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PostSubject: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyWed Sep 11, 2013 12:31 pm

Poll: More Americans Believe WTC 7 Was Demolished than Believe the Government’s Explanation

What Do You Believe?

Washington’s Blog
September 11, 2013

Preface: Americans have learned in the past decade that our government lied to us about:

- Iraq weapons of mass destruction ( http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/11/everyone-knew-that-iraq-didnt-have-wmds.html  &  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/18/panorama-iraq-fresh-wmd-claims )

- The case for war against Syria ( http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/syria-intelligence-being-manipulated-exactly-like-iraq.html  &  http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/point-by-point-rebuttal-of-u-s-case-for-war-in-syria.html )

- Its involvement in false flag terror in Iran in the 1950s -  ( http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/08/cia-admits-it-helped-overthrow-the-democratically-elected-government-of-iran-in-1953.html )

- Pervasive spying by the NSA - ( http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/08/you-wont-believe-whats-going-on-with-government-spying-on-americans.html )

- Manipulation of the markets by big banks -( http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/07/big-banks-manipulated-energy-markets-in-california-and-the-midwest-ripping-off-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-9-months.html )

- And various other important topics - ( http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/07/when-bad-government-policy-leads-to-bad-results-the-government-manipulates-the-data-instead-of-correcting-the-policy.html )


But do Americans think that the government lied about 9/11?

A new poll shows that they do. At least about World Trade Center Building 7.

We’re not talking about the Twin Towers … although Building 7 was part of the same complex. No planes hit Building 7, no one was killed when Building 7 fell, no wars were launched on the basis of Building 7, and no civil rights were lost because of the destruction of Building 7.

In other words, Building 7 is a “safe topic” we can discuss without heated emotion. And numerous high-level architects and engineers have already debunked the government’s claims.

Following is a press release from ReThink911 and Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth – a group of more than 2,000 architects and engineers – concerning a new poll by YouGov.

How would you answer the poll questions?


On the 12th anniversary of 9/11, a new national survey by the polling firm YouGov reveals that one in two Americans have doubts about the government’s account of 9/11, and after viewing video footage of World Trade Center Building 7’s collapse, 46% suspect that it was caused by a controlled demolition. Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon on 9/11.

The poll was sponsored by ReThink911, a global public awareness campaign launched on September 1. The campaign includes a 54-foot billboard in Times Square and a variety of transit and outdoor advertising in 11 other cities, all posing the question, “Did you know a third tower fell on 9/11?”

Among the poll’s findings:

- 38% of Americans have some doubts about the official account of 9/11, 10% do not believe it at all, and 12% are unsure about it;

- 46%, nearly one in two, are not aware that a third tower collapsed on 9/11. Of those who are aware of Building 7’s collapse, only 19% know the building’s name;

- After seeing video footage of Building 7′s collapse:

- 46% are sure or suspect it was caused by controlled demolition, compared to 28% who are sure or suspect fires caused it, and 27% who don’t know; [in other words, more people think controlled demolition than believe the government's narrative]

- By a margin of nearly two to one, 41% support a new investigation of Building 7′s collapse, compared to 21% who oppose it.

30-Second Video Shown to 1,194 Survey Respondents:




“The poll shows quite clearly what we already knew. Most people who see Building 7’s collapse have trouble believing that fires brought it down,” said Richard Gage, a member of the American Institute of Architects and founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the campaign’s major sponsor. “It simply doesn’t look like a natural building collapse, and that’s because all the columns have been removed at once to allow it to come down symmetrically in free-fall. The evidence of controlled demolition is overwhelming. As more and more people learn about Building 7, public demand for a new investigation grows. People want the truth.”

According to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), normal office fires caused the failure of a single column, starting a chain reaction that brought Building 7 down. More than 2,000 architects and engineers have signed the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth petition that questions NIST’s explanation of the building’s collapse.

