JDS needs a contender

Wolfgangsta wrote:

JDS is hardly guaranteed to win the fight with the loser of Mir/Carwin. Farmer has a mancrush on JDS.

He picks either apart standing. Mir has a chance if he can get it to the ground though. That is the only part of JDS game that is untested.

I think JDS could beat Mir or Carwin, Cain would be sick and a toss up, Brock would get him down and rape him like he does, just the way it is.

Progression and potential wise, JDS is third in development behind Cain and Carwin. Cain just got his biggest marque win against Nog. Carwin is about to have his similar possible marque win if he beats Mir. Take away those two instances from Cain and Carwin and they are more or less right around where JDS sits after tonight. He is a step behind them in need of his marque win. Because talent is so thin at HW though, that win will have to be against somebody mentioned in this post. Anyone else stalls that momentum and potentially derails it all together.

He should fight Roy Nelson next.

Do you guys think that JDS could compete with Brock? I seem to think he could, however a buddy of mine says Brock would just bull-rush him and ground and pound him into oblivion. What are yalls opinion on the matter?

JDS = the best stand-up at HW. Brock wouldn't last long standing with JDS, but once Brock got his hands on him it would get ugly, but you could could say the same thing for anyone on the division, except maybe Cain.

I like JDS. And perhaps he does deserve something bigger, but I don't see Kongo as a gimme.

And I have him as an underdog vs either Mir or Carwin.

captain organic wrote:

I like JDS. And perhaps he does deserve something bigger, but I don't see Kongo as a gimme.

And I have him as an underdog vs either Mir or Carwin.

Kongo was scared to bang with the Headhunter. You saw how easily Mir knocked him out. JDS has already seen top strikers in Cro Cop, Gonzaga, and Yvel. Kongo would go down just like they did.

If his next opponent isn't Mir, Carwin, or Cain then I'm not a happy camper.

Since when is Gonzaga a top striker? Yeah he has nasty leg kicks but he leaves himself open alot, has sloppy posture and defense when he's throwing these all or nothing kicks, and has almost zero head movement. He has power, thats about it.

Farmer1906 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

I like JDS. And perhaps he does deserve something bigger, but I don't see Kongo as a gimme.

And I have him as an underdog vs either Mir or Carwin.

Kongo was scared to bang with the Headhunter. You saw how easily Mir knocked him out. JDS has already seen top strikers in Cro Cop, Gonzaga, and Yvel. Kongo would go down just like they did.

If his next opponent isn't Mir, Carwin, or Cain then I'm not a happy camper.

I don't know if scared is the proper term, kongo did quite well standing last night, and the takedowns were good gamplanning..

Mir caught him, dude's get caught, it happens.

And Cro Cop is way past the time in which he should be called a top striker.

I think Kongo is a good matchup. But I did start my post stating that Cain is the obvious choice.

These guys are top strikers in the UFC HW division. Who do you put ahead of them? Not many people.

IMO you have to give JDS one of the very top guys. Cain, Carwin, Lesnar or Mir. It has to be one of those guys. No one else will do.

I agree, anyone less than Mir/Carwin loser, Cain, or Nog(very doubtful) will be a lose/no win situation. There is no other victory over any other HW that advances him to a title shot.

Nog def wouldn't happen, he was in his corner last night

Gonzaga is a striker in the same regard as Tank Abbott was. He can take a decent shot and he hits hard. But technique wise he's not a top striker at all. I would put Cain, Carwin, Mir, Nogueira, JDS, and Kongo all ahead of Gonzaga in terms of striking ability. Just because there isn't a slew of guys to throw ahead of him doesn't make him a top striker by default.

I don't think the UFC has much in the way of elite strikers in general. They have big guys who know how to throw and who hit hard. With those two elements any of them could be considered dangerous strikers. Most of the HW's though have a foundation in wrestling and grappling. Some have more striking in their background like Kongo but with all of that kickboxing and muay thai background he still resorted to ground work against a boxer style guy in Buentello. JDS is a a legit striker and comes from championship kickboxing background where no one beat him in 15 pro fights. Just seeing what the rest of the division does and what we know of the fighting principles they have come up by, I don't think it is a stretch to call JDS the most elite HW stiker in UFC right now.

