How can Cain beat Brock?

Brock almost connected with a vicious over hand right in the 2nd against Carwin, if Brock connects solid on one of those with Cain, it's lights out.

What the hell happened to my post?

Don't think it was this thread. There's a couple different spots where Brock/Cain discussion is going on right now

chorky777 wrote:

Cain was a better wrestler in college. He was wrestling against the 2 best heavyweights ever when he was there. That's why he never won the championships. Cole Conrad always beat him on riding time. He couldn't take him down. Cain's wrestling skills are freakishly good, and he's translated them to MMA as well as anybody. He also does a great job of getting inside on people and throwing some sick uppercuts and hooks up close. I see him being able to do that with Brock and beating him up. Cain wins this fight. I'm almost sure of it. Hopefully it'll be in Indy, cuz I'll be there for it.

And who do you think helped to train Cole Konrad? Pac-10 wrestling cannot even be compared to Big Ten wrestling plain and simple.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Brock almost connected with a vicious over hand right in the 2nd against Carwin, if Brock connects solid on one of those with Cain, it's lights out.

how do u go from "he almost connected" to "if Brock connects" to "it's lights out" for Cain? That is a soft, soft argument.

Im picking Brock, but I feel more confident in Cain's chances after that fight. Brock lost some of that aura of invincibility.

captain organic wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Brock almost connected with a vicious over hand right in the 2nd against Carwin, if Brock connects solid on one of those with Cain, it's lights out.

how do u go from "he almost connected" to "if Brock connects" to "it's lights out" for Cain? That is a soft, soft argument.

Im picking Brock, but I feel more confident in Cain's chances after that fight. Brock lost some of that aura of invincibility.

Really I dont think so. he was finally hit and proved he had heart to keep fighting and not quit when things arent going his way. I think no matter who would have won the fight they would have been a big favorite over Cain.

Tim you've got Lesnars nuts so deep in your mouth I am surprised you're even cool with other guys being Lesnar fans around here. Might get jealous. In a three round fight, Lesnar would have been stopped, and had the ref jumped in there Brock wouldn't have complained. He got fucking lucky. Amazing win, but lady luck had more to do with it than anything else. He was being owned in wrestling and striking all over the cage.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Tim you've got Lesnars nuts so deep in your mouth I am surprised you're even cool with other guys being Lesnar fans around here. Might get jealous. In a three round fight, Lesnar would have been stopped, and had the ref jumped in there Brock wouldn't have complained. He got fucking lucky. Amazing win, but lady luck had more to do with it than anything else. He was being owned in wrestling and striking all over the cage.

He was lucky to win but last week u talked about how Werdum was great for pulling some sub out of his ass against Fedor when Fedor was gnping him to death. Dont be a hypocrite. Brock was hurt but he didnt quit like Carwin did. Brock is the best HW in the world learn to live with it.

timthebim wrote:

captain organic wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Brock almost connected with a vicious over hand right in the 2nd against Carwin, if Brock connects solid on one of those with Cain, it's lights out.

how do u go from "he almost connected" to "if Brock connects" to "it's lights out" for Cain? That is a soft, soft argument.

Im picking Brock, but I feel more confident in Cain's chances after that fight. Brock lost some of that aura of invincibility.

Really I dont think so. he was finally hit and proved he had heart to keep fighting and not quit when things arent going his way. I think no matter who would have won the fight they would have been a big favorite over Cain.

Brock showed toughness, no doubt, a true champion attribute. But Carwin was kicking his ass b4 gassing. Brock loses invincibility points imo.

I said Werdum's win wasn't a fluke. Werdum's win was awesome, but really that was lucky too. I'm pretty sure I said that then and if not I'll say it now.

The differences are this - Werdum was lucid the whole time and duped Fedor into making a mistake early by disguising the submissions he was working for by going for two at one time, taking advantage of Emelianenkos overconfidence in his defense, he didn't get hammered to a pulp for a whole round, have all his takedown attempts blocked and flee in terror from Emelianenko either.

Carwin gassing and becoming a worthless fighter is what gave Brock his chance. Carwin lost the fight as much as Lesnar won.

I think comparisons to Fedor Werdum in some contexts are applicable though, but so are comparisons to Le vs Smith 1, Manhoef vs Lawler and Duffee vs Russow.

He now got into a fight and wasnt the better striker by far and tried to do it anyways and paid the price. He isnt invincible but he is very tough to beat right now.

Sorry but cardio is part of the sport and Brocks win shouldnt be tainted because Carwin didnt train for a 5 round fight. Brock beat him and as good as Carwin is he couldnt stop brock when he had the chance.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I said Werdum's win wasn't a fluke. Werdum's win was awesome, but really that was lucky too. I'm pretty sure I said that then and if not I'll say it now.

The differences are this - Werdum was lucid the whole time and duped Fedor into making a mistake early by disguising the submissions he was working for by going for two at one time, taking advantage of Emelianenkos overconfidence in his defense, he didn't get hammered to a pulp for a whole round, have all his takedown attempts blocked and flee in terror from Emelianenko either.

