9/11 - 12 years later

And oggy it doesn't take a genius to realize bush and the Saudi royal family are good friends

Read black banners there is an entire chapter dealing with al Qaedas 22 Saudi bank rollers

Your second question why did we attack Iraq ?

We attacked Iraq largely because Bush had surrounded himself with war hawk neocons like Paul Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld.
the bush administration was so completely shell shocked from 9-11
That they attempted to , in Don Runsfelds own words, " drain the swamp".
9-11 as terrible as it was , was their opportunity to finally remove saddam Hussein once and for all
Wolfowitz had been comparing Hussein to hitler for years.
Cheney based basically his entire case for invading Iraq on one former Iraqi defectors testimony about
Iraq WMD facilities. All of this was presented to Colin Powell as being true and he gave his UN speech
Curveball, the Iraqi defector, now admits he made all of it up to see saddam get invaded.

Our congress all voted to go to war based on false intelligence that dick Cheney had cherry picked.
Even worse, France, curveballs original handlers, knew he was full of shit
And so did some in the CIA
Colon Powell knew there were no links between saddam Hussein and Iraq and he never said their was.
Bush and Cheney did.
And there wasn't, bin laden and zarqawi with both at war with saddam
They said we could go with 150,000
General Shinseki testified we needed 300,000 to 400,000 troops
We sent a 250,000 rolling force , which means we initial sent about 20,000 into Iraq for the beginning invasion, very risky.
Rumsfeld said, " it could last 6 days, 6 weeks, I doubt 6 months ."
We beat saddam easily but after firing all police and militar and public workers, we did not
Have the required force necessary to police the population
Because we didn't have the force necessary and had just sent 400,000 Iraqi men home pissed off with their weapons , it didn't take long for zarqawis to form a sunni heavy al Qaeda in Iraq
And it didn't take long for Muqtada al Sadrs Shiite  death squad militias to emerge

There were no WMds saddam told us he destroyed them during the Clinton years. He just didn't want
Iran or the Kurds to know, since he gassed them and all.
Cheney and bush were on their way to a war with Iran if Iraq went peachy
I don't doubt that for a second
They just failed to heed Colin powells advice
"if you break it you own it"

Bout to go to work so don't think your response shut me up

Birdofthad wrote:

Ok you posted a lot of questions so I'ma take em one by one

First the Saudi question and just clearing up on the 19 hijackers
Al Qaeda as a group is made up of mainly Saudi Arabians and Egyptians . It makes sense it's where Bin Laden was from and Zawahiri (now aq leader).
These are also countries that are on good relationship with America
In other words they are our ally , people from these countries gain entrance into America much easier than someone from Yemen , Syria, Iran, Iraq, etc.
Al Qaeda knew this and exploited it. We denied Ramzi bin al Shib and Al Kuwaiti entrance into the US several months before 9-11. We know muhammad Atta wanted a 20th hijacker but couldn't get the final man into the country. Think about they had 3 5 man teams an one 4 man team.
The 4 man team is the one that didn't hit their target.

Now al Qaedas  whole ideology is based on creating an Islamic caliphate with their interpretation of Islamic law
They had that in Afghanistan with the taliban

That's why we went to war with Afghanistan.
Iraq had nothing to do with it or al Qaeda. Bin laden and Hussein were enemies.
There is no logical defense of explabatiob for the Iraq war.
Not even oil money because Bush didn't take any of the damn oil.

The reason we didn't attack Saudi Arabia was because largely bin laden had been a greater enemy
To the Saudi royal family than he was considered to be a treat to USA.
He preached about overthrowing them and called them takfirs ( fake Muslims)
Does al Qaeda get a lot of funding from Saudis ?
You bet
But it not coming from the government
Also Egypt and Saudi Arabia, we largely outsourced our torture to them in the early years of black sites
Before we had gitmo .
Same goes for Egypt, zawahiris whole purpose in life was to overthrow Mubarak

Egypt and Saudi Arabia are our partners in fighting al Qaeda
That's why al Qaeda attacked in Riyadh and in Egypt

first i'd like to say I actually agree with closing Gitmo and terrorists should be tried in the American court system.

"Al Qaeda as a group is made up of mainly Saudi Arabians"

"Does al Qaeda get a lot of funding from Saudis ?
You bet
But it not coming from the government"

Ok come on now. So you are admitting that Saudi Arabia is our ally, yet also that they fund Al-Qaeda, that Saudi's did the 911 attack.

You cant tell me with a strait face that the Saudi Royal family isn't in on it.

