Nick Diaz vs. Marius Zaromskis at Strikeforce: Miami

If Diaz gets hurt they should replace him with Che Mills, just to scare Zaro.

Nick has won his last 5 fights. 4 of them by (T)KO, the other was by way of submission after beating Scott Smith down. So when one says his striking is more of an annoyance then a power game, that person is not looking at results. And I admit that when watching Nick it does look like his striking lacks pop, but soon enough, in most of his fights, the opposition goes down.

Diaz's last 5 opponents, Inoue, Corbbrey, Denny, Shamrock and Smith, a bunch of maybe lower B and C level fighters, Marius is legit.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Diaz's last 5 opponents, Inoue, Corbbrey, Denny, Shamrock and Smith, a bunch of maybe lower B and C level fighters, Marius is legit.

Are your saying Marius is an A level fighter?
Are you also of the belief that Nick's striking is merely an annoyance?

And Diaz has also ko'd Fickett, Tibau and Lawler, amongst others.

I didn't comment about his triking at all, just that Marius is a lot better than any of his last 5 opponents. And not speaking of striking, but opponents, those 3 aren't very impressive, I've always thought Lawler was overrated, Fickett is like 0 for his last 10, or pretty close, and Tibau? I'm simply talking about Nick hasn't been fighting opponents of Marius's caliber.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

I didn't comment about his triking at all, just that Marius is a lot better than any of his last 5 opponents. And not speaking of striking, but opponents, those 3 aren't very impressive, I've always thought Lawler was overrated, Fickett is like 0 for his last 10, or pretty close, and Tibau? I'm simply talking about Nick hasn't been fighting opponents of Marius's caliber.

Well mine was a response to a post above(which said Nick's striking is more annoyance then power game), but I didn't quote it.

And at the time Fickett was on an 8 fight win streak including a win over Flo.

And I'd put Tibau up against many of the guys that Marius has been fighting, guy is 6-3 in the UFC.

In terms of his striking, it's an effective annoyance, because it eventually just builds up on his opponents, but he hasn't fought a really talented technical strikers lately which can expose it.

In terms of his striking, it's an effective annoyance, because it eventually just builds up on his opponents, but he hasn't fought a really talented technical strikers lately which can expose it.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

In terms of his striking, it's an effective annoyance, because it eventually just builds up on his opponents, but he hasn't fought a really talented technical strikers lately which can expose it.

If we are talking opponents, I see all of one worthwhile opponent on marius's scorecard.

I disagree cap.

Jason High is not shabby and he'll beat some good guys at WW when he wakes up.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

I disagree cap.

Jason High is not shabby and he'll beat some good guys at WW when he wakes up.

Haven't seen him, but I do see Heiron beat him. Can't see him holding a candle to Lawler. But his record is decent.

And im not hating on Marius. I think this fight will be sweet. Im just arguing against the "Nicks striking is more annoyance then power game" statement which judging by Nick's performances across multiple weight classes looks like bunk.

I know Kings right, High is actually a better opponent then anyone Nick has beaten since Gomi, and for sure Mach is. I'm talkin like his, you think Nick has great striking(it is pretty good), but his last oppenets had horrible striking in terms of technical striking ability. Marius has legit standup, if Nick keeps it standing he's in for a long day. Remember the Noons fight?

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

I know Kings right, High is actually a better opponent then anyone Nick has beaten since Gomi, and for sure Mach is. I'm talkin like his, you think Nick has great striking(it is pretty good), but his last oppenets had horrible striking in terms of technical striking ability. Marius has legit standup, if Nick keeps it standing he's in for a long day. Remember the Noons fight?

Ha, just mentioned the Noons fight above. But I don't see Marius's striking to be at all similar to Noons, thus I don't see it being overly relevant.

nor did i say Nick has great standup(I've laid out my argument pretty clearly on multiple occasions).

And shamrock does not have terrible technical striking.

captain organic wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

I know Kings right, High is actually a better opponent then anyone Nick has beaten since Gomi, and for sure Mach is. I'm talkin like his, you think Nick has great striking(it is pretty good), but his last oppenets had horrible striking in terms of technical striking ability. Marius has legit standup, if Nick keeps it standing he's in for a long day. Remember the Noons fight?

Ha, just mentioned the Noons fight above. But I don't see Marius's striking to be at all similar to Noons, thus I don't see it being overly relevant.

nor did i say Nick has great standup(I've laid out my argument pretty clearly on multiple occasions).

And shamrock does not have terrible technical striking.

Ok bro?

The point in brining up Noons is he has pretty good standup, better than any of Nicks last opponents, who are all quite sloppy, the comparison being obvious, that Marius is a very good striker, the more talented strikers make Nicks style way less effective.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

captain organic wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

I know Kings right, High is actually a better opponent then anyone Nick has beaten since Gomi, and for sure Mach is. I'm talkin like his, you think Nick has great striking(it is pretty good), but his last oppenets had horrible striking in terms of technical striking ability. Marius has legit standup, if Nick keeps it standing he's in for a long day. Remember the Noons fight?