Carwin gassing and becoming a worthless fighter is what gave Brock his chance. Carwin lost the fight as much as Lesnar won.

I think comparisons to Fedor Werdum in some contexts are applicable though, but so are comparisons to Le vs Smith 1, Manhoef vs Lawler and Duffee vs Russow.

LMAO Werdum's win was lucky just like Brock's but it was not a fluke and Brocks was? That makes no fucking sense other than the fact we can all tell you hate Brock and its coming out in everyone of your posts right now.

Werdum was about as much lucid as Brock was. Werdum got rocked and was getting his ass kicked when he as you said got lucky. Brock showed exactly why he is the champ and why he will stay that way. He took Carwins best shots and still won. Thats what champions do.

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I said Werdum's win wasn't a fluke. Werdum's win was awesome, but really that was lucky too. I'm pretty sure I said that then and if not I'll say it now.

The differences are this - Werdum was lucid the whole time and duped Fedor into making a mistake early by disguising the submissions he was working for by going for two at one time, taking advantage of Emelianenkos overconfidence in his defense, he didn't get hammered to a pulp for a whole round, have all his takedown attempts blocked and flee in terror from Emelianenko either.

Carwin gassing and becoming a worthless fighter is what gave Brock his chance. Carwin lost the fight as much as Lesnar won.

I think comparisons to Fedor Werdum in some contexts are applicable though, but so are comparisons to Le vs Smith 1, Manhoef vs Lawler and Duffee vs Russow.

LMAO Werdum's win was lucky just like Brock's but it was not a fluke and Brocks was? That makes no fucking sense other than the fact we can all tell you hate Brock and its coming out in everyone of your posts right now.

Werdum was about as much lucid as Brock was. Werdum got rocked and was getting his ass kicked when he as you said got lucky. Brock showed exactly why he is the champ and why he will stay that way. He took Carwins best shots and still won. Thats what champions do.

Thank u sir LOL.

timthebim wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I said Werdum's win wasn't a fluke. Werdum's win was awesome, but really that was lucky too. I'm pretty sure I said that then and if not I'll say it now.

The differences are this - Werdum was lucid the whole time and duped Fedor into making a mistake early by disguising the submissions he was working for by going for two at one time, taking advantage of Emelianenkos overconfidence in his defense, he didn't get hammered to a pulp for a whole round, have all his takedown attempts blocked and flee in terror from Emelianenko either.

Carwin gassing and becoming a worthless fighter is what gave Brock his chance. Carwin lost the fight as much as Lesnar won.

I think comparisons to Fedor Werdum in some contexts are applicable though, but so are comparisons to Le vs Smith 1, Manhoef vs Lawler and Duffee vs Russow.

LMAO Werdum's win was lucky just like Brock's but it was not a fluke and Brocks was? That makes no fucking sense other than the fact we can all tell you hate Brock and its coming out in everyone of your posts right now.

Werdum was about as much lucid as Brock was. Werdum got rocked and was getting his ass kicked when he as you said got lucky. Brock showed exactly why he is the champ and why he will stay that way. He took Carwins best shots and still won. Thats what champions do.

Thank u sir LOL.

LOL no problem.

Carwin probably doesn't have the physical ability to add much cardio. Most people who think there is a giant market of new giant HWs ready to change the face of combat sports forever haven't a clue why the HW division starts at 200. Cardio and bigmen don't go hand and hand, especially 35 year old bigmen.

Brock's win isn't tainted, but not every win is the same. I don't see how Brock is such an amazingly onesided favorite over Cain when he got his fucking ass handed to him entirely.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Carwin probably doesn't have the physical ability to add much cardio. Most people who think there is a giant market of new giant HWs ready to change the face of combat sports forever haven't a clue why the HW division starts at 200. Cardio and bigmen don't go hand and hand, especially 35 year old bigmen.

Brock's win isn't tainted, but not every win is the same. I don't see how Brock is such an amazingly onesided favorite over Cain when he got his fucking ass handed to him entirely.

Because he still found a way to pull out the win.

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I said Werdum's win wasn't a fluke. Werdum's win was awesome, but really that was lucky too. I'm pretty sure I said that then and if not I'll say it now.

The differences are this - Werdum was lucid the whole time and duped Fedor into making a mistake early by disguising the submissions he was working for by going for two at one time, taking advantage of Emelianenkos overconfidence in his defense, he didn't get hammered to a pulp for a whole round, have all his takedown attempts blocked and flee in terror from Emelianenko either.

Carwin gassing and becoming a worthless fighter is what gave Brock his chance. Carwin lost the fight as much as Lesnar won.

I think comparisons to Fedor Werdum in some contexts are applicable though, but so are comparisons to Le vs Smith 1, Manhoef vs Lawler and Duffee vs Russow.

