Dana says if Anderson beats Sonnen and Belfort

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

You know when Dana says this

"I believe that when you make a move like that, for me, it's always all about legacy," White said. "It's never about money or any of that [expletive], so you have to clean out the division."

That anything before it or after it is bullshit. Scratch that whenever Dana opens his mouth bullshit follows. Just like him claiming he'd cut Anderson yeah fucking right! Anderson could go out in his next fight do exactly what he did vs Maia then grab the mic and tell everyone in the arena including Dana to lick his balls and Dana wouldn't cut him.

I don't know about that... He was willing to toss a much bigger draw in Randy without a second thought. Dana's more than capable...

What? Randy left because Dana didn't sign Fedor. Dana didn't get rid of him. And Dana did everything he could to stop Randy/Fedor so how did he just toss him without a second thought?

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

As long as he fights Belfort I don't care what happens after that. Wouldn't make much sense to stay at middle if he beat these two though

Why because there is an issue with being the best at your WC? How is competition the fighters responsibility?

Because he's supposed to be one of the greatest ever and its not difficult for him to fight at 205. Why would he stay at MW and keep beating people he's already fought? Its a way to cement your legacy and keep adding great wins. Can you imagine how boring boxing would have been over the last few years if Pacquiao just decided to stay at a lower weight demolishing people instead of moving up to make big time fights? That's how you go down as one of the greatest ever IMO

He is the greatest MW ever, what is the problem with that? Why can't he just be that? Like I said his job is to be the best MW in the world. Dana and Joe's job is to find the best MW fighers in the world to challenge him. If Silva moved it would be a favor to the UFC, not his obligation.

I agree with that last part... But when the bosses can't find marketable fights for you they can ask you to make a move. And it will be within his rights to say yes or walk away. There are a lot of dangerous fights at 205 for him... I'm wondering if he'll accept the challenge or head elsewhere if Dana holds true to this request? And if he does head elsewhere, will fans say he's ducking this new wave of LHW's?

So the best MW in the world would be accused of avoiding the best LHW in the world? And Silva should give a shit why? I don't understand the demand for BJ, GSP and Spider to move up. Why not just demand the rest of the divsion step their game up? Can you talk shit about the best 200lb wrestler in the world because he won't wreslte the HW? So you can't find anyone to beat me at my game so you are trying to handicap it so that others have a chance? I just don't like that concept.

We may not agree with it, but he's eliminated a class with a pretty thin pool. And who wouldn't pay to see him fight Bones, Lil Nog, Rampage, Bader, Evans or Thiago while looking for a shot at that title? If he doesn't step up to the challenge when asked, and chooses to head elsewhere, I guarantee there will be those out there that will be saying that he was afraid to face many of those guys and that's why he ran...

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

As long as he fights Belfort I don't care what happens after that. Wouldn't make much sense to stay at middle if he beat these two though

Why because there is an issue with being the best at your WC? How is competition the fighters responsibility?

Because he's supposed to be one of the greatest ever and its not difficult for him to fight at 205. Why would he stay at MW and keep beating people he's already fought? Its a way to cement your legacy and keep adding great wins. Can you imagine how boring boxing would have been over the last few years if Pacquiao just decided to stay at a lower weight demolishing people instead of moving up to make big time fights? That's how you go down as one of the greatest ever IMO

He is the greatest MW ever, what is the problem with that? Why can't he just be that? Like I said his job is to be the best MW in the world. Dana and Joe's job is to find the best MW fighers in the world to challenge him. If Silva moved it would be a favor to the UFC, not his obligation.

That's fine but he's supposed to be one of the greatest ever and if you're a competitive person I don't know why you wouldn't be more interested in some great fights at LHW rather than rematches with a bunch of people who mounted absolutely no offense against you in the first fights. He might as well retire at that point

Again why? Retire? Because no one in the world can beat him at his WC? So your career is cut short due to lack of competition? Again hate that concept. Anderson is being critisized for being too good at his job.

