Girl suspended for nose piercing... Claims religious freedom

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Separation of church and state has nothing to do with a student's right to express his own religion. What do you teach? How in the fuck can you not know this?

Yamakas are not "hats" and no school in their right mind would ever ban them. This is one of the stupidest discussions I have ever taken part in.

Further, there are tons of cases where the supreme court rules in favor of religious freedom of expression. Post a shred of evidence.


Go ask somebody with authority in your school. Go.

You dont know shit about this do you? Who pays for our schools? THE STATE DOES. So yes it does wolf.


Yamakas are considered a hat by the schools. I know the law and the court cases wolf maybe you should do some research like I said. Schools are not the same as regular society. They override a ton of rights in order to educate students. So stop talking out of your ass about shit you dont know a damn thing about.

sooners, I destroyed your position with both links. Do some research? Respond to the final two posts then. A Yamaka is a piece religious garb. There is absolutely no right in our society to force someone to take it off. This is America. If you forced a Jew to remove it you'd be out of a job and he'd have his jewhat back in before you could have the chance to embarrass yourself again by speaking out of your ass and going down with another sinking ship.


You can force teachers but NOT STUDENTS. Fruitcake churches like the one in this article are one thing, but burkas, yamakas, and crosses are another thing entirely.
































Where is flea for a classic failboat for this assclown.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

sooners, I destroyed your position with both links. Do some research? Respond to the final two posts then. A Yamaka is a piece religious garb. There is absolutely no right in our society to force someone to take it off. This is America. If you forced a Jew to remove it you'd be out of a job and he'd have his jewhat back in before you could have the chance to embarrass yourself again by speaking out of your ass and going down with another sinking ship.


You can force teachers but NOT STUDENTS. Fruitcake churches like the one in this article are one thing, but burkas, yamakas, and crosses are another thing entirely.
































Where is flea for a classic failboat for this assclown.

Here is the problem. That is not a supreme court rulling which is the only thing that schools have to follow. What you posted is an opinion from the Clinton era. That was 15 years ago Wolf. Its been determined time and time again that if its a distraction the school has the right to remove the distraction in the classroom which includes hats.

I would look it up for you but its late. I am tired and I have to put my kid to bed. Either way Wolf you dont understand how schools are ran and how much power they have on what the students can do and wear. Thats why I said you are talking out of your ass.

Didn't look at religious tolerance link?

Sooner the only reason I wouldn't fully encourage you to remove a kid's yamaka is your wife and kids have done nothing wrong and ruining their lives wouldn't make me feel good.


You're an embarrassment to America though.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Didn't look at religious tolerance link?

Sooner the only reason I wouldn't fully encourage you to remove a kid's yamaka is your wife and kids have done nothing wrong and ruining their lives wouldn't make me feel good.


You're an embarrassment to America though.

Wolf again you have zero clue what you are talking about. I am sorry you have a condition that causes you to talk out of your ass and I understand there is no cure for it. Its ok buddy you will get through this.

BTW your religious tolerance link didnt work when I clicked on it. Now go chase a frisbee into oncoming traffic for us fido.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Further

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sch_clot3.htm


mark I will contact you for payment of my fee regarding today's lesson. I take check, money order or goatsmilk as payment.

At 500 an hour for my tutoring service, my calculations have you owing me 1.2 million dollars, or three million gallons of goatsmilk.

Sooner, for the millionth time, Wolf is a special guy. He's too brilliant to take part in these average discussions. Wolf, let's show them what I'm talking about. You're about to set another world record. Go outside and buy some firecrackers. Listen close because this will be your most dangerous and important feat. Put both firecrackers up each nose. Make sure they're all the way up because you're going to have to run. Now, strip to your boxer shorts and run around "City Hall." Soon the press and the law will come. This is where you'll shine like never before. Light both firecrackers up your nose. Has anyone ever been brilliant or brave enough to do this? HELL NO!!! Another fifteen minutes of fame for the greatest creative genius of the 21st cent. You're the man, Wolf. You're the man.

