Kampmann wants Hardy

yea i got kampman over hardy.

I hate when the matchup is logically brokedown and people ignore it.

dude dont act like you know what is going to happen in the fight. Thats just stupid.

Not at all when you analyze it intelligently

I could be wrong but I think Kamp's fight vs Daley was just a poor performance and like I said before I think he overlooked Daley. Besides that fight and Marquart at MW he has looked like a very solid fighter. I'm not sold on Hardy just because he edged out Davis and managed not to get finished by GSP.
If they fought I would also pick Kamp, but like I said before it is a good matchup and I don't understand how anyone can think otherwise.

for anyone to say they know the outcome of a fight is stupid. For all you know Daley will get knocked the fuck out in the 1st round.

Or as you said when Shogun perfectly countered a Machida attack and dropped him, maybe Kampmann will just get "lucky" and land one on Hardy's chin. Then what of all the perfectly analyzed styles?

He lay and prayed Paulo Thiago who was throwing exclusively telegraphed overhands from behind his ass just the other night. People are prisoners of the moment. The same people who say today Lesnar is an unbeatable monster in a year and a half will say he was a fruad from the beginning.

Hardy showed me enough in the GSP fight to make me think he has gotten good enough to handle guys on the ground that are lesser of a Grappler, wrestler, BJJ artist than GSP. Kampmann is that guy. Not to mention Hardy will have about 11 months of training with top wrestlers here in the US. Hardy will outclass Kampmann on the feet, so I think it is an easy pick to say Hardy should win. Taking bets on this fight anyone?

lay n prayed? Your an idiot.

What's stupid is just saying, "I got Kampmann over Hardy"why?

Should I go back an look for shit you've said? I'd find more than you could find on me bro

no i just dont see why you think this is such a mismatch that there is no other possible outcome other than Hardy winning. That just doesn't really make much sense to me. I guess we view Hardy very differently. I see him as a guy who is dangerous, but still has a lot of holes in his game, holes that Kampman can expose with the right game plan.

You can argue for either of them. It is gonna be a good fight imo.

I knew someone would jump on me for that. I just didn't think oggy would be the guy, and I certainly didn't think he'd just stomp his feet and march off screaming "you're an idiot" and I absolutely didn't expect him to spell you're wrong while calling someone else an idiot.

I admit I didn't really watch intently the last two rounds as closely as I would have if I gave a fuck about either of these two overrated embarrassments to the WW division, but I saw no offense on the ground. The whole fight was Thiago rolling around from his back to mount to his back and in and out of half ass chokes. Not many ground strikes thrown.

Hardy is a better striker, he doesn't wing punches like Thiago was doing Saturday. Against someone not named GSP, he'd counter very effectively. Also add in that he has a lot of power, and Kampmann doesn't move his head at all. GSP was able to get Hardy down, but Kampmann doesn't have wrestling even close to that of GSP, and Hardy's takedown D is better than some are giving him credit for, I'd def say it's better than Thiago's. Sure Kamp could sub him, but GSP had a hard time doing so, I wouldn't say it'd be easy at all. I also think that Kampmann was just one of those bad MMA matchups for Thiago, it happens ala Rampage/Chuck. I'd pick Hardy to catch Kamp and win by TKO, if this fight goes down we should def do a Sig bet.

lay-n-pray is when a someone get's a takedown and just lays on them not trying to advance or attack with submissions. Kampmann was attacking with submission and transitions all night.

Those arm triangles were real threats and you could see that by the way Thiago was constantly trying to distract Kampmann and get out of them in the first place. He tried to lock up half guard to prevent one, rolled onto his stomach to avoid another, used the cage to keep Kampmann from locking one up and finally resorted to grabbing his own wrist to help get some bloodflow back and not pass out before the final bell. Lay and Pray that was not.

It seems like you really just don't want to give Kampmann any credit here, Wolf. Kampmanns game was "better than you thought" at first and still not good enough to land him anywhere relavent, then Paulo must have been injured, now it was lay and pray. Do yourself a favor and watch the fight the whole way through and pay attention to whats going on in it.

wow Ludo. Well said.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Hardy is a better striker, he doesn't wing punches like Thiago was doing Saturday. Against someone not named GSP, he'd counter very effectively. Also add in that he has a lot of power, and Kampmann doesn't move his head at all. GSP was able to get Hardy down, but Kampmann doesn't have wrestling even close to that of GSP, and Hardy's takedown D is better than some are giving him credit for, I'd def say it's better than Thiago's. Sure Kamp could sub him, but GSP had a hard time doing so, I wouldn't say it'd be easy at all. I also think that Kampmann was just one of those bad MMA matchups for Thiago, it happens ala Rampage/Chuck. I'd pick Hardy to catch Kamp and win by TKO, if this fight goes down we should def do a Sig bet.

GSP also had the opportunity to snap Hardy's arm in two a couple times, but decided to let go of it instead of applying more pressure and breaking it.

So that statement is kinda half-true. Hardy woulda definately tapped had GSP decided to SNAP his arm in two places.

NoRegret wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Hardy is a better striker, he doesn't wing punches like Thiago was doing Saturday. Against someone not named GSP, he'd counter very effectively. Also add in that he has a lot of power, and Kampmann doesn't move his head at all. GSP was able to get Hardy down, but Kampmann doesn't have wrestling even close to that of GSP, and Hardy's takedown D is better than some are giving him credit for, I'd def say it's better than Thiago's. Sure Kamp could sub him, but GSP had a hard time doing so, I wouldn't say it'd be easy at all. I also think that Kampmann was just one of those bad MMA matchups for Thiago, it happens ala Rampage/Chuck. I'd pick Hardy to catch Kamp and win by TKO, if this fight goes down we should def do a Sig bet.

GSP also had the opportunity to snap Hardy's arm in two a couple times, but decided to let go of it instead of applying more pressure and breaking it.

You believe that? Some people are flexible and it is hard to put more pressure when in certain positions without losing grip of another part of a body. I am not saying that was the case, but it could have been. It could have also been that GSP was tired and let it go to position himself better to try again or go another route. I don't see a Champion giving up on something like that if he knows he can win the fight by breaking a guys arm. It isn't like he couldn't have surgery and fight again from a broken bone.

I wasn't serious about him being lay and pray really, but ya I am avoiding giving him credit. This is a situation where for me, the battle makes me think less of the loser than more of the winner.

BBC- if you go back and watch the fight again, you can see that GSP isnt tired at all and just decides to let go, almost like he didnt want to permanantly hurt Hardy. He just gave it up...and you could tell that he coulda put alot more torque on it than he did.

People can be more flexible, but bones dont really tend to have a whole lot of flexibility in em...every bone has a breaking point. That has nothing to do with flexibility.

The torque from the one I remember seemed to be on the joint and not the bone.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

The torque from the one I remember seemed to be on the joint and not the bone.

You can still put enough torque on something to pop it outta the joint. And dont give me that crap about him being double jointed..You cant be double jointed on a ball-hinge socket joint to my knowledge.