How can Cain beat Brock?

He cant get over it. He was saying Mir had a shot against Brock also I believe, he thought Carwin would win also and now its Cains turn to get the Wolfy jinx LOL.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

You can call me a hater and devalue my opinions but the reverse isn't acceptable?

Don't start nothin, wont be nothin sucka.


Yo I'll play nice until Brock loses. Then no quarter will be given.

Ur opions are fine but ur the 1 with the weak name calling shit LOL. My take on this shit is my opion and urs is urs but this dont start nothing wont be nothing shit is weak LOL.

bobbitt15 wrote:

First of all, Werdum wasn't getting his ass kicked. Did Fedor even land a punch? Werdum went down without even really getting hit by anything and then instantly almost had Fedor in an armbar when it went to the ground and had the sub just seconds later

If I remember he dropped Werdum with a big right.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

bobbitt you're an irrational Lesnar fan please stay in character with the rest of these idiots. It will confuse and disorient them to have legitimate posts and opinion mixed in.

Actually you being a Lesnar fan at the expense of logic is out of your character otherwise.

LOL Idiots. OK well at least us idiots didnt pick Carwin.

timthebim wrote:

He cant get over it. He was saying Mir had a shot against Brock also I believe, he thought Carwin would win also and now its Cains turn to get the Wolfy jinx LOL.

He is the Lee Corso of MMA. LOL

soonermark just stop. Lesnar got his ass beat by a 35 year old man who'd never fought anyone but Mir. Carwin had never earned a spot as the second best HW even on the most irrational UFC centric ratings.

I'm not discrediting his win. But I am keeping things real while the whole forum sucks this guy off after being essentially exposed in the wrestling and striking departments entirely. Carwin's 35 year old cardio is the only reason this storyline wasn't "Lesnar ruined and embarrassed, destroyed by Shane Carwin".

If Brock's striking and speed is inferior, and his wrestling isn't as good as advertised(which it isn't, but I guess some continue to read "265 Division I" and refuse to acknowledge what their eyes see) and he won't be able to out cardio Carwin, what else does he have?

25 pounds? Really? This is why he is invincible?

WHEN he beats Cain Wolf there will still be room on the Brock bandwagon for u LOL.

I picked Brock against Mir. I said I thought Carwin's KO power could overwhelm Lesnar, which it almost did, but I also said the fight was kind of a coin flip for me and cardio would come into play big time. Pretty much dead on. I prefered Carwin to win, true, but I didn't have him as a major significant favorite.

I would the second time though. Lesnar got exposed. Carwin+Cardio = dead Lesnar.

captain organic wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Brock almost connected with a vicious over hand right in the 2nd against Carwin, if Brock connects solid on one of those with Cain, it's lights out.

how do u go from "he almost connected" to "if Brock connects" to "it's lights out" for Cain? That is a soft, soft argument.

Im picking Brock, but I feel more confident in Cain's chances after that fight. Brock lost some of that aura of invincibility.

Well he did almost connect, and why bring that up? because if he did or does his opponent is going lights out.

I made my strong arguments on the first page

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I picked Brock against Mir. I said I thought Carwin's KO power could overwhelm Lesnar, which it almost did, but I also said the fight was kind of a coin flip for me and cardio would come into play big time. Pretty much dead on. I prefered Carwin to win, true, but I didn't have him as a major significant favorite.

I would the second time though. Lesnar got exposed. Carwin+Cardio = dead Lesnar.

No body thought the fight would be a blowout or 1 sided at all. Every1 thought it would be close and a coin flip fight even us Brock fans.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

soonermark just stop. Lesnar got his ass beat by a 35 year old man who'd never fought anyone but Mir. Carwin had never earned a spot as the second best HW even on the most irrational UFC centric ratings.

I'm not discrediting his win. But I am keeping things real while the whole forum sucks this guy off after being essentially exposed in the wrestling and striking departments entirely. Carwin's 35 year old cardio is the only reason this storyline wasn't "Lesnar ruined and embarrassed, destroyed by Shane Carwin".

If Brock's striking and speed is inferior, and his wrestling isn't as good as advertised(which it isn't, but I guess some continue to read "265 Division I" and refuse to acknowledge what their eyes see) and he won't be able to out cardio Carwin, what else does he have?

