10 that he couldnt beat.

To me there is only two guys who I think in their prime could beat Rocky. Ali and Joe Louis. Foreman was not mentally tough enough for a guy like Marciano and the rest are not good enough.

this era devalues Joe Lous WAY TOO MUCH

Birdofthad wrote:

this era devalues Joe Lous WAY TOO MUCH

How good would a Joe Louis vs Ali fight be?

Bird man I am off to bed. Good night man.

the best possible match up ever

have a good one brosef

Birdofthad wrote:

1. Joe Louis - Im sorry 12 years as champion wins everytime in mythical land

2. Muhammad Ali - The only All Time Great in his prime that we saw Ali fight in his prime was Sonny Liston. Thats scary.

3. Jack Johnson - 7 years and one of the great clinch defensive fighters of all time. Great chin, went 26 rounds in losing to Jess Willard in a fight he was winning. Crushed Burns, Moran, and an old Jeffries. Beat everyone of the current Black Murder's Row at that time (yes that is where the term originated from) of Joe Jeanette,Sam Langford, Sam McVey, Denver Ed Smith

4. Gene Tunney - No losses at Heavyweight, 1 loss to Harry Greb avenged, In 20 rounds with Jack Dempsey Tunney more than likely won 19. Retired Champion, master boxer. Extremely underrated.

5. Sonny Liston - "The only man that ever made me stop in my tracks was Sonny Liston. and it was with a jab" - George Foreman.6'4 wingspan sledgehammer jab. Mean in the ring, a Great, KOs or beats all the men below him IMO.

6. Sam Langford - I cant do the man justice, please read a book about him.

7. Jack Dempsey - Manassau Mauler belongs in this area IMO, to small for the men above him, although he still might get them in the early rounds.

8. George Foreman - Wins the title 20 years apart. The legit Title's, P4P one of the hardest hitters ever. Which George you want, scary or smart?

9. Larry Holmes - Next week Larry might be as high on my list as 3 (just depends when you ask me). Maybe most precision jab ever in the Heavyweight division. Tough, would get up if he got knocked down. A true throw back.

10. Rocky Marciano - If I dont inculde him people will likely bitch, even though I think Rocky is 10 or out IMO.

Honorable mention to Ezzard Charles, Jim Jeffries, Frazier, Corbett.

Mike Tyson is not a top 20 guy AT ALL. Lennox is top 20 - 15 material, and Evander is 15-10 material IMO

In big picture land I agree with your list. In real world land I think Lewis would destroy it entirely. Just sayin.

My own take is here are guys who are clearly ahead of him (in no order)

Ali, Louis, Frazier, Dempsey, Marciano, Jeffries, Johnson, Holmes, Holyfield, Liston and Foreman. So he's outside the top ten.

Two words.

Rahman-McCall

I think when you put together a list of ATG heavyweights, the question is what style would be most effective against all other styles. For example, would Jersey Joe Walcott be an easy fight for anyone? The answer is no. Sure, Joe Louis was a great champion but looking at his fights against Jersey Joe and Billy Conn, I don't think any of you would put money on him against Ali. However, not all boxers are full proof. Say what you want about Larry Holmes, but he got caught with flush shots and probably wouldn't do very well with a iron fisted champion that could cut off the ring (make Larry take 4 steps for his one). Lennox Lewis? Not a mystery. Out of shape, he was a disaster. He was knocked out by Oliver M. and Rachman. In shape, well, there's a reason he never faced a man he didn't beat. He took the best of a new and improved Ray Mercer, knocked out Tyson, took care of Holyfield, and many other fighters who'd have little trouble with the men that beat him. I think his style would've troubled ANY HW. Picture Dempsey trying to get best the Lewis jab or an out jabbed Holmes. Lewis will be forever underrated for a lot of reasons, however, You Tube is a click away. Watch all these fights again and compare champs. Not that he's the best ever, but nobody would've wanted any part of Lewis. Nobody.