Gun Laws

Aaron Weiss, Iraq combat vet, speaks brilliantly to Dutchess County against the 'Safe Act'

This is a local cop from where I am from, and he makes me proud to be an American.

Watch this video and then tell me you still want to take our guns away.....

Army Veteran & Cop Aaron Weiss Gives The Best 2nd Amendment Speech Ever - Dutchess County - NY

Gun-Grabbing Senators Face Colorado Voter Firing Squad In Recall  

Published on Sep 11, 2013  


In an unprecedented backlash, two state lawmakers who helped stiffen Colorado's gun laws were ousted Tuesday in a recall that turned into a nationally watched referendum on gun control.

Colorado Senate President John Morse, who shepherded the legislation to passage, was defeated on a 51%-49% vote. Sen. Angela Giron of Pueblo, a fellow Democrat who voted in favor of the measures, lost 56% to 44%. They were replaced by Republicans who opposed the new restrictions. In an unprecedented backlash, two state lawmakers who helped stiffen Colorado's gun laws were ousted Tuesday in a recall that turned into a nationally watched referendum on gun control.

Saw this on Bill Maher.

NRA:

Nuts
Racists
&
Assholes.

Why hasn't the NRA come out and said if Trayvon Martin had a gun
Then he would be alive
Why doesn't the NRA call for the arming of all black men.

I'm going to see bill perform in like a month I can't wait !!

oggy420 wrote:

18 Little-Known Gun Facts That Prove That Guns Make Us Safer


#1 Over the past 20 years, gun sales have absolutely exploded, but homicides with firearms are down 39 percent during that time and “other crimes with firearms” are down 69 percent.


You can read the rest of that manual right here. http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/748675/gun-violencemessaging-guide-pdf-1.pdf

Yet the number of actual gun owners is down, so it's less people who own guns. At least legally.
NRA crazies buying up guns in fear of the gov't making these guns unavailable(or the "inevitable" race wars). Of coarse the NRA and the extreme right wing politicians whom they support are the one's pushing this notion. Thus driving up sales of guns. Which of coarse lines the pockets of gun manufacturers.

So point #1 is very misleading.

I'd be much more supportive of Gun right supporters if they actually advocated responsible gun ownership. But they do not. They talk the talk, but do not walk the walk.

October 26, 2011

Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993

Majority of men, Republicans, and Southerners report having a gun in their households

by Lydia Saad


PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993, albeit marginally above the 44% and 45% highs seen during that period.

and yet gun crime is down

so 47 percent of American adults must all be racist, red neck right wing extremists, apparently. And all of them are irresponsible...


the truth is most gun violence in this country occurs in cities like Chicago where gang members are shooting each other over drugs. Stop prohibition of drugs, and stop treating law abiding gun owners as criminals who shouldn't have a right to defend themselves, and this would be a lot less of a problem.

aren't you a heavy weed smoker and conspiracy theory obsessive oggy?

would you still be able to legally own a gun if they took a urine sample and examined your browsing habits?

cheekynffc wrote:

aren't you a heavy weed smoker and conspiracy theory obsessive oggy?

would you still be able to legally own a gun if they took a urine sample and examined your browsing habits?

Yes I smoke marijuana, don't see what that has to do with anything.

Yes I believe in conspiracies, don't see what that has to do with anything.

No one is going to take a urine sample. Don't see what that has to do with anything.

Browsing habits? If you are talking about illegal NSA spying, than yea, that is probably going on.

But still, don't see what an illegal spying program has to do with gun ownership.

Read the 2nd amendment some time

It says my right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It doesn't say shall not be infringed unless you smoke weed, are politically awake, or use a computer.

I suppose people who smoke weed should just get their children taken by CPS and then murdered by foster parents

You know I'm with you on the weed. But where does the murdered by foster parents come from? That's some dark shit.

because that is what our country is doing now.

Taking peoples kids away because they smoke weed at night when the kid is sleeping, throw them in foster homes with known predators and pedophiles, and they get murdered or severely abused. Like in the above video I posted.

oggy420 wrote:

because that is what our country is doing now.

Taking peoples kids away because they smoke weed at night when the kid is sleeping, throw them in foster homes with known predators and pedophiles, and they get murdered or severely abused. Like in the above video I posted.

I have no doubt that happens, but I have a hard time believing that is the norm. I know there are plenty of shitty foster homes out there, but I would think the majority of them aren't filled with murderers. Sounds like an extreme case. But even omitting the murdering, placing kids in foster homes because of marijuana is just insane. It's crazy that smoking a joint at night could result in something like that, scary thought.

the discrimination against gun owners is disgusting

CHILD TAKEN Because FATHER READ GUN MAGAZINE



Government-run gun confiscation kickback program exposed

Reading a hunting magazine in New York may lead your doctor to consider you a threat.


In a series of events, which amplify the fallacy of the “see something, say something” snitch campaign, Ulster County resident Damir Juric’s visit to the hospital destroyed his life.

In a YouTube interview, Juric said he was given a hunting magazine to read while at the hospital.

Juric said, “The magazine had a property of Benedictine Hospital sticker on it.” According to Juric, when aphysician saw this, he immediately considered him a threat, which subsequently led him to lose his daughter, reputation, employment and safety.

Earlier this year, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo demanded psychiatrists turn over all medical records to the state, bestowing upon bureaucrats the power to divide families and grow CPS simply by declaring parents “mentally incompetent,” with intentional disregard to patient privacy laws.