25 pounds? Really? This is why he is invincible?

Exposed? LMFAO He just showed he has a chin and won a huge fight after being gone for over a year. Thats being exposed? Are you fucking kidding? Yeah I guess Brock's wrestling was so horrible that he took Carwin down and submitted him. Yep sounds like his wrestling is really expossed.

Fuck it, here's the whole matchup summed up again

I'm not going to use Cain vs. Nog to show he has great speed, because Nog is slow as hell now, but Cain probably has the edge in overall speed and quickness, though I think it's closer than you'd think.

Wrestling is probably a wash, and it's not like Brock doesn't practice wrestling in training so not sure why someone would think he's lost ability. But, and a big but, Brock will probably end up having the wrestling edge due to his size and strength advantages, which hey 30 lbs ain't nothing, and I'll gaurentee Brock is the much stronger man.

Cardio is probably a wash aswell, Brock has shown to be inhuman for his size in that department, he just had a huge guy banging on him and laying on him and came back like it was nothing, Cain however, when has he actually been pushed in a fight? Sure he hasn't tired when dominating lesser competition, but we'll see when a giant like Brock is holding his weight on him against the cage.

Strength and size obvious, Brock

Overall talent and skill obvious, Cain

Submission skills? Brock, I was very impressed with that arm triangle, Cain however has been in very good positions to get chokes and come up with nothing almost like he had no clue what to do, I remember other people commenting about this on here.

Chin got to go Brock, Cain would not have survived that onslaught from Carwin, infact I don't know if anyone else in the World of MMA would have. And did Wolfy just act like that will destroy Brock's chin? He wasn't even knocked out, and it was the first time in his life anything like that happened.

I've thought about the fight, originally I gave Cain a 10% chance at winning, I've upped that to 20%, but I really don't see it happening. We've seen Brock can take punishment, sure Cain can try and avoid the takedown, use his superior striking and go for the decision, it could happen, but I doubt it. I sure as hell don't see him finsihing Brock, and we're saying Cain will go 5 rds without getting clipped by one of those bricks or getting taken down at least once? Because from what I've see, if Brock gets you down you are not getting up, too much weight and size on top of you.

Wolfy, was Brock's wrestling really exposed? He got Carwin down on his first attempt but Carwin did a good job to have that whizzer and got back to his feet. Every other takedown attempt in the 1st came after he was badly hurt and the one before he was on the ground would be lucky to even be described as a takedown attempt. Getting hurt and being able to take down Kongo is one thing, trying to take down an amped up 270 lb man with great wrestling as well when your in bad shape is another. I'm not going to give Brock a ton of credit for that takedown in the 2nd because Carwin was finished but he really only had one attempt in the 1st when he wasn't rocked

Wolf u keep saying he couldnt take Carwin down but he didnt even try until he got rocked. He made a mistake and tried to stand with Shane and paid dearly for it. Once u got his head straight again he took Carwin down with ease and never let him back up.

Lesnar went 0-3 in the first round on takedown attempts. This is a fact. But I appreciate your excuses and rationalizations of that. There are three threads all saying the same thing. None of these discussions are going anywhere. I keep saying the same things and Lesnar supporters keep saying he is a superhuman who can't be KO'd and can manhandle anyone. This is going no where.


Magic doesn't exist, God is a lie, and men are just men. Lesnar is a man too. A very beatable one.

And just the same Cain is a very beatable one

I like Cain and expect a good fight, but some people on here are looking for excuses to show their grasp of the sport is better when in fact it is not. Cain stands an excellent chance of beating Lesnar I would easily say a 33.3% chance. However, all the markers with the exception of speed our on Brock's side. I do expect considerable changes in the initial bets for this fight and the numbers will change as more casual fans see what Cain brings to the table.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Brock is bigger
Brock is stronger
Brock is quicker
Brock is a better wrestler

What advantage does Cain have?

Brock is only 2 of those things, arguably.

Wolf killed it in this thread

Wow, I actually expected to read through and come off terribly but I was pretty rational for being one of the few Brock fans on here