Dirk Nowitzki vs. Kevin Garnett

People need to realize that basketball is more than just making big shots. Defense is 50% of the game. Dirk is an awful defender and KG kills him on that end. The difference between then in defense is bigger than the difference in offense.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Marion, Kidd, Stoyk, Terry.... Bunch of pro vets. You think KG had to be the only option on a championship team? He doesn't. He's doing more than just getting points in that series and every game he plays. He facilitates his entire team on both sides.

KG = Better at basketball than Dirk. Live the moment all you like, that's what it's for, but KG is better.

YOUR MISSING A KEY THING

Dirk does everything you just said KG does, he makes everyone around him better and is a master at running our offense, our pick and roll is a beast, and DIRK HAS LONG RANGE, MID RANGE,and holy shit , HES ADDED A POST GAME.

Your missing the big picture

KG went to 2 NBA Finals with multiple HOF'ers on his team and was not the main man on those teams

Dirk has been to 2 NBA Finals with 1 HOF'er at the end of his career, won Finals MVP, scored 20 K points, and a season MVP.

Dirk has over 500 career playoff points and has shot over 50% from the field! Know how many people have done that?

Duncan, Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Shaq, The Dream, Dr. J and James Worthy. ANd oh ya, Dirk Nowitzki

freakzilla wrote:

People need to realize that basketball is more than just making big shots. Defense is 50% of the game. Dirk is an awful defender and KG kills him on that end. The difference between then in defense is bigger than the difference in offense.

the difference in this is that Nowitzki is a once in a life time 7 foot shooting phenom that greats like Jordan, Barkley, Kobe and Bird can recognize.

Some people on the other hand,.....


10 All Star Appearances, a ring, MVP, Finals MVP

Neither the Mavs or Heat would've beat the Celtics or the Lakers from the 2008 finals.

Why are the 2008 Lakers better than the 2011 Lakers who were the two time defending champions and the far away favorite to win the west again?

People are acting like the Lakers were so much better then with no fuckin evidence whatsoever...not only that..the Lakers didnt even have Andrew Bynum in that series.

People are acting like 2008 Lakers were so great just to pump up the championship Celtics and help their case with KG...no other reason than that. The Lakers were in no way better in 2008 than they were this season. In 2008 they only had a half season with Pau Gasol, no Andrew Bynum, and Lamar Odom had not even discovered a defined role with the team yet. This is just horse shit how people are acting like a deeper, more talented, not to mention HEALTHY Lakers team could not even win a fuckin game against Dallas yet, their hobbled, low chemistry team in 2008(and it showed in the finals) got to the finals would somehow, through some magical matchup problem eraser tha didnt exist is somehow better than this years Dallas team. Lakers were missing Bynum big time in the finals that year.

and please don't sell me that basketball wives fucking up Pau Gasol or Kobe didnt care bullshit..they would have had the same matchup problems in 2008, 2009, 2010, as they had this year with this same Dallas team in postseason, which is about matchups. Their forwards can't guard Nowitzki and their guards are too slow to defend Dallas's quick guard, and Dallas has enough size to match their size...what was different about the Lakers roster in 2008..other than the fact they didnt have one of their most important players in Andrew Bynum..and thats a huge minus and does not help your arguement. Also..looking at the Lakers road to the finals that year...other than the Spurs...not all that impressive.

Kobe was a better player then than now and he was hungrier. Also Gasol was basically non-existent these playoffs.

Thats a load of shit. Yeah, Kobe was not hungry for his 6th ring and second repeat...and he's declined soooo much since 2008. Nice freak..i expected that. You failed to touch on the fact that the Lakers did not have Andrew Bynum in the 2008 postseason...he was pretty important then, as he is now.

Gasol was non-existant in the 2008 finals...so was Odom.

I guess it's just a coincidence that the two guys(Gasol and Odom) who took turns getting humbled by Dirk Nowitzki failed to produce on the offensive end against Dallas as well. That was more Gasol's failed engagement and Odom's reality show than it was Dirk Nowitzki and guys like Chandler and Haywood, right? You ever heard of putting in a lot of effort on the defensive end taking away from the offense? it does. They were thrown out of their game by the fact that Dirk was humiating them. It showed when Odom took a cheap shot at Nowitzki. I'm guessing Derek Fisher was much faster and better at defending quicker guards like Barea and Terry in 2008 as well, not having Bynum would not play much a factor against a large team like Dallas, and the Lakers had the depth to match this years Mavs team in 2008?

You could have just said the Celtics team that year would have beat the Mavs team this year and matchups suggest they probably would have...but to just randomly throw out the Lakers sans Andrew Bynum...still can't guard Nowitzki, still can't guard Barea and Terry, still can't match the depth. No way was the 2008 Lakers better than the world championship Mavs...and i'm sure i can find plenty of Lakers fans who would agree that the 2008 Lakers would lose to the 2011 Mavericks.

GDP was doing just fine making a case for Kevin Garnett without you makin silly claims like "the 2008 Lakers would easily beat this Mavs championship team"

I didn't say they would do it easy. I just said the Lakers would've won and they would've. The 2008 Celtics team would've beaten both this years finalists easy. I hate Kobe and the Lakers so it's not from a fan, I'm just being realistic. This Mavs team is the worst to be champions of the past 20 years.

