Does Brock get P4P recognition.....

if he starts mowing threw the ever burgeoning group of super heavies?

He won't so he won't.

Let me ask it this way then.

Do any of the ever growing # of super heavies get p4p points for mowing threw other super heavies?

It depends on how they do it. If they show super rounded skills then I am sure, but if it is just typical meat truck KOs and wrestling, no way.

when Brock is able to use other aspects of fighting besides his size and strength to beat people then he will get recognition. When i see Brock sub someone or ko someone with good boxing technique he will gain my full respect, but right now all he does is grab them and use his strentgh to get them down, and then drop those canned hams on them with hammer fists. That is not showing well rounded skills.

Winning is all the skills I need to see.

is strait rankings yes, not p4p rankings. P4P means if all these guys were the same size, who's skills would come out on top. Yes quality wins do play into it but they are not the deciding factor, at least for me. All the guys at the top p4p list win their fights, it's how they do it that seperates them.

I was argueing with some1 about this yesterday oggy it may have been LA but my point was if BJ was Brocks size the skills he has now might not be the same. He said i over analzye it but you kinda have to if I go by the things u just said.

And by the way i dont have Brock in my top 10 or 20 either I dont think.

timthebim wrote:

I was argueing with some1 about this yesterday oggy it may have been LA but my point was if BJ was Brocks size the skills he has now might not be the same. He said i over analzye it but you kinda have to if I go by the things u just said.

Ya, I saw that. I disagree that you're over analyzing as much as not using much analysis at all.

The reason why p4p rankings are stupid is because for instance if Anderson Silva was the same size as Brock then he wouldn't have the reach advantage he has now over opponents and he wouldn't be anywhere near as fast. Also, if you were Brock why would you waste your time learning submissions when no one in the UFC can get anywhere near him the way he is now?

For me when i'm doing my p4p rankings I just base it on how good they are compared to everyone else in their division.

Ya no one can submit Lesnar, no one right?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya no one can submit Lesnar, no one right?

Ur right no 1 can lol.

oggy420 wrote:

when Brock is able to use other aspects of fighting besides his size and strength to beat people then he will get recognition. When i see Brock sub someone or ko someone with good boxing technique he will gain my full respect, but right now all he does is grab them and use his strentgh to get them down, and then drop those canned hams on them with hammer fists. That is not showing well rounded skills.

i dont think he just use his strength to hold people down. in his second fight with mir, brock used very good wrestling skills to stifle mir's BJJ, and we know how good mir is fighting off his back. i dont think brock gets enough credit for this. i consider him to be the shaquille o'neal of mma. shaq was unstoppable within 4 feet of the hoop, as brock is unstoppable with the takedowns and GnP. both guys dont have exceptional all around skills for their respective sports, but they still can dominate because they are very good and efficient at what they do, and in the end it's the W that counts.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya no one can submit Lesnar, no one right?

If you read my post properly instead of being a sarcastic idiot then you'd realise I never mentioned anything about him ever being submitted or that he can't be submitted. I said why should he waste his time learning submissions. Which was meant that he doesn't need BJJ.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya no one can submit Lesnar, no one right?

If you read my post properly instead of being a sarcastic idiot then you'd realise I never mentioned anything about him ever being submitted or that he can't be submitted. I said why should he waste his time learning submissions. Which was meant that he doesn't need BJJ.

great wrestlers have to learn BJJ, if anything to learn defending against it. and you cant defend it unless you know how it works. that was how royce gracie was so successful during the inception of MMA, nobody was ready for BJJ

captain organic wrote:

Does Brock get P4P recognition.....

Would he be mowing threw guys if it werent for his size and the HGH he took?

Since when does pound for pound mean if all of these guys were the same size? Pound for pound means how dominant they are at their weight classes. Brock is the #2 HW in the world until proven otherwise. He hasn't had many fights though so P4P he is near the bottom of the top 10.

MikeyLikesIt wrote:

Since when does pound for pound mean if all of these guys were the same size? Pound for pound means how dominant they are at their weight classes. Brock is the #2 HW in the world until proven otherwise. He hasn't had many fights though so P4P he is near the bottom of the top 10.

Wikipedia ;

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Pound for pound is the term used in boxing, mixed martial arts, and other combat sports to describe a fighter's value in relation to fighters of different weight classes. In boxing, Ring Magazine's pound for pound list is the established standard for ranking fighters pound for pound. Because of the emphasis on the size of the boxer, pound for pound ratings predominantly feature fewer heavyweights, focusing primarily on boxers middleweight or below.

It can also be used to describe how any two things compare when bearing in mind their varying quantities. For example, a tin of tomatoes weighing 250 g and costing $2.50 is more expensive, pound for pound, than one weighing 500 g and costing $4 (as the former costs $1.00 per 100 g and the latter $0.80 per 100 g).

Urban Dictionary ;

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Pound for Pound is the term used in boxing, mixed martial arts and other combat sports to describe a fighter's value in relation to fighters of different weight classes.
Robinson was called the pound for pound best without being expected to beat much larger fighters, under the belief that he as a Middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him.

I think brock is worthy of a 17 to 25 area, if Machida is Brocks size I think he still ends up on his back

Easy answer, No

Birdofthad wrote:

I think brock is worthy of a 17 to 25 area, if Machida is Brocks size I think he still ends up on his back

Why, Brock doesn't have the same wrestling skills as smaller athletes with D1 creds, it's all size. You are being fooled into thinking his wrestling is better than it is. People have a natural association of size with skill, and this is why HW's always draw more even if to educated viewers they're big retards. It's subconcious.

I know what your saying
the way I look at it is if he in P4P is fighting someone I blow them up to him at heavyweight, I think alot of people on the list would have problems with his size even if they were a heavy

If he dropped down he would be like a Sherk IMO with less wrestling skill but better uscle

was Sherk ever on P4P lists? cause I think he was, maybe Im wrong?

Sherk was but Sherk benefited from the old age where wrestling was all you needed and he was more well rounded than Brock is by a large margin anyway. Sherk has 30 plus fights, Brock has five.

Shrunken down, on today's p4p, he isn't even close to as good as Jake Rosholt or Josh Koscheck.

MikeyLikesIt wrote:

Since when does pound for pound mean if all of these guys were the same size? Pound for pound means how dominant they are at their weight classes. Brock is the #2 HW in the world until proven otherwise. He hasn't had many fights though so P4P he is near the bottom of the top 10.

Basically since the beginning of time.