Gun Laws

No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave.

-- "Political Disquisitions", a British republican tract of 1774-1775

Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?

-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788

That the said Constitution shall never be construed toauthorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms...

-- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789

for those who say only police and government agents need guns so they can protect us...


.. a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen...

-- Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App.181

proof

"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of arms."

--Aristotle

So I ask Oggy to show me a gun bill that will take away people guns that Obama signed off on, and he gives me quotes from Hitler and Jefferson.

captain organic wrote:

So I ask Oggy to show me a gun bill that will take away people guns that Obama signed off on, and he gives me quotes from Hitler and Jefferson.  

quotes from the 1770's and 1780's are every bit as relevant today as they were back then  

captain organic wrote:

So I ask Oggy to show me a gun bill that will take away people guns that Obama signed off on, and he gives me quotes from Hitler and Jefferson.  

what about the 25 or so executive orders that were pro gun control that he passed? Does that not count. Does it not count that he has shown full support to Diane Feinstein's proposed gun bans which fortunately were voted down in the House?

cheekynffc wrote:

captain organic wrote:

So I ask Oggy to show me a gun bill that will take away people guns that Obama signed off on, and he gives me quotes from Hitler and Jefferson.  

quotes from the 1770's and 1780's are every bit as relevant today as they were back then  

What can I say?

Some people understand the importance of history, as time and time again it has repeated itself.

Others don't learn from history, make the same mistakes, and pay the price.


Yea but the Constitution and Bill of Rights shouldn't even matter anymore. Because it's old...

we should just scrap it and let it be known the America is now a fascist authoritarian state where the so called elected leaders are bought and paid for by the same mega-banks, corporations, and their lobbyists that bought off the executive branch years and years ago.

Don't stand up for your rights. Just let them incrementally disappear. Good call guys!

oggy420 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

So I ask Oggy to show me a gun bill that will take away people guns that Obama signed off on, and he gives me quotes from Hitler and Jefferson.  

what about the 25 or so executive orders that were pro gun control that he passed? Does that not count. Does it not count that he has shown full support to Diane Feinstein's proposed gun bans which fortunately were voted down in the House?

There was an executive order that was passed that allowed the gov't to take away citizens guns?

Gun control advocate threatens to ‘shoot and kill’ recall activists

bizpacreview.com
November 16, 2013

An apparent gun control supporter threatened to “go home and get a gun and come back and kill” a group of Second Amendment activists seeking signatures on a recall petition against Colorado Sen. Evie Hudak.

After September’s recall of Colorado Sen. Angela Giron and Senate President John Morse over their anti-gun stance, a group called Recall Hudak Too is trying to extend its success by tossing Hudak out of office, according to Capitol City Project.

While collecting signatures in front of the public library in Arvada, Colo., a man riding by on a bicycle can be heard to say, “I’m going to go home and get a gun and come back and kill you m****r f****rs. Would you like that?”



Hudak is best known for her insensitive questioning of rape victim Amanda Collins during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings before the state passed highly restrictive gun control measures.

After describing Collins’ testimony “unsettling,” she went on to attack it.


You said that you were a martial arts student, I mean person, experienced in Tae Kwon Do, and yet because this individual was so large, was able to overcome you even with your skills, and chances are that if you had had a gun, then he would have been able to get that from you and possibly use it against you,” and then added that statistics weren’t on her side.

Respectfully senator, you weren’t there,” Collins replied. “Had I been carrying concealed, he wouldn’t have known I had my weapon; and I was there. I know without a doubt in my mind at some point I would’ve been able to stop my attack by using my firearm.

Watch the close of Collins’ testimony and Hudak’s response below. If you haven’t already, be sure to check out Texas mom speaks out about viral letter to Obama: ‘I’m one of millions’
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/11/07/texas-mom-speaks-out-about-viral-letter-to-obama-im-one-of-millions-86683

saw this and thought of oggy

cheekynffc wrote:

saw this and thought of oggy

I don't agree with him.

which bits don't you agree with, out of interest?

cheekynffc wrote:

which bits don't you agree with, out of interest?

That he says it's bullshit people want guns for protection and that they should get banned. With everything that's happening in the States I wouldn't want to give up my guns either.

what's going on in america at the moment that makes it particularly important to have guns?

Have you not been watching the news?

i can only think you're on about the stuff with the police in missouri and new york but i couldn't fathom how being armed would've been helpful to either victim.

the two nyc police who were killed were armed, but if you're ambushed at random you probably don't have time to even think about drawing your weapon.

cheekynffc wrote:

i can only think you're on about the stuff with the police in missouri and new york but i couldn't fathom how being armed would've been helpful to either victim.

the two nyc police who were killed were armed, but if you're ambushed at random you probably don't have time to even think about drawing your weapon.

It's only going to get worse. You need to have protection at home.

i actually went for a days intensive firearms training whilst i was in thailand last week and can see how it can be intoxicating.

in theory, i can competently operate a .38 special revolver, 9mm semi automatic pistol and pump action shotgun hahaha.

cheekynffc wrote:

i actually went for a days intensive firearms training whilst i was in thailand last week and can see how it can be intoxicating.

in theory, i can competently operate a .38 special revolver, 9mm semi automatic pistol and pump action shotgun hahaha.

Haha

cheekynffc wrote:

what's going on in america at the moment that makes it particularly important to have guns?

The record low crime rate?

Cops shooting everyone

Do you think carrying a gun makes it less likely or more likely that you'll be shot at by police?

Depends on your skin colour.