Could Cyborg beat your ass?

She'd instantly sub you.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

She'd instantly sub you.

Yeah, she's a submission machine.

Against someone who I'm guessing has no experience at all in submission defense, the likelihood is extremely strong that a person with extensive BJJ training would have little problem locking something in

bobbitt15 wrote:

Against someone who I'm guessing has no experience at all in submission defense, the likelihood is extremely strong that a person with extensive BJJ training would have little problem locking something in

still corky has a 100 pound weight, height, and reach advantage...there is no way cyborg can stuff corky's takedowns. corky can just sit on her and GnP her...this will be a lot like lesnar vs. mir...corky with the 1st round TKO.

Kimo vs Gracie.

chorky777 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

LOL I'm surprised this many people think they could take her. I would guess most people on here would throw a couple windup haymakers that wouldn't land and then would be gassed and just eat punches from her

I think you're overestimating her skills a little too much. She isn't Anderson Silva.

ahahah as if it would take Anderson Silva to kick your ass?!?!

You're amazing.

thedarkwingduck2k50 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Against someone who I'm guessing has no experience at all in submission defense, the likelihood is extremely strong that a person with extensive BJJ training would have little problem locking something in

still corky has a 100 pound weight, height, and reach advantage...there is no way cyborg can stuff corky's takedowns. corky can just sit on her and GnP her...this will be a lot like lesnar vs. mir...corky with the 1st round TKO.

Well I don't know anyone's size or credentials that post on here, I'm just speaking about the average joe schmo

I think she whoops the average joe's ass. I do a little bjj and wrestled in college, though I don't know how I would do against her frankly. I think she may kick my ass, but there is a chance I could take her down, and gnp her out.
Sher would have a good chance of beating my ass down though and as a sexist that's hard to say. If I was training I would say that I would beat her GSP style, but I would last about 3 minutes right now before I was totally gassed.

I would like to say I could never fight cyborg even if shes manly... cant hit a girl so


but im pretty sure my skills would let me beat Cyborg as long as she doesnt take me to the ground because she wud sub be pretty easily im sure

A chance Jruq? It wouldnt even be close (you'd destroy her and im not being sexist, im speaking from a technical standpoint). If you wrestled in college, you noticed the same things I did in her fight with Carano. Both of their wrestling was atrocious. I am waiting for some real female olympic wrestlers and bjj girls to start in mma. Right now, female mma is essentially female kickboxers trying to learn bjj and wrestling. Hell, everytime they clinched, Carano reached up for Cyborg's head like a kid on the school yard. You know Couture taught her better then that. The technique was just all over the place. So, of course everytime Carano reached up for a elementary school headlock, Cyborg took her back sort of and brought her to the ground. Also, Carano was scared stiff the moment she got hit. Watching Cyborg try to take Carano down, end up on her back with Carano in mount, only to get back up and have Carano try to incorrectly headlock Cyborg, get taken down again, etc. etc. I know they can beat up a lot of untrained guys, but they are a far cry from high level mma. I think I just expected a lot more.

JimboJones1 wrote:

A chance Jruq? It wouldnt even be close (you'd destroy her and im not being sexist, im speaking from a technical standpoint). If you wrestled in college, you noticed the same things I did in her fight with Carano. Both of their wrestling was atrocious. I am waiting for some real female olympic wrestlers and bjj girls to start in mma. Right now, female mma is essentially female kickboxers trying to learn bjj and wrestling. Hell, everytime they clinched, Carano reached up for Cyborg's head like a kid on the school yard. You know Couture taught her better then that. The technique was just all over the place. So, of course everytime Carano reached up for a elementary school headlock, Cyborg took her back sort of and brought her to the ground. Also, Carano was scared stiff the moment she got hit. Watching Cyborg try to take Carano down, end up on her back with Carano in mount, only to get back up and have Carano try to incorrectly headlock Cyborg, get taken down again, etc. etc. I know they can beat up a lot of untrained guys, but they are a far cry from high level mma. I think I just expected a lot more.

Ok, you're probably right Jimbo - I just came away from that fight feeling bad for Carano and impressed by the ferocity of Cyborg. I'm relatively out of shape, but I suppose if I fought a "smart fight" I could just take her down and beat her up from half guard where I feel pretty comfortable.