LMAO Werdum's win was lucky just like Brock's but it was not a fluke and Brocks was? That makes no fucking sense other than the fact we can all tell you hate Brock and its coming out in everyone of your posts right now.

Werdum was about as much lucid as Brock was. Werdum got rocked and was getting his ass kicked when he as you said got lucky. Brock showed exactly why he is the champ and why he will stay that way. He took Carwins best shots and still won. Thats what champions do.

I didn't say Brock's was a fluke either. How about you read what I say and respond accurately next time soonermark? Clear on that? I agree Lesnar showed the heart of a champion and I believe I wrote a piece about that didn't I? But the real life reality of the fight was he got his ass handed to him and was tremendously lucky to survive and pull the win off. I don't understand why we have to pretend that isn't the reality. It's not like it devalues or takes the win away to treat it with rationality.

I'd also advise all you Brocksuckers to actually read the champions statements, he said in multiple interviews with outlets like ESPN that at one point he didn't know where he was, was half knocked out, and was prepared for the fight to be stopped. He was in no way as lucid as Werdum was, and comparing the two fights like that is ridiculous.

Lesnar is a tough ass dude but he got destroyed that whole fight. Let's stop acting like he is invincible.

timthebim wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Carwin probably doesn't have the physical ability to add much cardio. Most people who think there is a giant market of new giant HWs ready to change the face of combat sports forever haven't a clue why the HW division starts at 200. Cardio and bigmen don't go hand and hand, especially 35 year old bigmen.

Brock's win isn't tainted, but not every win is the same. I don't see how Brock is such an amazingly onesided favorite over Cain when he got his fucking ass handed to him entirely.

Because he still found a way to pull out the win.

let me add
1. his size
2. his wrestling
3. his power
4. he is the champ

All of those are reasons he is a heavy favorite.

First of all, Werdum wasn't getting his ass kicked. Did Fedor even land a punch? Werdum went down without even really getting hit by anything and then instantly almost had Fedor in an armbar when it went to the ground and had the sub just seconds later

Fedor was landing some GNP on Werdum and Fedor made a mistake quite like Carwin if u think about it.

bobbitt you're an irrational Lesnar fan please stay in character with the rest of these idiots. It will confuse and disorient them to have legitimate posts and opinion mixed in.

Actually you being a Lesnar fan at the expense of logic is out of your character otherwise.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

bobbitt you're an irrational Lesnar fan please stay in character with the rest of these idiots. It will confuse and disorient them to have legitimate posts and opinion mixed in.

Actually you being a Lesnar fan at the expense of logic is out of your character otherwise.

Idiots LOL?? Just opions Wolf!

Wolfgangsta wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I said Werdum's win wasn't a fluke. Werdum's win was awesome, but really that was lucky too. I'm pretty sure I said that then and if not I'll say it now.

The differences are this - Werdum was lucid the whole time and duped Fedor into making a mistake early by disguising the submissions he was working for by going for two at one time, taking advantage of Emelianenkos overconfidence in his defense, he didn't get hammered to a pulp for a whole round, have all his takedown attempts blocked and flee in terror from Emelianenko either.

Carwin gassing and becoming a worthless fighter is what gave Brock his chance. Carwin lost the fight as much as Lesnar won.

I think comparisons to Fedor Werdum in some contexts are applicable though, but so are comparisons to Le vs Smith 1, Manhoef vs Lawler and Duffee vs Russow.

LMAO Werdum's win was lucky just like Brock's but it was not a fluke and Brocks was? That makes no fucking sense other than the fact we can all tell you hate Brock and its coming out in everyone of your posts right now.

Werdum was about as much lucid as Brock was. Werdum got rocked and was getting his ass kicked when he as you said got lucky. Brock showed exactly why he is the champ and why he will stay that way. He took Carwins best shots and still won. Thats what champions do.

I didn't say Brock's was a fluke either. How about you read what I say and respond accurately next time soonermark? Clear on that? I agree Lesnar showed the heart of a champion and I believe I wrote a piece about that didn't I? But the real life reality of the fight was he got his ass handed to him and was tremendously lucky to survive and pull the win off. I don't understand why we have to pretend that isn't the reality. It's not like it devalues or takes the win away to treat it with rationality.

I'd also advise all you Brocksuckers to actually read the champions statements, he said in multiple interviews with outlets like ESPN that at one point he didn't know where he was, was half knocked out, and was prepared for the fight to be stopped. He was in no way as lucid as Werdum was, and comparing the two fights like that is ridiculous.

Lesnar is a tough ass dude but he got destroyed that whole fight. Let's stop acting like he is invincible.

Stop the bullshit you know what you were implying dont act innocent. Give me a fucking break you have been trying to discredit his win for days and I can see right through your backhanded comments. The guy just beat the second best guy in the division who a lot of people on this board was just sure was the best. Get over the fact that he is better than you thought.

You can call me a hater and devalue my opinions but the reverse isn't acceptable?

Don't start nothin, wont be nothin sucka.


Yo I'll play nice until Brock loses. Then no quarter will be given.