4445Frank wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Further

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sch_clot3.htm


mark I will contact you for payment of my fee regarding today's lesson. I take check, money order or goatsmilk as payment.

At 500 an hour for my tutoring service, my calculations have you owing me 1.2 million dollars, or three million gallons of goatsmilk.

Sooner, for the millionth time, Wolf is a special guy. He's too brilliant to take part in these average discussions. Wolf, let's show them what I'm talking about. You're about to set another world record. Go outside and buy some firecrackers. Listen close because this will be your most dangerous and important feat. Put both firecrackers up each nose. Make sure they're all the way up because you're going to have to run. Now, strip to your boxer shorts and run around "City Hall." Soon the press and the law will come. This is where you'll shine like never before. Light both firecrackers up your nose. Has anyone ever been brilliant or brave enough to do this? HELL NO!!! Another fifteen minutes of fame for the greatest creative genius of the 21st cent. You're the man, Wolf. You're the man.

LOL

In France you can't wear a Yamaka, Cross or Scarf in class. That's too extreme.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

In France you can't wear a Yamaka, Cross or Scarf in class. That's too extreme.

LOL the funny thing about this entire argument is that I think they should be able to wear them. I just dont think they can. The hat thing for some reason is a big deal.

It is stupid to wear a hat or sun glasses inside. A Yamaka should be o.k though.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

It is stupid to wear a hat or sun glasses inside. A Yamaka should be o.k though.

I agree but in about half of the schools I think they would be asked to take it off.

sooner, a yamaka isn't a hat, and show me a single supreme court decision that proves your case. The ball is in our court.

You're 100% speaking out of your asshole on this. That tolerance link works and supports my claim.


We live in America.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

sooner, a yamaka isn't a hat, and show me a single supreme court decision that proves your case. The ball is in our court.

You're 100% speaking out of your asshole on this. That tolerance link works and supports my claim.


We live in America.

How is it in my court? I am sitting in a school right now where you are not allowed to wear a yamaka. That is all the proof I need.

in my school we weren't allowed to wear hats period. That would solve that problem.

oggy420 wrote:

in my school we weren't allowed to wear hats period. That would solve that problem.

OMG now there is two people saying the same thing. Dont tell that shit to Wolf.

A yamaka isn't a hat. It is religious garb protected under the first amendment. Period. You're just wrong. Go ask your boss.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

A yamaka isn't a hat. It is religious garb protected under the first amendment. Period. You're just wrong. Go ask your boss.

You're wrong Wolf. Not a single High School in my town would let anyone wear a yamaka. You're out of touch Wolf. Shit wouldn't fly.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

A yamaka isn't a hat. It is religious garb protected under the first amendment. Period. You're just wrong. Go ask your boss.

I did and he said the same thing that I told you. Right now its considered a hat by our school district. Also where in the hell is the Supreme Court case that shows you the interpretation that its religious garb?

Is a yamaka compulsory or optional for Jews?

Quote :

A Parents Guide:

The National Congress of Parents and Teachers, and the Freedom Forum's First Amendment Center jointly published "A Parents Guide to Religion in the Public Schools." It states in section 11: "Students who must wear religious garb such as head scarves or yarmulkes should be permitted to do so in school. Students may also display religious messages on clothing to the same extent that other messages are permitted." The First Amendment Center also lists other materials on religion and the public schools of interest to teachers and administrators. 7

religioustolerance.org

Quote :

"Schools enjoy substantial discretion in adopting policies relating to student dress and school uniforms. Students generally have no Federal right to be exempted from religiously-neutral and generally applicable school dress rules based on their religious beliefs or practices; however, schools may not single out religious attire in general, or attire of a particular religion, for prohibition or regulation. Students may display religious messages on items of clothing to the same extent that they are permitted to display other comparable messages. Religious messages may not be singled out for suppression, but rather are subject to the same rules as generally apply to comparable messages." (Emphasis ours).

religoustolerance.org

The RFRA unfortunately has been partially repealed, but if this ever became an issue, the supreme court unequivocally would rule in favor of the Jewish kid. Period.