Prince Bandar, aka Bandar Bush, head of Saudi intelligence, met with President Vladimir Putin in Moscow three weeks ago and in this meeting, he uttered a number of incentives and threats to persuade Russia to drop its support for Assad and Syria.

He offered an alliance with OPEC as an incentive to Putin and he also made the offer of a joint monopoly over the global oil and gas business. Prince Bandar has also used a threat and said that otherwise terrorist attacks will happen during the Olympic Games in Sochi next February.

As a reminder, Prince Bandar was the long-time Saudi Arabian Ambassador in Washington, and he is also known under the name “Bandar Bush” because he is a very close friend of the Bush-family.

Prince Bandar and George W. Bush met one day after 9/11.

The truth is, He is also one of the main masterminds behind the terrorist attacks of 9/11 because 16 of the 19 alleged hijackers were Saudi nationals – as scapegoats of an operation that was carried out by the intelligence services of the U.S., Israel and Saudi Arabia. Directly funded by Saudi Royal family.






Prince Bandar told Putin:

Let`s put together a unified Russian-Saudi oil strategy. The target is an agreement about the price of the oil and the quantity of production, which keeps the price stable on the global market.”

“We understand Russia’s great interest in the oil and gas in the Mediterranean from Israel and Cyprus. We also understand the importance of Russian gas pipelines to Europe. We have no interest to compete with it. We can cooperate in this area.”

That is what Bandar said, and he also expressed that everything he said had been arranged by Washington, and the U.S. administration would be fully behind it.

The conversation was about the offer of an alliance between the OPEC cartels and Russia, which together produce about 40 million barrels of oil per day, 45 percent of global output. Such a connection would completely change the strategic landscape of the world.

Prince Bandar also promised that Russia could retain its naval base in Syria, after the fall of President Assad. As a threat, he hinted that terrorists from Chechnya, who could otherwise attack the Winter Games in Sochi, in case if there was to be no agreement between Russia and Saudi Arabia.


“I give you the guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. Chechen groups, which threaten the security of the games, are controlled by us, and they do nothing without consulting us.”

The Saudi intelligence chief boasted that the Chechens, who rage in Syria, are a pressure medium, which can be deactivated or activated – just as he needs it. Bandar said further: “These groups do not scare us. We use them against the Syrian regime, but they will play no role in the political future of Syria.”

The conversation between Putin and Bandar was very heated, filled with warnings about a “dramatic change” in Syria. Putin, however, was unmoved by the Saudi offer and the threat – he was not dissuaded from his existing opinion.

Putin responded by saying:


“We know that you have supported the Chechen terrorist for decades. And the support, of which you just spoke openly, is completely incompatible with the common goal of fighting global terrorism. We are interested to develop friendly relations after clear and strong principles.”

“Our point in terms of Assad will never change. We believe the Syrian government is the best representative of the Syrian people and not these liver-eaters.”

It`s clear for me – when Prince Bandar blatantly threatens Russia with terrorism during the Olympics, the foreign terrorist groups in Syria are totally under his control, then the hired mercenaries of the Saudi intelligence, of Mossad and the CIA have certainly also carried out the poison gas attack the other week in Damascus.

Bandar is only able to use such an audacity in his talks with Putin because he has America behind his back. This shows again, what dirty power games and threats are running behind the scenes, and how criminal the foreign policy of the West has been.






Think about it.


We have justified the war against Afghanistan and Iraq with lies, also against Libya, and now we are lying in order to be able to attack Syria. The next target is then Ian, and so on. We try to make people believe that we care about peace and human rights, but that is not what is happening. The corrupt leadership wants war and they do not care about the fate of the affected people. Their moral outrage now is only hypocrisy and play-acting, because they kill civilians all the time with drone bombs.

Iffy Saudi Arabian government is our ally
That doesn't mean some people in Saudi Arabia don't find or join sl Qaeda
Its not that confusing
Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan that's why we went into Afghanistan November 2001
It's simple al Qaeda central was not in saudi Arabia they had been expelled from there

As John Lennon said:


“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I’m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it.”

Bird who killed JFK?

Newly Declassified Government Documents: Pre 9/11 Bin Laden Hijack Plot Was Ignored By US Intelligence

No one believed al Qaeda, Taliban could pull it off

Steve Watson
Sept 27, 2013

File this under 9/11 government prior knowledge with the mountains of other examples from the past twelve years. Newly uncovered government documents show that the US government ignored a specific warning in 2000 that Al Qaeda planned to hijack a commercial airliner headed for the US.