Yet you offer zero good reason matchup wise, why the 2008 Lakers would beat the 2011 Dallas Mavericks...typical.

You ignore the matchups, even the subtraction of Bynum who was the only consistant front court player for the Lakers against Dallas in favor of BS like Kobe was not hungry and is not as good, and Gasol didnt show up while giving Dallas no credit for that.

Dallas were not as good these past few years as they were this year obviously, and the Lakers would beat those teams...but it's unfortunate the Lakers had eluded them for so long in the playoffs because we would have been able to see all the matchup problems Dallas could cause even before the addition of guys like Tyson Chandler, Haywood, and Peja. The Lakers even at their best, struggled with quick guards..Dirk in that zone would destroy the 2008 deer in the headlights Gasol as he destroyed the two time champion Gasol...and no Bynum? checkmate dude. Not even close.

I'm not totally sure why Boston-LA went 6 that year..Celtics probably could have fineshed them in 5, but remember the Celtics that year went 7 with Atlanta, 7 with Cleveland, and 6 with Detroit. They werent the model of consistancy that postseason and a lot of time had trouble putting points on the board...the Lakers were highly flawed in 2008 and outside of Kobe and Fishoutofwater inexperienced heading into that series...and the green guys like Gasol and Odom proved last year that it wasnt just the boss defense of the Celtics putting them down. 2011 Mavs are a better team and a result of winning the title, will go down as a better team then the 2008 LA Lakers..and rightfully so.

Also...do you remember the DEFENSE of the 2008 Lakers? They played horrible team defense. I remember it was the big question about their team carrying over into the next season and thanks to having a healthier Bynum and better team chemistry..they became a better defensive team.

as for the 2011 Heat compared to the 2008 Lakers final team, once again..no Bynum and thats huge when matched up to center challenged Miami...i wouldnt be so sure. In a lot of ways, they are similar..only LeBron was the 2011 version of 2008 Pau Gasol in the finals.

Kobe has not declined by any significant amount. He still may be the best player in the NBA and the Lakers will be contenders again next year without any major changes to their roster except finding a quicker, more athletic PG who can defend and hit open shots...teams have beat down that mismatch for too long. I would take their 2011 team over their 2008 team any day of the week.

I can't pay proper attention to what you write with the greatest ass ever on the screen.

freakzilla wrote:

I didn't say they would do it easy. I just said the Lakers would've won and they would've. The 2008 Celtics team would've beaten both this years finalists easy. I hate Kobe and the Lakers so it's not from a fan, I'm just being realistic. This Mavs team is the worst to be champions of the past 20 years.

Your a MFFL

MoronForFuckinLife!!!!!!!!


didnt the big 3 just butt fuck your Bulls?

freakzilla wrote:

Neither the Mavs or Heat would've beat the Celtics or the Lakers from the 2008 finals.

piss and moan much?

freakzilla wrote:

I didn't say they would do it easy. I just said the Lakers would've won and they would've. The 2008 Celtics team would've beaten both this years finalists easy. I hate Kobe and the Lakers so it's not from a fan, I'm just being realistic. This Mavs team is the worst to be champions of the past 20 years.

Birdofthad wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Neither the Mavs or Heat would've beat the Celtics or the Lakers from the 2008 finals.

piss and moan much?

Piss and moan? I'm happy the Mavs won it.

Birdofthad wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

I didn't say they would do it easy. I just said the Lakers would've won and they would've. The 2008 Celtics team would've beaten both this years finalists easy. I hate Kobe and the Lakers so it's not from a fan, I'm just being realistic. This Mavs team is the worst to be champions of the past 20 years.

Your a MFFL

MoronForFuckinLife!!!!!!!!


didnt the big 3 just butt fuck your Bulls?

So Bird goes from being a nice guy to a cock head now just because the Mavs won?

dont worry it only lasts about a week, sorry bro but anyone that tries to belittle this championship is gonna get Drunk Face Bird hardcore
still love ya

GO MAVS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

freakzilla wrote:

I didn't say they would do it easy. I just said the Lakers would've won and they would've. The 2008 Celtics team would've beaten both this years finalists easy. I hate Kobe and the Lakers so it's not from a fan, I'm just being realistic. This Mavs team is the worst to be champions of the past 20 years.

what is this based on? Mav's have been a top level team for years. Dirk was flat phenomanal in the finals and the playoffs, and has an excellent career resume. The Mav's have a very nice mix of offense and defense. They swept the defending champs They just beat a team loaded with superstars in the finals. Nothing points to this team being relatively weak in relation to other recent champs.

I doubt if the Heat had won, or the Lakers, or even the Celts or Thunder, you would have made such a comment.

As far as the OT. I'd prob go Dirk.


It's arguable as to whether KG was the most important player on their title team, while with Dirk there is no such argument. Without question Dirk was the Mav's best player.