As evidenced by

Quote :

TULSA, Okla. — The Muskogee school system has agreed to pay an undisclosed sum and change its dress code to settle a lawsuit involving a sixth-grade Muslim girl who was suspended for wearing a religious head scarf to school, officials announced yesterday.

"We are happy and glad it's over," said Rose Hearn, whose daughter Nashala Hearn was the focus of the case. "My daughter stands up for what she believes in."

The agreement requires the Muskogee Public School District to change its dress code to allow exceptions for religious reasons, said R. Alexander Acosta, assistant U.S. attorney general for civil rights.

"This settlement reaffirms the principle that public schools cannot require students to check their faith at the schoolhouse door," he said.

Acosta said school officials raised their initial objections on Sept. 11, 2003 — exactly two years after the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington — even though the girl had worn the scarf for several weeks. The officials, Acosta said, told her that other students were "frightened" by her scarf.

"It is un-American to fear and to hate," Acosta said.

Hearn has been allowed to wear the scarf pending settlement of her lawsuit, which sought $80,000 in damages and requested the dress-code changes. The Justice Department joined the lawsuit in March. The settlement was filed in U.S. District Court in Muskogee.

The Rutherford Institute, a Virginia-based civil liberties group, sued the district in federal court on the Hearn family's behalf in October, claiming the district's dress code violates Nashala's rights to free speech and exercise of religion.

The district suspended Hearn twice in October for wearing a head scarf to Benjamin Franklin Science Academy that officials believed violated the district's dress code.

The sixth-grader wears the hijab as part of her observance of the Muslim religion. She was allowed to continue wearing the scarf after returning to school but the district's policy has remained intact.

"It's been hard on her," Rose Hearn said. "She lives day by day with her head up high. I tell her she's got to be strong.

"Every day there is a lot of discrimination going around. People just need to get along, no matter what your race or religion."

The settlement requires the district to put in place a training program for all teachers and administrators about the new dress code and to publicize the change.

Muskogee Superintendent Eldon Gleichman said yesterday that he could not comment on the settlement because he had not yet received a copy of it. In the past, he has said the district's ban on headwear is fair and consistent. He has said other groups, including gangs and Satanists, could take advantage of any change in the headwear policy.

A recently passed law in France forbids conspicuous religious symbols and clothing in schools. The law was enacted mainly to defuse controversy about Muslim head scarves but also applies to such things as the Jewish yarmulke and large Christian crosses.

The Justice Department has taken pains after the Sept. 11 attacks to address complaints of discrimination and hate crimes brought by Arab-Americans and other Muslims. Some Muslim groups have been critical of government anti-terrorism efforts as singling them out for harsh treatment and extra scrutiny.

Soonermark, admitting you are wrong isn't a sign of weakness, but going down with your ship in the face such things is.


You're up to 2.5 million dollars.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

A yamaka isn't a hat. It is religious garb protected under the first amendment. Period. You're just wrong. Go ask your boss.

You're wrong Wolf. Not a single High School in my town would let anyone wear a yamaka. You're out of touch Wolf. Shit wouldn't fly.

I don't know where you live in Oklahoma but your state specifically was sued by the Justice Department and a muslim successfully six years ago when they tried to prevent a kid from wearing an Islamic piece of garb.


I'd advice you to read the article I just posted in my prior post. Thanks for playing though. Maybe next time.



Hail knowledge and religious freedom.


You're also being charged for this lesson.

Sorry Wolf....you cannot wear your little hat in school.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Sorry Wolf....you cannot wear your little hat in school.

I'd just as soon nuke Israel bro, I'd just let the survivors wear their hats. Don't get it twisted.