Do Educators in the USA have the right to remove religious head garb in schools?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

In Sydney last week a girl got suspended because she dyed her hair in many different colours.

What type of religious rights do you have there? Ours are pretty clear, even if low level educators don't fully understand the constitution. I suppose it's natural though for educators to want to enforce as much power as possible, beyond what is allowed in the constitution.

Every religion has basically all the rights they want. Lately though a priest has started a campaign to get the burka banned. The Prime Minister doesn't back that stance though. Over here the current government of Labour (your Democrats) are very fair when it comes to religion. Liberals (your Republicans) are a bit stricter.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Yamakas are not hats.

What happens if your school gets sued by a Jew or Muslim. Would the federal government not join the suit as they did last time?

Soonermark, what would happen is this lawsuit would be brought up and the school would change it's policy effective immediately. It probably wouldn't even last longer than an angry parent's phone call.


Don't duck my question. What happens Monday if you make a Jew take his "hat off"?

What a surprise you are asking me to answer a question we alread covered. Go read the thread.

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

You're just wrong. Just because you got a C average in college and coach a girls basketball team doesn't mean you can change the constitution dude. You and your school are wrong if you really believe that.


What happens ultimately if someone sues your school over that type oppression?

LOL and here comes the insults. LOL
Go ahead and tell me where it says in the constitution that you can wear hats in schools. Please show me?

Sooner that's just not how the Consititution works. Read the Ninth and Tenth Amendements and then you show me where it says one can't.

Answer me what would happen. You're avoiding the issue now. What would happen? This Monday a child has to remove his yamaka in your school, does he have it the next Monday if his parents decide to force the issue?


Stop ducking the question.

Is it mandatory to wear the Yamaka or is it a choice for Jews?

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Is it mandatory to wear the Yamaka or is it a choice for Jews?

im not sure .. but they have the right to wear it, I know that much.

GolbeZ wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

You're just wrong. Just because you got a C average in college and coach a girls basketball team doesn't mean you can change the constitution dude. You and your school are wrong if you really believe that.


What happens ultimately if someone sues your school over that type oppression?

LOL and here comes the insults. LOL
Go ahead and tell me where it says in the constitution that you can wear hats in schools. Please show me?

the 1st amendment...

if this was taken to federal court .. it would be an easy win to change your schools policy.

Golbez thats not the point. Wolf said right now today we would not be allowed and he is wrong besides I already said that.
Golbez I said this at the end of a debate that has already ended like 5 days ago,

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I dont disagree with you on the point you are making here. IF the kid fought it I would not doubt that they would side with the kid. BUT the point I made was right now not ifs and buts. Secondly, If that kid does come in with it on I would probably support him to be honest. I never said I was on the schools side. Hell I usually am not on the schools side. But again I know exactly how this shit works.

He is still pissed about the thread I started that is all this is about. Good luck with your arguments I am out till tonight.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

You're just wrong. Just because you got a C average in college and coach a girls basketball team doesn't mean you can change the constitution dude. You and your school are wrong if you really believe that.


What happens ultimately if someone sues your school over that type oppression?

LOL and here comes the insults. LOL
Go ahead and tell me where it says in the constitution that you can wear hats in schools. Please show me?

Sooner that's just not how the Consititution works. Read the Ninth and Tenth Amendements and then you show me where it says one can't.

I know marble. Wolf doesnt which is my point. He talks out his ass all the time.

GolbeZ wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Is it mandatory to wear the Yamaka or is it a choice for Jews?

im not sure .. but they have the right to wear it, I know that much.

And you would be wrong. If there is not supreme court rulling on the issue then the schools can say they cant.

If you said they would side with the kid, that means you don't have that authority, doesn't it?


Soonermark why is it so hard for you to admit that?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

If you said they would side with the kid, that means you don't have that authority, doesn't it?


Soonermark why is it so hard for you to admit that?

OMG your entire argument was that the schools right now could not take it away and RIGHT NOW they can. Three different people told you that and you still argue and try to get support for your "cause" My god dude its just sad. You really cant let this go can you. Anyways Im out.