Na he can stick around if he wants to, he'll just be involved in a bunch of fights that no one gives a shit about

bobbitt15 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

As long as he fights Belfort I don't care what happens after that. Wouldn't make much sense to stay at middle if he beat these two though

Why because there is an issue with being the best at your WC? How is competition the fighters responsibility?

Because he's supposed to be one of the greatest ever and its not difficult for him to fight at 205. Why would he stay at MW and keep beating people he's already fought? Its a way to cement your legacy and keep adding great wins. Can you imagine how boring boxing would have been over the last few years if Pacquiao just decided to stay at a lower weight demolishing people instead of moving up to make big time fights? That's how you go down as one of the greatest ever IMO

He is the greatest MW ever, what is the problem with that? Why can't he just be that? Like I said his job is to be the best MW in the world. Dana and Joe's job is to find the best MW fighers in the world to challenge him. If Silva moved it would be a favor to the UFC, not his obligation.

That's fine but he's supposed to be one of the greatest ever and if you're a competitive person I don't know why you wouldn't be more interested in some great fights at LHW rather than rematches with a bunch of people who mounted absolutely no offense against you in the first fights. He might as well retire at that point

Again why? Retire? Because no one in the world can beat him at his WC? So your career is cut short due to lack of competition? Again hate that concept. Anderson is being critisized for being too good at his job.

Na he can stick around if he wants to, he'll just be involved in a bunch of fights that no one gives a shit about

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No one cares about them because they don't want to see Spider outclass everyone. So Silva is catching all this shit because he is too good at his job. Again I will never understand the concept, but that is just me I guess.

MMAEYES wrote:

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

You know when Dana says this

"I believe that when you make a move like that, for me, it's always all about legacy," White said. "It's never about money or any of that [expletive], so you have to clean out the division."

That anything before it or after it is bullshit. Scratch that whenever Dana opens his mouth bullshit follows. Just like him claiming he'd cut Anderson yeah fucking right! Anderson could go out in his next fight do exactly what he did vs Maia then grab the mic and tell everyone in the arena including Dana to lick his balls and Dana wouldn't cut him.

I don't know about that... He was willing to toss a much bigger draw in Randy without a second thought. Dana's more than capable...

What? Randy left because Dana didn't sign Fedor. Dana didn't get rid of him. And Dana did everything he could to stop Randy/Fedor so how did he just toss him without a second thought?

Well, there was more to it than just that but my point is that Dana literally did nothing to keep him in the org. Dana knew what Randy wanted in fighting Fedor (That one was mostly out of his hands) and what he wanted as far as being paid since he was the UFC's biggest draw. Dana did nothing to rectify the latter and allowed Randy to walk without much of a second thought. Dana's stubborn and believes his way is the best way and the only way. If he feels disrespected by a fighter for just about any reason he makes it known. And if the fighter doesn't kiss his ass, he makes things real uncomfortable (Where we're at with Anderson now). And if he has demands that aren't being met, I don't think he bats an eye about telling anyone, including Anderson to walk.

I read somewhere yesterday that spider had no interest in fighting at 205.

Dana is just as tired as everyone else of seeing Anderson play dancing with the stars in the cage. Dana wants to give Anderson fights that he can't dance around and clown his opponent. Those fights are at LHW or possibly with GSP at MW IMO. I like this, actually. I have no interest in seeing Anderson sit at MW and be bored to death with the garbage that division has to offer for title shots.

Good work, Dana.

I dont know how he can push Spider without pushing GSP?? Who is there for GSP to fight who he hasnt dominated??

Bigs03 wrote:

Dana is just as tired as everyone else of seeing Anderson play dancing with the stars in the cage. Dana wants to give Anderson fights that he can't dance around and clown his opponent. Those fights are at LHW or possibly with GSP at MW IMO. I like this, actually. I have no interest in seeing Anderson sit at MW and be bored to death with the garbage that division has to offer for title shots.

Good work, Dana.

