Thiago OMG???

Perfect example Farm. rd 1 Diego Guida would be my prototype 10-7. those rds are rare, but they do happen.

Was Evans Thiago a clear 10-8 3rd in my mind? Tough to say yes on it's own right, but compared to the previous 2 rounds, which Evans did win even though he caused little damage, I'd say the 3rd was indeed a 10-8(which answers your question prime). But I knew the judge's were not going to score it as such.

I just don't understand why in a 10 pt scoring system that 2 pts is the widest margin ever given.

I was hoping for that answer, each fight and round needs to be looked at seperately to score not past fights.


It's the widest margin because of how the rules are written to score. I'm not against going to a scoring system that would be better. I feel MMA needs it's own unique scoring system and not follow the 10 point must system. But while it's in place it needs to be followed.

Primetyme199 wrote:

I'm willing to bet Evans didn't keep Silva down and GnP because that was the gameplan. The plan was to move, flurry on the feet and take him down. Why would Evans want to stay on the ground with Silva? He got the takedowns then was putting his weight on Silva to drain him when he was getting up. It worked, if he wasn't so damn tired he would have finished Evans in the 3rd.

why wouldnt he want to stay in side control or mount ( i still think side is better position) and gnp him to a win????

Honestly I think he knew he would be swept and put into a really bad position. He is no where near the skill level of Silva on the ground.

Agree on the idea that Rashad didn't want to wind up with Thiago on top. His GnP is very dangerous. But on that same note, why didn't Thiago attempt any takedowns? He could have evened the points out and worked his ground and pound. Rashad is a lot smaller and I doubt he could have blocked all his attempts. Thiago's game plan is really questionable.

I questioned the lack of takedown attempts by Thiago myself Wolfy, that whole fight was just weird to me. Rashad scoring takedowns and doing nothing, Thiago having Rashad done and not taking advantage.

The point that didn't make sense to me is when he had Thiago mounted and nothing happened, he didn't throw one punch, you would've thought at that point, from his past fights that he would've unloaded, and after that he couldn't even keep Thiago down, good gameplan, but was it exectued to its full extent, or was it take him down and let him up and do it again, not exciting for the fans, but also not the way to get the title back.

It was an obvious work.

redvexx8 wrote:

It was an obvious work.

What does this mean? or in reply too?

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

He had him done, WTF!!!!!!!!!!

Not impressed by Rashad at all, he did no damage with those takedowns

Dude I was so impressed by Shad until he got suckered into a throw down. Then again, if it was a real fight, there would not have been a ref to stop Shad from beating the shit out of Thiago on the ground.

Rampage is going to have Rashad doing the "stanky leg"

cascade_run wrote:

The point that didn't make sense to me is when he had Thiago mounted and nothing happened, he didn't throw one punch, you would've thought at that point, from his past fights that he would've unloaded, and after that he couldn't even keep Thiago down, good gameplan, but was it exectued to its full extent, or was it take him down and let him up and do it again, not exciting for the fans, but also not the way to get the title back.

i rewatched the fight. what i notice was 1. he was too busy holding down thiago (a bigger and stronger guy) to land any punches 2.thiago neutralized both of his arms on the ground so that he couldnt land any punches. 3. rashad kept gambling for better positions on the ground and probably forgot about settling down and doing damage.

My dad is a fringe fan at best and he thought the fight was a work. I was so pissed when Thiago just stood there while Rashad was obviously hurt. I'm still pissed. Even the guys on TUF will go in for the kill when someone's hurt, even if they're gassed. I've always liked Thiago but that really pissed me off.

And I agree with others here, Rampage is gonna send Rashad's head into the 10th row.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

And prepare to watch Rampage KO Shad, callin it now

Fuck yeah, I thought he was gonna KO him after the Jardine match.

Have you guys ever been that gassed before? Jump on a treadmill at 9mph for about 10 minutes and then try to do something other than catch your breath and puke. He did go for the kill for a second but he obviously had nothing left if he couldnt even hold his hands up. When your that gassed there is not much you can do. The same thing happened in Alexander vs Kimbo and lots of people thought that was a work.

He should try to improve his cardio. I think it would have made the difference in that fight.

redvexx8 wrote:

Have you guys ever been that gassed before? Jump on a treadmill at 9mph for about 10 minutes and then try to do something other than catch your breath and puke. He did go for the kill for a second but he obviously had nothing left if he couldnt even hold his hands up. When your that gassed there is not much you can do. The same thing happened in Alexander vs Kimbo and lots of people thought that was a work.

