Tony Lopez calls out Vera LOL!

GDPofDRC wrote:

He's 3-0 against fighters currently on the UFC roster, who themselves are on multi-fight UFC win streaks, and 5-2 against fighters who do or have fought with the UFC.

Kyle Kingsbury is on a 2-0 streak, Beltran just lost to Mitrione, who is the other guy he beat that's in the ufc? I'm not trying to prove you wrong I'm trying to educate myself.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Why can't he beat a single fighter in the UFC or Brandon Vera for that matter is what I wonder.

That's just my opinion, I thought I wouldn't be the only one, I guess I am. Like I said I've been wrong before and I probably will be again.

Beltran has not fought Mitrione yet and has beat Houstan Alexander, Tim Hauge, and Rolles Gracie in his last three fights after losing unanimously to Lopez. Wes Combs and Jason Lambert also lost to Lopez and they were good enough to be invited to compete in the UFC.

Oh shit duh of course Beltran has fought Mitirione yet. Ok cool he's atleast got some quality wins, obviously wrong about not being able to compete at that level but I'd still pick Vera anyday against him.

MMAEYES wrote:

Oh shit duh of course Beltran has fought Mitirione yet. Ok cool he's atleast got some quality wins, obviously wrong about not being able to compete at that level but I'd still pick Vera anyday against him.

See I don't have any problem with someone picking Vera, it was the part about him not being able to beat ANYONE in the UFC HW or LHW division. If Lopez fought Vera I would probably pick Vera as well.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

Oh shit duh of course Beltran has fought Mitirione yet. Ok cool he's atleast got some quality wins, obviously wrong about not being able to compete at that level but I'd still pick Vera anyday against him.

See I don't have any problem with someone picking Vera, it was the part about him not being able to beat ANYONE in the UFC HW or LHW division. If Lopez fought Vera I would probably pick Vera as well.

Hey untill it was just proven to me. I would 've never believed he did beat anyone currently on the ufc roster that's why I like posting here I spew my opinions and get to learn shit too. I truely believed that he won't be able to beat anyone in the ufc based on the three fights of his I've seen in which he looked like shit to me. That fight he lost to Kyle, hell Kyle looked like shit, so in my eyes Lopez sucked. But I guess I jumped the gun on that.

I give you a domo on that.

For a while Lopez had the second longest unbeaten streak in MMA. Maybe the longest.

Lopez taught Pootey Tang how to fight with ponytails too. I'm just sayin.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

For a while Lopez had the second longest unbeaten streak in MMA. Maybe the longest.

Don't get me wrong that is sweet but I guess KOTC/small show wins don't hold as much wait in my eyes.

MMAEYES wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

For a while Lopez had the second longest unbeaten streak in MMA. Maybe the longest.

Don't get me wrong that is sweet but I guess KOTC/small show wins don't hold as much wait in my eyes.

which is a big obstacle for these smaller shows. Here is KOTC with a guy who has proven very successful vs UFC level guys, yet the majority of MMA fans think that KOTC and the fighters in it are minor league.

But truth is the UFC does not have a monopoly on top level talent. Tons of very good fighters out there.

captain organic wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

For a while Lopez had the second longest unbeaten streak in MMA. Maybe the longest.

Don't get me wrong that is sweet but I guess KOTC/small show wins don't hold as much wait in my eyes.

which is a big obstacle for these smaller shows.

It def isn't as big an obstacle as it would be in the ufc, strikeforce, or dream. Hell even bellator. But I'm sure you know that. Look to have that kind of streak is great but when I heard of this guy watched a couple of his fights he looked like crap to me so that's what I'm going by I guess.

MMAEYES wrote:

captain organic wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

For a while Lopez had the second longest unbeaten streak in MMA. Maybe the longest.

Don't get me wrong that is sweet but I guess KOTC/small show wins don't hold as much wait in my eyes.

which is a big obstacle for these smaller shows.

It def isn't as big an obstacle as it would be in the ufc, strikeforce, or dream. Hell even bellator. But I'm sure you know that. Look to have that kind of streak is great but when I heard of this guy watched a couple of his fights he looked like crap to me so that's what I'm going by I guess.

I guess, but if you've only seen Penn vs Edgar, without knowing their history, I don't think you'd know that Penn is considered the greatest lw of all time.

Silva vs Chael, Little nog vs Brilz, etc. etc.

captain organic wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

captain organic wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

For a while Lopez had the second longest unbeaten streak in MMA. Maybe the longest.

Don't get me wrong that is sweet but I guess KOTC/small show wins don't hold as much wait in my eyes.

which is a big obstacle for these smaller shows.

It def isn't as big an obstacle as it would be in the ufc, strikeforce, or dream. Hell even bellator. But I'm sure you know that. Look to have that kind of streak is great but when I heard of this guy watched a couple of his fights he looked like crap to me so that's what I'm going by I guess.

I guess, but if you've only seen Penn vs Edgar, without knowing their history, I don't think you'd know that Penn is considered the greatest lw of all time.

Silva vs Chael, Little nog vs Brilz, etc. etc.

If those fights happen under the KOTC banner your damn right I wouldn't have known. I get what your saying though everyone has bad days. And everyone loses even Fedor

KOTC has churned out more name recognizable fighters than any other midsized organization ever. WEC, SF, Elite/Shock are what they are today(or were) because of KOTC and GC to a lesser California extent. Like Pride and UFC, they siphoned out talent from that org on a regular basis. Things really haven't changed either. Just for fun, here are just some former KOTC fighters.

Keith Jardine
Charlie Valencia
Uriah Faber
Diego Sanchez
Quinton Jackson
Forrest Griffin
Jeremy Horn
Duane Ludwig
Karo Pariysian
Dean Lister
Ricco Rodriguez
Tim Silva
Dan Hardy
Jamie Varner
Jorge Santiago
Cub Swanson
Clay Guida
Robbie Lawler
Rob McCullough
Jake Ellenberger
Tony Bonello
Bart Palaszewski
Jeff Curran
Don Frye
Shane del Rosario
Jesse Taylor
Thiago Alves
Bibiano Fernandes
Martin Kampmann
Paul Buentello
Joe Stevenson
Toby Imada
Nate Quarry
Carlos Condit
Benji Radach
Herb Dean
James Wilks
Dustin Hazelett
Damacio Page
Jorge Gurgel
Kendall Grove
Mac Danzig
Eddie Sanchez
Charles Bennett
Manny Tapia
Joey Villasenor
Rory Singer
Wilson Gouviea
Seth Petruzelli
Marvin Eastman
Yves Edwards
Guy Mezger
John Alessio
Tim Credeur
Dan Severn

Just some, I'm lucky I got to see some of these dudes fight in Cali for cheap ticket prices.

Lopez has got less out of doing more than many of these dudes to.

I knew alot of fighters started out in KOTC but I didn't know about all of them damn. Do you know how many of those guys fought for them with like a muti-fight contract like Lopez? I wonder how many fought like once for them then went to a bigger show?

Not many are multi-contracted at that level. Dudes just take a fight wherever they can. Most fought a few, some only once, several fought many times with them.