I think KG is the more complete player, he's a good offensive player and an excellent defensive player, as well as a better rebounder. While Dirk is not much of a defensive player, and is a so-so rebounder for his size, but Dirk is clearly the better offensive player, and just went through one of the best clutch runs ive ever seen, and at the end of the day it's about putting points on the board, especially big points.

Yeah Freak is right is warning of becoming a prisoner of the moment, prior to this run, Id think KG would have the clear edge, but the run did happen, and Dirk was awesome.

and kings is also right in saying that Dirk has more left in the tank. I think Dirk creates some space in this argument.

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

I didn't say they would do it easy. I just said the Lakers would've won and they would've. The 2008 Celtics team would've beaten both this years finalists easy. I hate Kobe and the Lakers so it's not from a fan, I'm just being realistic. This Mavs team is the worst to be champions of the past 20 years.

what is this based on? Mav's have been a top level team for years. Dirk was flat phenomanal in the finals and the playoffs, and has an excellent career resume. The Mav's have a very nice mix of offense and defense. They swept the defending champs They just beat a team loaded with superstars in the finals. Nothing points to this team being relatively weak in relation to other recent champs.

I doubt if the Heat had won, or the Lakers, or even the Celts or Thunder, you would have made such a comment.

Name a champion from the previous 20 years that the Mavs would beat in a 7 game series?

to say the Mavs are the worst championship team in 20 years in baseless...but i'll bite and say they are at the very least better than the 2006 Miami Heat...hell, the 2006 Mavs were better than the 2006 Heat, but not better than the 2006 Heat + 3.

freakzilla wrote:

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

I didn't say they would do it easy. I just said the Lakers would've won and they would've. The 2008 Celtics team would've beaten both this years finalists easy. I hate Kobe and the Lakers so it's not from a fan, I'm just being realistic. This Mavs team is the worst to be champions of the past 20 years.

what is this based on? Mav's have been a top level team for years. Dirk was flat phenomanal in the finals and the playoffs, and has an excellent career resume. The Mav's have a very nice mix of offense and defense. They swept the defending champs They just beat a team loaded with superstars in the finals. Nothing points to this team being relatively weak in relation to other recent champs.

I doubt if the Heat had won, or the Lakers, or even the Celts or Thunder, you would have made such a comment.

Name a champion from the previous 20 years that the Mavs would beat in a 7 game series?

Lets start with last year, our team jsut crushed that same team. This team kills the 2006 Heat, A couple Spurs team considering Dirks has been money vs them before earlier on our way to a Finals, we coulda fucked with the Rockets teams, seriously you give DIrk no credit, your not acknowledging how fucking unguardable he is,

get ready for it, dun dun dun

we give the Lakers 3 peat team a shit load more trouble than the Pacers, 76ers and Nets did.

Rick Carlisle outcoached every coach he faced in the playoffs as well. If you argue that your just being moronic.

The Mavs would not have touched the Lakers 3 peat team. Shaq at his peak would destroy the Mavs. No way on earth the Mavs would've beat any of the Spurs title teams. The Mavs probably would've only beat the 2006 Heat but no other team.

Birdofthad wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

I didn't say they would do it easy. I just said the Lakers would've won and they would've. The 2008 Celtics team would've beaten both this years finalists easy. I hate Kobe and the Lakers so it's not from a fan, I'm just being realistic. This Mavs team is the worst to be champions of the past 20 years.

what is this based on? Mav's have been a top level team for years. Dirk was flat phenomanal in the finals and the playoffs, and has an excellent career resume. The Mav's have a very nice mix of offense and defense. They swept the defending champs They just beat a team loaded with superstars in the finals. Nothing points to this team being relatively weak in relation to other recent champs.

I doubt if the Heat had won, or the Lakers, or even the Celts or Thunder, you would have made such a comment.

Name a champion from the previous 20 years that the Mavs would beat in a 7 game series?

Lets start with last year, our team jsut crushed that same team. This team kills the 2006 Heat, A couple Spurs team considering Dirks has been money vs them before earlier on our way to a Finals, we coulda fucked with the Rockets teams, seriously you give DIrk no credit, your not acknowledging how fucking unguardable he is,

get ready for it, dun dun dun

we give the Lakers 3 peat team a shit load more trouble than the Pacers, 76ers and Nets did.

Rick Carlisle outcoached every coach he faced in the playoffs as well. If you argue that your just being moronic.

Nah bro you can't use the "We beat last years Champ this year so we're better" angle. That team had played 4 seasons in 3 years, more games in a 3 year period then any team since the 90-94 Bulls, there's a thing in sports called running out of gas. Now credit to the Mavs in that series, but that's a realistic way of looking at it. Then you have Pau Gasol turning into Darco Milicic, and letting the fact that his fiance dumped him effect his game on the court. Also you had Fisher yet another year older....The hunger and fresh legs that they had the previous 3 years would have shown a completely completely different team.


And the 3-Peat Lakers? Dude you joking right?

Bird like never talked ball and is now the biggest fan in history, slow your role bro, you team won congrats, they also got knocked out in the first rd 3 of the previous 4 years, where were you then? The stars alligned, they got it done, we'll see what they do next year.