After eleven years, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the country’s military intelligence arm, has released documents to watchdog group Judicial Watch, that show the warning was ignored because “nobody believed that Osama bin Laden’s organization or the Taliban could carry out such an operation.”

Judicial Watch notes that the documents “reveal that Al Qaeda had a sophisticated plan to hijack a commercial airliner departing Frankfurt International Airport between March and August 2000. The hijack team was to consist of an Arab, a Pakistani and a Chechen and their targets were U.S. airlines, Lufthansa and Air France.”

Judicial Watch requested the material in May 2002 as part of its Terrorism Research and Analysis Project.

The group notes that the files are very rich in detail and show that the US government had intricate operational information, even down to names, addresses and phone numbers of the terrorist operatives, based in Frankfurt, Germany.

The documents show that the plot was being directed by a prominent Saudi with direct ties to the Saudi royal family, operating in conjunction with Al-Qaeda, Taliban and Chechen terrorist cells in Hamburg and Frankfurt, one of which was being headed by lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta.


Judicial Watch’s analysis also notes that the US government had intelligence indicating that Al Qaeda had gotten an operative on the inside of the German Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan, to provide EU visas to be used in forged Pakistani passports.

The watchdog group notes that “information about the plot came from an unidentified human intelligence source that provided U.S. authorities with copies of Arabic letters containing details of the Al Qaeda plot.”

Previous news reports, including this AP article, from 2007 dovetail with the DIA documents. Former intelligence officials cited within the report indicate that the information came from France’s foreign intelligence service, and that the information was also directly passed to the CIA.

Several other examples of the US government knowing before 9/11 about detailed Al Qaeda plots to hijack airliners, and even fly them into buildings including the Pentagon, have been recorded. The DIA had detailed information on the German Qaeda cells through its Able Danger program.

The fact that no one within the intelligence community believed bin Laden, living in a cave, could pull off such a plot is telling. Indeed, many Americans believe that he didn’t pull it off, that the plot itself was hijacked and put into operation by rogue elements of US intelligence, in co-operation with Saudi and Israeli counterparts.

The DIA documents represent an important revelation, because they are declassified US government documents that confirm what intelligence insiders have already leaked, thus bolstering previous revelations of government prior knowledge.

Sadly the documents are likely to not be widely reported on by a pathetic mainstream media that in most cases is locked into 24 hour news cycles based on drivel, no longer referencing events that happened a week ago, let alone twelve years ago.

I get off work at 11 I'll Try to respond then cause my responses take a while

As for JFK im leaning towards Oswald being a soviet agent

bandahar was in Washington on 9-11
So was the Pakistani head of ISI

You think they want to be here when the shit hits the fan?

Afghanistan was a totally justifiable war
That's where al Qaeda was and their supporting host government. The taliban

if by watch the shit hit the fan you mean watch their plan unfold, than yes. Members of the Bin Laden family were also here on 9/11, in fact Bush senior was meeting with Osama Bin Ladens brother on 9/11. What a coincidence. George HW Bush who announced the New World Order to the American public exactly 10 years earlier, on September 11th 1991.

ohh if you think that is a conspiracy theory just do 5 seconds of research on the Carlyle group. The Bush's and Bin Laden's have been in business together for a long time.

Oggt do you know how many Wives And children Muhammad Bin Laden had
Osama had 20+ siblings, he was expelled from the family business early on
And then expelled from Saudi Arabia
One of Osamas brothers practically lived in texas before dying in a plane crash in san Antonio in 1988.

Do you blame the unabombers brothers and sisters as well?
They had publicly and privately distanced themselves from bin laden long before 9-11
Everything you are saying, was disclosed by Bush 12 years ago
It's not some big secret you are uncovering
It's public record. Your problem is that you seem to wish we invaded Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabians join al Qaeda and some Saudi Arabian citizens fund al Qaeda

Instead we began monitoring phone and web chatter to monitor the al Qaeda network

Osama bin laden was fighting to overthrow the Saudi royal family
Prince bandahar is one of the best American allies of the last 30 years.
He helped us orchestrate the Oslo accords , has helped us with gas, you may not be able to comprehend this but the Saudi royal family is the reason OPEC hasn't gone to 200 a Harrell
Most importantly he attempted to get mullah Omar to hand over Bin laden to the Saudi royal family before 9-11 happened.
This is fact
Your attempt to paint him as some al Qaeda saboteur shows you really have no clue what you are talking about on this matter, you should think before you make such wild accusations because that man has done a lot for our country. I dont think you realize how dangerous it is for the Saudi royal family to be friends with the united states and yes Israel.
Bin laden declared war on the USA in 1996 by he had been at war
With the Saudi royal family since 1992

Do you know what the Riyadh attacks were ?
It was al qaedas attack on Saudi arabi , making it clear that bin laden was at war with the Saudi royal family.