I couldn't disagree more. I understand it is Dana's job to make interesting fights and sell PPV, that is HIS job. But Spider doesn't owe shit to anyone, not the fans, not Dana, not anyone. He doesn't need to apologize for making all other MW look like minor leaguers. IMO it is insulting to MMA to try to handicap Spider just for the sake of entertainment. I guess you have to watch out and make sure you don't win too many fights in a row, then people get tired of you winning so much.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Dana is just as tired as everyone else of seeing Anderson play dancing with the stars in the cage. Dana wants to give Anderson fights that he can't dance around and clown his opponent. Those fights are at LHW or possibly with GSP at MW IMO. I like this, actually. I have no interest in seeing Anderson sit at MW and be bored to death with the garbage that division has to offer for title shots.

Good work, Dana.

I couldn't disagree more. I understand it is Dana's job to make interesting fights and sell PPV, that is HIS job. But Spider doesn't owe shit to anyone, not the fans, not Dana, not anyone. He doesn't need to apologize for making all other MW look like minor leaguers. IMO it is insulting to MMA to try to handicap Spider just for the sake of entertainment. I guess you have to watch out and make sure you don't win too many fights in a row, then people get tired of you winning so much.

It has nothing to do with winning, it has everything to do with Anderson not giving his best and finishing opponents that he could obviously finish easily. You don't see Dana doing the same to GSP because GSP tries hard and wants to put guys away. If Anderson was doing that you wouldn't hear this shit from Dana.

Bigs03 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Dana is just as tired as everyone else of seeing Anderson play dancing with the stars in the cage. Dana wants to give Anderson fights that he can't dance around and clown his opponent. Those fights are at LHW or possibly with GSP at MW IMO. I like this, actually. I have no interest in seeing Anderson sit at MW and be bored to death with the garbage that division has to offer for title shots.

Good work, Dana.

I couldn't disagree more. I understand it is Dana's job to make interesting fights and sell PPV, that is HIS job. But Spider doesn't owe shit to anyone, not the fans, not Dana, not anyone. He doesn't need to apologize for making all other MW look like minor leaguers. IMO it is insulting to MMA to try to handicap Spider just for the sake of entertainment. I guess you have to watch out and make sure you don't win too many fights in a row, then people get tired of you winning so much.

It has nothing to do with winning, it has everything to do with Anderson not giving his best and finishing opponents that he could obviously finish easily. You don't see Dana doing the same to GSP because GSP tries hard and wants to put guys away. If Anderson was doing that you wouldn't hear this shit from Dana.

So because Anderson can toy with his opponents and still finish more guys then GSP that is the problem? Listen, I really don't like Spider in any way but you guys are nuts with this demanding he fight LHW just for entertainment purposes.

I support this. I want to see Anderson at Light Heavyweight while he has something left.

BTW great signature LTFG.

Thanks Ali

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Dana is just as tired as everyone else of seeing Anderson play dancing with the stars in the cage. Dana wants to give Anderson fights that he can't dance around and clown his opponent. Those fights are at LHW or possibly with GSP at MW IMO. I like this, actually. I have no interest in seeing Anderson sit at MW and be bored to death with the garbage that division has to offer for title shots.

Good work, Dana.

I couldn't disagree more. I understand it is Dana's job to make interesting fights and sell PPV, that is HIS job. But Spider doesn't owe shit to anyone, not the fans, not Dana, not anyone. He doesn't need to apologize for making all other MW look like minor leaguers. IMO it is insulting to MMA to try to handicap Spider just for the sake of entertainment. I guess you have to watch out and make sure you don't win too many fights in a row, then people get tired of you winning so much.

It has nothing to do with winning, it has everything to do with Anderson not giving his best and finishing opponents that he could obviously finish easily. You don't see Dana doing the same to GSP because GSP tries hard and wants to put guys away. If Anderson was doing that you wouldn't hear this shit from Dana.

So because Anderson can toy with his opponents and still finish more guys then GSP that is the problem? Listen, I really don't like Spider in any way but you guys are nuts with this demanding he fight LHW just for entertainment purposes.

Yeah, he can finish guys, but he doesn't. That's the problem. No one, not the fans, not Dana, not Lorenzo, no one wants to see Anderson do what he's been doing lately. So Dana is pressing the issue. I would imagine that if Anderson comes out and puts on great performances against Sonnen and Vitor then we won't see him get pushed to LHW involuntarily. If he plays dancing with the stars again we will see Dana continue to push the issue.