“Even the government’s own computer model disproves its theory. It looks nothing like the actual collapse,” said Tony Szamboti, a mechanical engineer from the Philadelphia area. “Not only that, they refuse to release the data that would allow us to verify their model. In the world of science, this is as bad as it gets. I’m glad most people can look at the collapse and see the obvious.”

The ReThink911 campaign calls for a new investigation into Building 7’s collapse, as well as the destruction of the Twin Towers. The YouGov poll and the ad campaign were financed with more than $225,000 in donations from thousands of supporters.

All figures, unless otherwise stated, are from YouGov Plc. Total sample size was 1194 adults. Fieldwork was undertaken between 27th – 29th August 2013. The survey was carried out online. The figures have been weighted and are representative of all US adults (aged 18+).

- Press Release: New Poll Finds Most Americans Open to Alternative 9/11 Theories (PDF)

- Download a Summary of the Poll Results (PDF)

- Download the Full Poll Results (EXCEL)


This article was posted: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 at 6:11 am





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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyWed Sep 11, 2013 1:00 pm

Anyone that thinks 9-11 was done by Americans is a fucking moron. All there is to that.

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Anyone that thinks 9-11 was done by Americans is a fucking moron. All there is to that.
lol great intellectual argument. Zombies who act like this are the reason the establishment is still trying to push new wars on us, the reason why we are giving up our rights, and the reason why the rest of the world hates self absorbed egomaniac Americans.

but yea, I just like to call people fucking morons on topics I have never researched for myself because they don't think like me.
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RIP to all of those who have senselessly died in 9/11, and in all the wars and attacks before and after.
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No point arguing with sheep Oggy.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyWed Sep 11, 2013 2:34 pm

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No point arguing with sheep Oggy.
Yeah a Muslim wants to blame the Americans. Stay out of it.

I'm sick of the fucking retards with this conspiracy theory. That shit got old a long time ago and if you really buy into that theory, I think you are just anti-American pro-propaganda attention whore.

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyWed Sep 11, 2013 2:40 pm

Never researched? It's people that dig dig dig dig to find all the "information" they can that need to shut their fucking mouth because the "information" you have is in no way shape or form more valid then that given to the public. If you are really dumb enough to think that the "truth" wouldn't have been leaked out and verified by now then you are just wishing too hard that America was behind it. Just because you WANT it to be true so bad doesn't mean it is. I'm tired of this argument. These conspiracy theorist are the scum of the Earth and yes, fucking morons.

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyWed Sep 11, 2013 2:50 pm

9/11 conspiracy theorist has to be the most annoying person on Earth.

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyWed Sep 11, 2013 2:50 pm

what I love is that OU, a Bush supporter if I remember correctly, acts like he is offended and outraged when I bring this up. If you really cared as much as you are trying to portray here you could take some time out of your day to actually do your own research, to take emotion out of it, and look at the facts. Rather than just accept what you are told by the media.

Scum of the earth? Because we seek the truth? What does that say about you bud?

What is funny is that you actually think you are a patriot because you are a good ol' boy who never questions government. If you knew what principles America was actually founded on, strict limited government, maximum freedom and individual liberty, and an understanding the greatest threat to humanity is an all powerful government that dismisses the will of the people it is supposed to represent in favor of controlling them systematically, if you actually understood what it even means to be an American patriot, then you would not be so aggressive in attacking "conspiracy theorists" like 1st responders, veterans, architects, engineers, and family members of the victims of 911 who are a large part of continuing to ask questions about 911.

So if you feel proud to call victims family members, first responders, and military members "fucking morons" than shame on you. I feel sorry for you, so much hate, so much confusion, all aimed at true patriots who understand what it means to be American.
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This thread is in bad taste and I will trash it.

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do it and i'll never post here again.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyWed Sep 11, 2013 2:54 pm

On a day of reflections you are a POS for dragging these events through the mud. You post your conspiracy theories then have the nerve to honor the victims of this event? Shame on me?