JDS is possibly the most dangerous HW fighter in the world. That power is serious man. He is way too fast for anyone in that division with his hands. Combine that with great technique and one punch KO power and you might be looking at the future HW champion.

Give him Cain next. I think that is a pretty clear matchup that needs to happen. Im taking JDS by KO.

JDS is by far the best striker in the HW division. Problem is, everyone else is bigger than he is, has one shot power, and most of them have near unstoppable takedown games or submission games.

There are only so many inferior strikers Dos Santos can take on before a legit wrestler takes him down and prison rapes him and his hype train. A guy like Brock Lesnar would maul him.

The death of kickboxing at HW is real, it is happening, and Dos Santos in a year(unless he proves to be a legitimate once a generation athletic prodigy) will be exposed as a casualty of this.

Don't take this to mean he doesn't deserve his ranking, he certainly does, but short of Kongo, the rest of the UFC HW division is a giant slew of bad match ups.

The future of HW is heavy handed large grappler/wrestlers turned boxers. Not crisp boxing from crusier weights with no weight class to fight in.

Dos Santos answered some questions by getting back to his feet after a Gonzaga takedown, but I doubt he could do the same if Carwin, Cain, Mir or Lesnar took him down.

Also, as good a striker he is, he fights in a division where the key players all have enough techique and power to knock him out anyway if he makes a but a small mistake.

Dos Santos is a great fighter, this is true. He is essentially a giant Jose Aldo. The problem is, Jose Aldo doesn't have to fight guys with the size and skills of GSP.

oggy420 wrote:

JDS is possibly the most dangerous HW fighter in the world. That power is serious man. He is way too fast for anyone in that division with his hands. Combine that with great technique and one punch KO power and you might be looking at the future HW champion.

Give him Cain next. I think that is a pretty clear matchup that needs to happen. Im taking JDS by KO.

Oggs my man you sir are a prisoner of the moment.

from what i saw he has good hips and scrambled really well when Gonz took him down. Plus he trains with the NOG brothers for a long time so im sure he's decent off his back.

first of all who are you even talking about? Cause there are only 2 guys who come to mind when you talk about dominant wrestlers in that division and they are Brock and Cain. And JDS is the same size if not a little bigger than Cain. There are alot of holes in Cain's stand up and JDS is definitley a guy who can take advantage of that. If they fight im definitley picking JDS.

The closed guard is dead. If Mir couldn't stop Lesnar on top, this cat aint either.

He loses via TKO to the first wrestler he faces short of a KO before or during the first shot attempt.

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first of all who are you even talking about? Cause there are only 2 guys who come to mind when you talk about dominant wrestlers in that division and they are Brock and Cain. And JDS is the same size if not a little bigger than Cain. There are alot of holes in Cain's stand up and JDS is definitley a guy who can take advantage of that. If they fight im definitley picking JDS.

Carwin, Cain, Lesnar, that makes three. Dos Santos is the same size or a little smaller than Cain actually.

Cain has good, fast striking and has shown to be more well rounded than Dos Santos has. From a style perspective alone, Cain would be a significant favorite.

In any event, had the Nog fight happened last night and Gonzaga been plastered last month, most of us would be voicing opposite opinions.

JDS has never faced a dominant wrestler like Brock. Brock has never faced a dominant striker like JDS or even a decent striker. So how can you be so sure of how the fight will go? JDS ia actually a much more proven fighter than Brock at this point. He's beaten the best Jiu Jitsu guys and some very good strikers. Brock has beat Mir, but also lost to Mir, Herring who's basically a can at this point, and Old Man Couture.

Cain got ROCKED by Kongo several times and it's clear Kongo doesn't have the power or the technique that JDS has. When JDS touches you on the chin you're going out and thats that.