Ha, just mentioned the Noons fight above. But I don't see Marius's striking to be at all similar to Noons, thus I don't see it being overly relevant.

nor did i say Nick has great standup(I've laid out my argument pretty clearly on multiple occasions).

And shamrock does not have terrible technical striking.

Ok bro?

The point in brining up Noons is he has pretty good standup, better than any of Nicks last opponents, who are all quite sloppy, the comparison being obvious, that Marius is a very good striker, the more talented strikers make Nicks style way less effective.

Noons and Zaromskis are totally different style's of strikers, do you expect Marius to be a counter puncher in this upcoming fight? The comparison should not even be brought into this discussion.

And are you really saying Shamrock has terrible technical striking? Terrible? He may not be on Ho Bae's level(sarcasm) but it's certainly not terrible.

Not good that's for sure, and he's washed up

And bro, did I ever compare their styles? I compared the fact that they are both better technical strikers than any of Nicks recent last opponents, certainly not on Thomas Denny's level though (sarcasm)

Not good that's for sure, and he's washed up

And bro, did I ever compare their styles? I compared the fact that they are both better technical strikers than any of Nicks recent last opponents, certainly not on Thomas Denny's level though (sarcasm)

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Not good that's for sure, and he's washed up

And bro, did I ever compare their styles? I compared the fact that they are both better technical strikers than any of Nicks recent last opponents, certainly not on Thomas Denny's level though (sarcasm)

But if a guy is exposed by a counter punching boxer, I don't see the relevance when fighting an aggressive K1 style fighter.

He was exposed by a better striker, Nick's striking has looked good recently against sloppy or untalented strikers, Marius is a very talented striker

ChaoscamelWV wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

I don't know shit about this Zaromskis guy. All I know is I'm hoping to see the gogo too oggy

So basically if Nick watches out for the headkick he'll beat this guy no problem? All I see in that guy is alot of flash. Or that's just what the highlight showed. LMAO at the part where he's standing and other dudes on the ground and he backflips, I don't know what he was doing it just looked stupid as hell, why is that a highlight? Anyway based of the little info and fight highlights on this guy I think Nick is gonna crush this guy

What you should've seen is that this guy is a an extremely explosive striker, has a rock chin, and is more athletically gifted than Diaz. Every opponent that Cro Cop decapitated only had to worry about the headkick. Not saying he is a K-1 level striker, but he kicked Sakurai's face off, and let's be honest, Diaz is no Sakurai. In the sakurai fight, Zarmoskis took some straight clean shots and kept coming, flying kicks, knees, etc. Diaz's boxing is more of an annoyance than it is a power game, I highly doubt Diaz's approach against scott smith is going to work. Thirdly, Zarmoskis athleticism. He performed three standing backflips after a fight effortlessly, then performed another. The guy has speed, agility, and is an extremely skilled kickboxer. Just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean that he isn't extremely talented. Diaz has to take him to the ground, or else he's not going to win this fight. Period

Diaz beats Sakurai

1. The Noons fight was a while ago, Diaz is much better now.
2. Marius is a much different style of striker. European kickboxing and pro-boxing are very different in a lot of ways.
3. Marius is a European cracka ass Kickboxer. His BJJ and wrestling are going to remain huge question marks. Diaz may be high, but he isn't dumb.
4. Marius record isn't amazing yet and the guy himself is just now past the "prospect" stage. Diaz' opponents are significantly better. I find it hard to believe there is even a strength of schedule debate here.



Diaz may be less than trustworthy coming off this stint where his head seems out of the game, but 9/10 times this ends in a submission.

I think Zaro is being held to high .. I mean he is ranked 8 in the ninjas place WW rankings .. some people even had him up to 5 ... I didnt even have him in the top 10..

I looked over him in the dream tourny.. and I am going to do it again in this fight..

nick finishes this fight on the ground.

nick diaz beats everyone from the GP.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

1. The Noons fight was a while ago, Diaz is much better now.
2. Marius is a much different style of striker. European kickboxing and pro-boxing are very different in a lot of ways.
3. Marius is a European cracka ass Kickboxer. His BJJ and wrestling are going to remain huge question marks. Diaz may be high, but he isn't dumb.
4. Marius record isn't amazing yet and the guy himself is just now past the "prospect" stage. Diaz' opponents are significantly better. I find it hard to believe there is even a strength of schedule debate here.



Diaz may be less than trustworthy coming off this stint where his head seems out of the game, but 9/10 times this ends in a submission.

The point was that Noons and Marius are a lot more talented strikers then Nick's last 5 opponents, and his pitter pat style won't be as effective against more talented strikers, no comparison to style, but talent level. Since he lost to Noons, who isn't even that good, he may have improve, but it's tough to say with the 5 shwag fighters he faced, Mach is certainly better than any of them, don't talked about Shamrock, him and Linland should throwdown in a washup showdown. Obviously Nick wins easily if he takes it to the ground, but I'm picking Marius here.

Shamrock would destroy anyone in this discussion period without broken ribs. Dude had no business fighting at all. The Sham that killed Baroni and battled Le would run Nick Diaz. Not even on the same level.

That said, regardless of the talent of Nick's last five opponents, the talent of all Marius opponents leaves much to be desired.