Your really failing to grasp what happened and who the key players were on both sides.
So far in one day you have praised Putin (the invader of Georgia, former commander of the KGB, suppressor of gays and supplier of Assad)
While making unfounded claims about a true American friend, but because he had a meeting in Washington on 9-11 well that is all the evidence oggy needs i guess

Oggy in all sincerity
The Saudi royal family played no part in 9-11
You have no proof other than meetings between life time Washington diplomats
If you read actual fact based reporting not conspiracy based opinion you would know some of the people you are accusing of being in cahoots with al Qaeda, well they are actually on al Qaedas hit list.

Oggy you make no sense
You say prince bandahar was the Saudi intellegince chief, prince Turki played a key role as well
15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabian
Obviously prince bandahar did 9-11

No Khalid Sheikh Muhammad , the uncle of Ramzi Yousef
Took Ramzis "operation Bojinka" plan and turned it into what Bin Laden referred to as "the planes operation".

Prince bandahar masterminded 9-11? How fuckong off your rocker are you?
Your line of reasoning is illogical at best.
Seriously you drawing te conclusion, well 15 of 19 , Bandahar must have done it
Timothy McVeigh was American did the head of our CIA plan that attack?
3 of the other hijackers was Egyptian and 1 was from united Arab emirates
Did their intelligence leaders also play a role in 9-11?

Dude for the last time al Qaeda was formed August 1988 with the specific goal of overthrowing
Takfir leaders in the Islamic holy places (Saudi arabia mainly) an establish an Islamic caliphate
Attacking the united states didn't come till later down the road
The original goal of bin laden and zawahiri was to overthrow the Saudi royal family in Saudi arabi
And Mubarak in Egypt. Attacking USA propaganda didn't come until the Saudi royal family hosted our military in the first gulf war

To claim the Saudi royal family is a part of al Qaeda, is to ignore facts and reality.

Oggy I get it you don't understand history

Muhammad bin laden became a hero to Saudi Arabia when he created a highway
Where no one thought it was possible
The Saudi royal family brought Muhammad bin laden into the fold and rewarded him with huge contracts, he web did work in the golden mosque, one of the holiest sites in Islam (home of the kabab)

His family and numerous children inherited massive amounts of money
Osama is the Saudi person with connections to the Saudi royal family that your bold text was referring to. But Osama had been expelled from Saudi Arabia and had all of his money and assets frozen by the Saudi royal family. He was ostracized from the bin laden family when his eldest either essentially cut him off from the Saudi bin laden company (all this is early 90s)
Te bin ladens are extremely close to te Saudi royal family they are essentially royalty
Because one of Muhammad bin ladens 28 kids went off and became a religious but job. Well that's not surprising , the fact that Saudi Arabia and te bin laden family expelled Osama and attempted to arrest him should make it clear what their relationship was.

Sorry dude
You are flat out wrong and anyone with a small understanding of al Qaeda knows it.
Seriously oggy claiming bin laden and the Saudi royal family are working together
Is an easily disaprovable conspiracy theory
Problem is you draw absurd conclusions and grasp to bullshit anti American rhetoric and propaganda
Seriously dude read some books

If you had read the exchanges between prince Turki and mullah Omar over bin laden, you would realize how foolish you look making these unfounded claims.
I have public record backing my position up

Turki interview

Turki: I had come to pressure him to go ahead with the extradition, and I encountered a completely transformed Omar. He was extremely nervous, perspired, and even screamed at me. He denied that he had promised us he would extradite bin Laden, and wanted nothing to do with a joint committee. He wanted to know what had possessed us to want to arrest such an illustrious holy warrior as Osama bin Laden! And why we didn't prefer to free the world of the infidels! He was furious. I could not help but think that we might have been taking drugs. When he continued to insult Saudi Arabia and the royal family, I ended the meeting. I recommended that my government freeze its relations with the Taliban, and that's exactly what happened.

SPIEGEL: Do you believe that Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar are still alive?

Turki: They could've captured bin Laden and Mullah Omar much earlier if so many resources hadn't been pulled out of Afghanistan.

SPIEGEL: Pulled out by the Americans, in the direction of Iraq?

Turki: I am not prepared to assign any blame. However, I do believe that it is possible to find bin Laden, in spite of the many difficulties posed by inaccessible mountainous terrain. And I am in favor of putting him on trial once he has been captured.