Don't like this at all. Not a fan of Spider but I think fighters should be able to fight in whatever division they want and shouldn't be mandated by anyone.

Prolly just Dana talking out of his ass again. Boy, when has that ever happened? lol

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

I used to think he might leave, but the fights are all in the UFC for him.

Sheilds will be a WW in the UFC, if he signs

Watch out for Wandy, if he moves his way up in the time Anderson fights Sonnen and Vitor, there's a def 3rd fight

LA i would give a chunk of unusable flesh of my body to see a Wandy from a few years ago before the FIghts with Hunt,CC and Fujita, get a chance to fight anderson.

I truly believe it was these types of fights against true heavies that led to his slowing down. Without these fights I dont know if Hendo or page KTFO Wand

So let me get this right. They are going to make him do something that he doesn't want to do? And you guys are for that? Yeah, I would be cool with him at 205 but thats not the point. He doesn't, and that is all that matters in my mind.

GolbeZ wrote:

So let me get this right. They are going to make him do something that he doesn't want to do? And you guys are for that? Yeah, I would be cool with him at 205 but thats not the point. He doesn't, and that is all that matters in my mind.

If you were the president of the UFC would you want Anderson fucking up main events like the last one? I wouldn't. What else do you propose Dana should do to get Anderson some decent competition?

Bigs03 wrote:

GolbeZ wrote:

So let me get this right. They are going to make him do something that he doesn't want to do? And you guys are for that? Yeah, I would be cool with him at 205 but thats not the point. He doesn't, and that is all that matters in my mind.

If you were the president of the UFC would you want Anderson fucking up main events like the last one? I wouldn't. What else do you propose Dana should do to get Anderson some decent competition?

I don't know what Dana should do but that's not Anderson's fault. Maybe dana should bust his ass trying to get contenders to MW, or maybe he should wait till his contract is up, and lower his pay if he still wants to stay at MW being that he isn't a draw there anymore (though that option could lose him). I am not going to business school, so i don't know, but I do have to go to work just blows.

Bigs03 wrote:

GolbeZ wrote:

So let me get this right. They are going to make him do something that he doesn't want to do? And you guys are for that? Yeah, I would be cool with him at 205 but thats not the point. He doesn't, and that is all that matters in my mind.

If you were the president of the UFC would you want Anderson fucking up main events like the last one? I wouldn't. What else do you propose Dana should do to get Anderson some decent competition?

You do what Dana did....Tell Spider that if he ever does that again, he's out of a job. That should be more than enough.

Forcing him to compete in a weight class he may not care to compete in goes against everything combat sports is about. It also shows, to me, that the more exposure and popularity UFC gains, Dana is becoming more and more of an egomaniac that feels he needs to be the king puppetmaster of the company. He's willing to manipulate competition to serve his own ego. It's fucking sickening.

Calm down... Anderson wants to fight at 205 he just dont wanna fight his training partners. I think his contract will be up after Sonnen and Vitor.

redvexx8 wrote:

Calm down... Anderson wants to fight at 205 he just dont wanna fight his training partners.

And that should be at Anderson's discretion and timetable. Not because Emperor Dana forces him to.

this is chicken shit on Danas part

if Anderson beats SOnnen and Belfort let him DO WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS

was Dana gonna force Rich Franklin and Matt Hughes to move up if they kept winning

dont think so

Rich Franklin and Hughes never cleaned their divisions out this bad and people actually liked watching them fight while Anderson is fight-AIDS to most UFC fans after his last fight.

Anyway if Rua wins Anderson moves up almost immediately.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Rich Franklin and Hughes never cleaned their divisions out this bad and people actually liked watching them fight while Anderson is fight-AIDS to most UFC fans after his last fight.

Anyway if Rua wins Anderson moves up almost immediately.

Hughes didnt beat Trigg? Newton? GSP? ya he lost to Penn and the GSP rematch but he was close to cleaning it out

how long was Franklin Champ for?

come on you know this is chicken shit, just cause you dont like Anderson at the division doesnt mean Dana gets to fix divisions the way he wants them