My argument was Jews have the right to wear Yamakas in schools. You said they don't have that right. They do.

Soonermark, if you're good at one thing it's changing your position ever so slightly to weasel out of being wrong or having to admit anything.

My point has been proven.

Thank you gentlemen. Hail the constitution.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

My argument was Jews have the right to wear Yamakas in schools. You said they don't have that right. They do.

Soonermark, if you're good at one thing it's changing your position ever so slightly to weasel out of being wrong or having to admit anything.

My point has been proven.

Thank you gentlemen. Hail the constitution.

WOW talking about running away. LMAO

If this were a real debate I'd stick a 20 in your front pocket and ask that you go get some coffee and sober up. If you really insist I continue to chew on your corpse, I can...

If the rule in a school is no hats in school, then it means no hats in the school. A teacher can tell a student to take it off, religious or otherwise.

If a student has a legitimate reason for wearing a hat, he/she can probably talk to the school so an exemption can be made for the student.

The schools can do whatever they want until they are legally mandated to do otherwise (which could take a while to sort out), but I like to think most schools won't require a lawsuit to allow a kid to practice their religion if it does not disrupt their classes.

Do people really believe that we follow the Constitution to the T on a day to day basis?

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If the rule in a school is no hats in school, then it means no hats in the school. A teacher can tell a student to take it off, religious or otherwise.

Not according to the case I posted in this article. Don't encourage this guy.

Sometimes there's no definitive answer to questions, I can understand the different points of view on this issue. My thoughts are "religious garb", whether it's Islamic, Christian or another, really has no place in publically funded schools. Wear it at home, to your church or to a privately funded school.

Ring wrote:

Sometimes there's no definitive answer to questions, I can understand the different points of view on this issue. My thoughts are "religious garb", whether it's Islamic, Christian or another, really has no place in publically funded schools. Wear it at home, to your church or to a privately funded school.

It's also reason 6,217 that while publicly funded schools are a good idea, publicly operated schools are an awful one.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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If the rule in a school is no hats in school, then it means no hats in the school. A teacher can tell a student to take it off, religious or otherwise.

Not according to the case I posted in this article. Don't encourage this guy.

What case? There was no case it was settled out of court. Which means no rulling or mandate was created. Also it was not about a yamaka. You just keep ignoring those facts.

Gumby wrote:

If the rule in a school is no hats in school, then it means no hats in the school. A teacher can tell a student to take it off, religious or otherwise.

If a student has a legitimate reason for wearing a hat, he/she can probably talk to the school so an exemption can be made for the student.

The schools can do whatever they want until they are legally mandated to do otherwise (which could take a while to sort out), but I like to think most schools won't require a lawsuit to allow a kid to practice their religion if it does not disrupt their classes.

Do people really believe that we follow the Constitution to the T on a day to day basis?

You are completely correct sir.

And it just proves the next case would would be settled out of court as well. Being a headscarf, or a yamaka, is incidental if the same policy is questioned.

You overstated your original case. And have had to morph into a different opinion. If a kid really wanted to wear them, he could. You can't admit this why?

This is pulling teeth to get you to admit that. I'm just continuing this at this stage out of sheer morbid curiosity of the pathology of soonermark.

Where in the Constitution does it grant the Feds their current role in education?If people have an issue with the public school system,then look into homeschooling.

WinstonSmith wrote:

Where in the Constitution does it grant the Feds their current role in education?If people have an issue with the public school system,then look into homeschooling.

It clearly isn't an enumerated right. It is also a HORRIBLE idea.

As you stated in an earlier post,education should be a Ninth or Tenth Amendment issue.

Ok marble and winston right now schools do not have to follow what the feds say (the supreme court yes but not the feds). Like with No Child Left Behind. The schools can choose not to follow it but they would have to give up their federal funding. That is the catch to all of this. If you want federal dollars you do what they say if not you can do what you want. Every state can say no to the feds but it would cost. Sad isnt it.