Since Juric’s nightmare began, the New York Supreme Court has ruled that the physician in his case had no evidence and breached confidentiality. Although the State of New York’s Children and Family Services has cleared Juric as of 2012, the Ulster Family Court has thus far refused to reverse the order which would clear Juric’s name and allow him to see his daughter. They instead issued a warrant for his arrest for unpaid child support.

An embattled Juric recently told Infowars, “They have drained me of everything, I didn’t think this could happen in America.”

Think twice about reading gun magazines in New York; Big Brother is watching and if you are a veteran, Veterans Affairs doctors are purposely seeking you out to take your guns away, as noted in a recent interview with an unnamed VA psychiatrist in NY.

The unnamed VA psychiatrist described the typical visit which ends in gun confiscation.

They come in for about an hour, he said, and ask questions about family and school history followed by a mental health screening which includes prescribing medications. “If they are stable and everything is fine,” the doctor then says, “I see on this progress report you own firearms,” and the veteran will say, “Yes I do.” Then the doctor says,“I’m going to have to ask you to surrender your firearms.”

If the veteran does not agree to surrendering his firearms, the doctor explains he will be involuntarily detained in a psychiatric hospital and the veteran will not be able to leave, go home or go to work unless he complies.

The psychiatrist can then push a button which notifies the V.A. police and they come and detain the veteran.

The doctors reportedly get a bonus of $3,000 per veteran that gives up their guns voluntarily or involuntarily.

They ask questions like, “Do you feel that the government can watch you?” and “Do you believe that the government wants to take your guns?”

Answering “Yes” puts a veteran into the clinical category of “paranoid,” and if you don’t agree with the Obama administration, or are a “patriot,” have a Gadsden flag or listen to “conspiracy theorists, like Alex Jones,” the physician could categorize you as “hostile.”

If a veteran lives in an “all-white” area, he is automatically considered a “white separatist.”

The VA psychiatrist stated, “If you want your medication, you will not have your gun.”

Even if you go in for a physical ailment, they will probably send you to psychiatry because none of the doctors want to be responsible for dispensing pain medication.

The VA psychiatrist also suggested the best thing a veteran can do is not deal with the VA but instead go to another doctor.

However, missing a psychiatric appointment can land a veteran a visit from the VA police and local police (they call it a “wellness check”) complete with an interrogation regarding his missed doctor’s appointment.

Earlier this year, Infowars reported on a Navy Veteran in Connecticut, whose guns were confiscated after a doctor called police to give him a “wellness check.”

I hear New York gun laws are insane. I remember hearing about it back when Plaxico shot himself in the leg at that nightclub. They were comparing the punishment for different states and it was comical about how wide the variety was. I don't remember the details, I just remember it was pretty insane.

gun laws are insane here. But the culture of fear propaganda is worse. I recently went to a sporting good store to buy ammo and they gave me such a hard time. First they tried telling me that I needed to show a police id, I told them that was not true and to get the manager.

Then they were all bugging their eyes out and acting like they were scared. So I left and went to a gun store instead.

oggy420 wrote:

gun laws are insane here. But the culture of fear propaganda is worse. I recently went to a sporting good store to buy ammo and they gave me such a hard time. First they tried telling me that I needed to show a police id, I told them that was not true and to get the manager.

Then they were all bugging their eyes out and acting like they were scared. So I left and went to a gun store instead.

I don't own a gun so I don't know how much of a hassle it is. I have been with a buddy though when he bought a couple guns. Once at a gun show, which we have here every so often and I usually go check it out and get me a cheap pocket knife. He bought a little Taurus 45 and some ammo. All they did was make a phone call, I think checking to see if he had warrants or criminal history, something along those lines. Got the gun and some ammo and it didn't take long. The other time we went to this pawn shop in town known for having a large supply of guns. They have recently been shut down but I don't know if that was lack of business or what. I think he bought a little .357 that time. All they did was make a phone call as well and we were in and out in a couple minutes.
Weed laws here are pretty scary though. I have a buddy that was looking at similar time for possession with intent as a person that was facing assault with a deadly weapon for shooting someone 5 times.

personally I think background checks are pretty effective.

But I will say, something needs to be done about preventing people who are prescribed SSRI's or anti-depressants from buying guns.

If you are taking a drug that has side effects of suicidal behavior and or violent outbursts and fucks with the chemistry in your brain, you should not own a gun.

The media will try to tell you AR-15's are the problem. Not true. Ar-15's are not fully automatic, an often propagated myth.

If you look at mass shootings, the most common link between them is the use of SSRI's or Anti-Depressants.

"If you look at mass shootings, the most common link between them is the use of SSRI's or Anti-Depressants"

and another common link is they almost always happen in gun free zones or as I like to call them "victim Disarmament Zones" where the right to defend yourself is taken away.

oggy420 wrote:

personally I think background checks are pretty effective.

But I will say, something needs to be done about preventing people who are prescribed SSRI's or anti-depressants from buying guns.

If you are taking a drug that has side effects of suicidal behavior and or violent outbursts and fucks with the chemistry in your brain, you should not own a gun.  

The media will try to tell you AR-15's are the problem. Not true. Ar-15's are not fully automatic, an often propagated myth.

If you look at mass shootings, the most common link between them is the use of SSRI's or Anti-Depressants.

I couldn't agree more. But that gets tricky. Things like that should be kept very private. People on that kind of medication shouldn't have to worry about that information getting out. But if the information isn't out there then how can we prevent them from buying guns? It's no ones business what kind of medication you are taking or if you are in some kind of counseling.
What is the clip size for AR-15? Do you think number of bullets that can fit into a gun should be limited? Even with a smaller gun like a 9mm you could do a ton of damage with an extended clip.