He should try to improve his cardio. I think it would have made the difference in that fight.

Now that I've heard he had a back injury I'm starting to understand why he was gassed.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

He had him done, WTF!!!!!!!!!!

Not impressed by Rashad at all, he did no damage with those takedowns

Dude I was so impressed by Shad until he got suckered into a throw down. Then again, if it was a real fight, there would not have been a ref to stop Shad from beating the shit out of Thiago on the ground.

??? The ref never stood them up, and Rashad did literally no damage on the ground or in general

Did you see Thiago's face after all those slams? I think a couple of them really hurt him. I don't believe that the body shot Rashad landed is getting enough due either, it seemed to really buckle Thiago. Getting to your feet is very taxing in itself.

LA, when has Thiago ever shown good cardio late into his fights? In all honesty he looked as good or better later into this fight than he has before.

That was frustration, like hey Rashad is this a fight or wrestling match? Fightmetric says it all.

That was frustration, like hey Rashad is this a fight or wrestling match? Fightmetric says it all.

LA are you disagreeing with the idea Rashad simply was unable to score damage on the ground, or worse, are you devolving into a fratboy/boxing-fan/simpleminded nitwit who thinks takedowns are "pussy shit" and being a "real man" means throwing haymakers?

Please tell me you're just wrong, and not stupid LA. Please.

Look at the fight. Thiago jumps back to his feet after each takedown. Rashad tried to mount, tried to pass, but couldn't, time and time again. Do you disagree?

Anyway, Thiago appeared to grimace in pain. Ever been slammed like that? Knocks the wind right out of you. I am sure frustration at losing the fight, coupled with the suckyness of being slammed on an already tender back working in concert caused those faces.

The grimace had to do with his already existing back pain, and he looked frustrated with Rashad's whole gameplan IMO, take down's, where Thiago would just get right back up, give credit to Thiago and take it away from Rashad if u ask me. I was very unimpressed with a guy who just shot in, got a guy down, only to do nodamage and allow him up seconds later, he didn't even do well on his feet. Thiago with a healthy back can stop some of those takedowns, attempt his own, and in general knows what to expect, and knows he can take Shad standing.

I gotta say, I wholey disagree with any notion Rashad wanted to "win on points" and his game plan was to cruise to a decision win. His gameplan was to work striking to a point takedowns can be made, and work ground and pound, but Thiago's scrambled kept him from getting into a position to finish. Also a point in his gameplan was likely avoid the takedown, sweep.

Maybe Rashad could have held him down a little better if he tried harder, but the way Thiago was able to scramble off his back, clearly the risk of a sweep was very very real, and no one wants to be in that position with Thiago on top.

I find it downright stupid to fault Rashad for not standing and trading with a guy who as we all saw hits hard even when tired, and not needlessly allowing himself to be swept to the bottom where the danger of Thiago's ground and pound is very real.

The reason Greg Jackson is so respected in MMA today is because his game-plans involve avoiding putting yourself in danger or at the mercy of your opponents strengths needlessly while at the same time exploiting weaknesses that other fighters may have. It's how his fighters have done so well.

I certainly don't see how avoiding shootouts and winding up on your back against a blackbelt who finishes literally all of his fights by GnP or punches is not wanting to finish.

What's next, we gonna fault guys who don't jump into Anderson Silva's clinch?

Face it, Rashad was trying to get a division, rather than win a fight.

Do u not really think a healthy Thiago would give Shad a tougher fight?

But LA, dispite whatever the compupoop numbers say, Thiago only landed one real significant blow that caused any damage at all. Thiago's chin is just as much of a question as we have seen him rocked by nobodies and KO'd just as easily by Machida. Thiago was just as gunshy in terms of commiting to real power punches until late in the fight once all hope of winning besides KO was lost, and as soon as he rocked Rashad, he went back into his own shell again, fearing Shad's speed and counters.

I don't think a single hail mary punch negates the totality of information on both fighters. You obviously won't agree, but I feel Rashad should and would still be expected to have a striking advantage if they ever fight again based on speed alone.

Rashad is at least as smart and certainly has better trainers. Jackson>ATT by a wide margin. Rashad will know what to expect next time as well right?