SPIEGEL: Will he surrender without a fight, like Saddam Hussein, humiliated in a hole in the ground? Or will be fight to the last shot?

Turki: It's hard to say. But let me tell you a story that bin Laden himself once told an interviewer. He said that when he was fighting with the Mujaheddin, he was once involved in a skirmish near Khost, which is close to the Afghan-Pakistani border. The Russians were attacking with helicopters from the air and tanks on the ground. The fighting continued into the night. Bin Laden, in his own words, curled up in a trench, in the heat of battle, and peacefully fell asleep. When he woke up the battle had ended, and he said that it must have been Allah's angels who turned the tide against the Russians. Does his past behavior indicate that he is particularly brave on the battlefield, cold-blooded, godly? He got a good night's sleep. Does that suggest that he would let himself be humiliated by the Americans, be taken away in handcuffs? I don't know.

SPIEGEL: As a martyr riddled with bullets, wouldn't he be even more dangerous than he is today?

Turki: I don't think so. Al Qaeda is a cult that thrives on the loyalty of its cult members to their idol. Its following has already declined considerably in recent years, even among the dissatisfied in countries with a Muslim orientation. After all, the victims in some of his most recent attacks, such as those in Istanbul and Morocco, were mainly Muslims. If Osama bin Laden is captured and placed on trial, his myth is likely to disappear quickly, and his cult will die off.

SPIEGEL: But the roots of the problems in Saudi Arabia are much deeper than discussions about a single "lost son" can convey. Isn't it true that "charitable organizations" in Riyadh with fundamentalist leanings are still collecting money that ends up in the hands of terrorist organizations? And don't many radical Islamic preachers in the kingdom continue to call for jihad against the West?

Turki: The Americans claimed that terrorists were being funded through certain charitable organizations. We looked into each case individually. Whenever we found any suggestion that this may have been the case, we outlawed the organizations in question. But this only happened in rare instances. Radical mullahs who call for violence are arrested.

Chris Mathews : the sense in this country is that your government has been very smart to
Sort of buy off the younger generation, give them money to go proselytize across the world and do their dirty work, while you leave them alone. Your paying them protection money .

prince Bandahar: you know what, this is bullshit

Of the alleged 19 hijackers, 15 were Saudis. CIA sources have confirmed testimony from Michael Springman, the former head of the US Visa Bureau in Jeddah, about the Saudi “muscle hijackers”: They were CIA agents, presumably with a background in Saudi intelligence, who came to America on CIA “snitch visas.” These were special visas that the CIA offered as a reward to Saudis who spied for the US. (Saudi Intelligence is so closely connected to the CIA that it is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins.)

While living in the US, the future alleged 9/11 hijackers lived charmed lives. They trained at secure US military facilities, including Pensacola Naval Air Station, where Mohamed Atta was a regular partier at the officers' club, and Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama. Two of the alleged hijackers received regular checks totaling tens of thousands of dollars from Prince Bandar and his wife, funneled through US-Saudi intelligence asset Omar al-Bayoumi.

Immediately after 9/11, all air traffic in the US was grounded. The only planes allowed to fly were special private jets that Bush and Cheney arranged to fly Bandar, along with Bin Laden family members and other Saudi suspects, out of the country before they could be interrogated by the FBI.

Evidence suggests that Prince Bandar has been the operations chief of al-Qaeda, the CIA data-base of its Arab legion of mujahideen fighters, ever since the Afghan war of the 1980s. It is these CIA-supported, Mossad-supported al-Qaeda fighters that Bandar commands today in Syria.

In short, it is Bandar Bush, Prince of Terrorists - not the well-meaning dupe Osama Bin Laden, or the shrill ideologue al-Zawahiri - who has always been the real commander of the Western intelligence operation known as “al-Qaeda.”

Ogfy cant wrap his head around the fact that al Qaeda has been at war with the Saudi royal family lOnger than he has been at war with the US

Keep ignoring facts and spouting unprovable conspiracy theories

The CIA did not do 9-11
The Saudi royal family did not do 9-11
Al Qaeda did

You need to educate yourself oggy

Oggy will always have his fingers in his ears. Half the shot he says is just lies and the other half is conspiracy crap that nobody can prove right or wrong. I have some to the conclusion that Oggy went batshit crazy within the last two years.

Al Qaeda threatening Iran over 9-11 inside job claim

That's dubya dressed up as Iran's president! Saudi Arabia paid for the prosthetic mask and the CIA made it. Nothing to see here...