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wow OU. Can't believe I once thought you were a cool, even tempered down to earth guy. This forum is pathetic now because of people like you. So sad Ninja ever let you have access to running this site, at one time it actually had potential.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyWed Sep 11, 2013 2:58 pm

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wow OU. Can't believe I once thought you were a cool, even tempered down to earth guy. This forum is pathetic now because of people like you. So sad Ninja ever let you have access to running this site, at one time it actually had potential.
Run what site? It's death is far from my fault. I contributed more to it's life and prolonged life then anyone. Where were you when it mattered? Thought I was cool? This is the kind of thread you make to "honor" the victims? Mirror.

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyWed Sep 11, 2013 3:01 pm

dude you crossed the line. really sad to see you resort to this, Completely over the top. You should not be an admin on this site, at all.

later, freak. don't let the haters bring you down bro.
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dude you crossed the line. really sad to see you resort to this, Completely over the top. You should not be an admin on this site, at all.

later, freak. don't let the haters bring you down bro.
Fuck you, when I was made Admin there were no other active admins. I kept the ball rolling. I did far more then you ever did for this place. You stopped contributing to the MMA threads a long time ago. Anyone that thinks my overall contributions here is negative doesn't know what they are talking about.

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyWed Sep 11, 2013 9:19 pm

OU, no one else is complaining about this being in bad taste. Just because it doesn't agree with your personal taste doesn't make it in bad taste.
You are a good admin but sometimes you make it too personal and abuse your power.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyThu Sep 12, 2013 7:47 am

Distinguished U.S Marine Stands Up for American People and 9/11 Truth

One of those "scum of the earth" "fucking moron" 911 truthers, who happens to be a heavily decorated combat veteran who was wounded in combat, doing what real patriots, real americans do, seeking the truth and standing up for what is right.

Im sure you are a better man than him, right OU?

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyThu Sep 12, 2013 7:58 am

talk shit about 'truthers' now. 'Truthers' happen to be both active duty and military veterans, first responders, NYPD, NYFD, Architects, Engineers, Pilots, Demolition experts, victims family members, and anyone else even half conscious with some god damn common sense.

Anyone who turns their back on these people, doesn't even give them the time of day and hear them out after all they have gave for this country, is unpatriotic, un-American, and a sorry excuse for a human being.

Before you go around calling people "scum of the earth", "the worst kind of person", and "fucking morons", for simply questioning the establishment's account of what happened, when multiple people involved in writing the 911 commission report have come out and said the investigation was a sham, being blocked by the Pentagon and intelligence agencies from the get go, then you really have to look in the mirror and see if YOU are not the problem, the scumbag putting down all these people simply because you are too dumb and lazy to look into things for yourself, to think rationally, free of emotion. You'd rather just accept every lie you've been told because it's easier for you to be told what to think rather than think for yourself.




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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyThu Sep 12, 2013 8:21 am

look how much our government cares about the 1st responders.. about as much as OU...




but remember, our government told us the air was "safe to breathe", so we better not question that or anything else the government has ever said because then we could be labeled 'scum of the Earth and yes, fucking morons.'
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyThu Sep 12, 2013 8:27 am

another "fucking moron" who lost his son on 911

Father of 9/11 Victim: The Commission Was a Sham

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WT7 was brought down by Al Queda.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyThu Sep 12, 2013 11:47 am

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WT7 was brought down by Al Queda.
and you base that opinion on what? And are you suggesting Al Qaeda placed explosives in the building? Because if so, you are just as guilty as being a "conspiracy theorist" because the official story goes "normal office fires" brought this building down. If you believe anything other than that you are a crazy un-American scum of the earth fucking moron.. apparently.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 - 12 years later   9/11 - 12 years later EmptyThu Sep 12, 2013 11:53 am

Al Queda didn't place explosives, they flew two bigass planes into two buildings. Then those buildings collapsed. The fire, hurricane force winds, and earthquakelike shaking did damage to surrounding buildings. Oh yeah....fire also helped.
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