She's a professional fighter though, and I am not in the shape I was in college, so I don't think it's guaranteed that I beat her. One thing is for sure though, if I had full mount I wouldn't stand back up.

Ya good point Jimbo, some Ameican joe blow slob who wrestled in college knows more about ground fighting than she does.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya good point Jimbo, some Ameican joe blow slob who wrestled in college knows more about ground fighting than she does.

Wolf, that fight was horrible my friend. I coach a high school as well as a middle school wrestling team as well as run an elementary school program. Honestly, my elementary kids have better clinch work then Carano showed in that fight. She did exactly what we teach NOT to do, which is reach up for the head, because little kids instinctively do it and try and headlock each other, which Carano learned, only leads to getting your back taken and being brought down to the mat. The wrestling level in that fight was little kid level, and thats not to be sexist, its just an honest assessment. They are tough, but as far as being "skilled" fighters on the ground or wrestling wise, i would disagree. They are basically female kickboxers taking up wrestling and bjj. If you thought they showed good technique when wrestling and on the ground, I would have to ask you to point out exactly what you saw. My contention was that anyone who was a good enough wrestler to compete in college would have the wrestling and grappling ability to beat one of them, who basically have little to no skills in that department.

I never said Carano's wrestling was good. But honestly what would happen to a college wrestler with no BJJ once he got a BJJ purple belt to the ground.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I never said Carano's wrestling was good. But honestly what would happen to a college wrestler with no BJJ once he got a BJJ purple belt to the ground.

Depends on whether they can effectively throw punches on the ground. You've watched enough mma to know that.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya good point Jimbo, some Ameican joe blow slob who wrestled in college knows more about ground fighting than she does.

You're right Wolf : It's a fact that college wrestling never goes to the ground. Also, college wrestling is for joe blow slobs.

Seriously though, if I was training seriously for a few monthes I should beat Santos easily but now that I'm relatively out of shape I'm not so sure. I have no doubt that I could take her down, and I have some bjj and judo training, so I'm not lost on the ground and know how to defend basic subs, and control her. I guess the question is, can I finish her before I run out of gas , because when that happens after about 2-3 minutes, she murders me.

The fact that it's even a discussion is a testament to Santos; she's scary.

Could Cyborg take Laila Ali?

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Could Cyborg take Laila Ali?

Sadly, after what we saw saturday, im not sure that either Cyborg or Carano would be able to take Laila down to where Laila is out of her comfort zone, but then again, maybe im being too critical.

Get real, she could probably beat her husband in Vale Tudo. (Ball strikes being the key.)

I'm glad there's not people saying they'd walk through her, that was about the only thing I worried about with this thread.

I'm very much in Jimbo's boat, I could easily take her down and position her for some GNP, but am I going to have the cardio to deal with it for more than 3-5 minutes? I think her kicks and submission skills are a testament to her that I actually had to think long about this before giving a flippant answer.

Do beer drinking NBA fans think they can outball WNBA chicks or Pat Summit's lady Vols?

Do rednecks at Braves games and NY assholes at Yankee games think they can outball Jenny Finch and the softball babes?

Haha, most guys do think they can hit Jennie Finch! I've tried to hit off a good softball pitcher before, it's much more difficult than people think. After playing baseball for 15 years, you're not used to the distance change, arm motion, ball spin, etc. It's much harder than people think!

joshkellerseattle wrote:

Haha, most guys do think they can hit Jennie Finch! I've tried to hit off a good softball pitcher before, it's much more difficult than people think. After playing baseball for 15 years, you're not used to the distance change, arm motion, ball spin, etc. It's much harder than people think!

my sister pitched in Jr college softball. Obviously no where near the ball park of Jenny Finch. I could get a hit off my sister, although it wouldn't be easy. Jenny would make me look like a fool. I might get lucky but she would strike me out with ease. You have to remember they pitch from a much much closer distance then baseball. I probably have a better chance then most because I would be use to the spin, distance and release but it would be damn hard.

this thread screams out fleav!... come back to us fleav

I think fleav gets way too much love