Gun Laws

jewzilla wrote:

24 year old piece of shit.

This stuff is terrible for this country.

Poor kids man.

Also gun control is fucking stupid, let's take away the good guys way of protection so the bad guys can hit up the black market and still do what they do.

But do we not need to rethink the ease of acquiring automatic weaponry?

And gun control does not mean taking away guns from the good guys.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Damn shame. R.I.P. to the children and staff killed,

I can't even begin to comprehend what goes on in the heads of these fucks. I just know people are getting crazier everyday. How many massacres is that in the last 10 years in countries not Africa?

and here comes the gun debate again unfortunately. A bunch of wasted news time debating something that can't be changed anyway..and that more than likely the majority would oppose.

We've seen a ban of assault weapons before. Not sure a majority would oppose.

Now the idiot are trying exploit his situation to kill the 2nd amendment..

Guns don't kill people...people kill people. Remove guns and people that want to kill will sure as hell find a way to do it.

Ninja wrote:

Now the idiot are trying exploit his situation to kill the 2nd amendment..

Guns don't kill people...people kill people. Remove guns and people that want to kill will sure as hell find a way to do it.

other than a bomb or some sort of chemical attack there's no other way of killing so many in one sitting.

if these guys go into schools with a knife or blunt instrument they get one or two tops before being overpowered.

a bomb made with typical household items can kill way more people in much less time and you can learn how to make them by searching google. Yes, kids do think of using them...see Columbine. They made some duds and the good ones werent set off until late but a bomb can be made, kill a bunch of people, and there a chance the killer may not have to face consequences. Yeah, guns get the job done quicker than a knife or a bat but by a huge margin most gun crimes are done by illegal gun owners. All those banned drugs that are readily available fo everybody shows banning shit does not make it dissapear and there is more gun in the U.S. than people. Maybe this nerd couldnt get some without mom legally owning guns but for most people illefal guns will be as easy to bu y than a gram of pot..which is easy,

Also, you may not give a shit about our constitution..because you dont understand rights or you think government should run peoples lives..but americans, no matter what political colors they wear, for the most part do give a fuck. Thats why everybody including Obama tip toe around the issue because it's our rights. I don't own a gun..probably never will own a gun but respect the constitition. You change the second amendment, you might as well change that first amendment too..which would be fine for silly nanny but not fine with any american.

Even if guns were illegal it would be so easy to get a gun. In Australia we aren't allowed to have guns like in the states yet we have heaps of shootings. I could get a gun illegally tomorrow if I wanted one.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

a bomb made with typical household items can kill way more people in much less time and you can learn how to make them by searching google. Yes, kids do think of using them...see Columbine. They made some duds and the good ones werent set off until late but a bomb can be made, kill a bunch of people, and there a chance the killer may not have to face consequences. Yeah, guns get the job done quicker than a knife or a bat but by a huge margin most gun crimes are done by illegal gun owners. All those banned drugs that are readily available fo everybody shows banning shit does not make it dissapear and there is more gun in the U.S. than people. Maybe this nerd couldnt get some without mom legally owning guns but for most people illefal guns will be as easy to bu y than a gram of pot..which is easy,

Also, you may not give a shit about our constitution..because you dont understand rights or you think government should run peoples lives..but americans, no matter what political colors they wear, for the most part do give a fuck. Thats why everybody including Obama tip toe around the issue because it's our rights. I don't own a gun..probably never will own a gun but respect the constitition. You change the second amendment, you might as well change that first amendment too..which would be fine for silly nanny but not fine with any american.

the constitution is what it is, it's not going to change.

however, the vast majority of people who want to keep the right to own a gun only do so because they get a buzz from having a gun and don't want to give up that buzz. their motives do not come from a deeper political awareness than everyone else or an interest in the rights of their fellow man.

freakzilla wrote:

Even if guns were illegal it would be so easy to get a gun. In Australia we aren't allowed to have guns like in the states yet we have heaps of shootings. I could get a gun illegally tomorrow if I wanted one.

Same here. I knew more than a few people who could get me guns illegally from people who got them from people who had guns illegally when i was a freshman in high school. I didnt grow up in the hood either. Guns don't possess people. People possess guns and in the small minority of "legal" cases a gun and a fucked up mind. Less money and money better spent would be to securing places like schools and places of gathering than a war on an object, a war on guns..a war on the 2nd amendment.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Even if guns were illegal it would be so easy to get a gun. In Australia we aren't allowed to have guns like in the states yet we have heaps of shootings. I could get a gun illegally tomorrow if I wanted one.

Same here. I knew more than a few people who could get me guns illegally from people who got them from people who had guns illegally when i was a freshman in high school. I didnt grow up in the hood either. Guns don't possess people. People possess guns and in the small majority of "legal" cases a gun and a fucked up mind. Less money and money better spent would be to securing places like schools and movie theaters tham a war on an object, a war on guns..a war on the 2nd amendment.

I agree.

freakzilla wrote:

Even if guns were illegal it would be so easy to get a gun. In Australia we aren't allowed to have guns like in the states yet we have heaps of shootings. I could get a gun illegally tomorrow if I wanted one.

Rates of Gun violence is much higher in the US.

Not saying the legality of guns is the sole reason for it being higher. But your argument here does not hold water.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

a bomb made with typical household items can kill way more people in much less time and you can learn how to make them by searching google. Yes, kids do think of using them...see Columbine. They made some duds and the good ones werent set off until late but a bomb can be made, kill a bunch of people, and there a chance the killer may not have to face consequences. Yeah, guns get the job done quicker than a knife or a bat but by a huge margin most gun crimes are done by illegal gun owners. All those banned drugs that are readily available fo everybody shows banning shit does not make it dissapear and there is more gun in the U.S. than people. Maybe this nerd couldnt get some without mom legally owning guns but for most people illefal guns will be as easy to bu y than a gram of pot..which is easy,

Also, you may not give a shit about our constitution..because you dont understand rights or you think government should run peoples lives..but americans, no matter what political colors they wear, for the most part do give a fuck. Thats why everybody including Obama tip toe around the issue because it's our rights. I don't own a gun..probably never will own a gun but respect the constitition. You change the second amendment, you might as well change that first amendment too..which would be fine for silly nanny but not fine with any american.

Couple of points.

1)The 2nd amendment can be repealed. So let's not get all high and mighty on people not understanding their rights.

2)The right to bear arms is not a black and white issue. Somewhere there is a line. I don't think any sane person thinks a US citizen should be able to own a nucleur weapon. So if we agree the 2nd amendment is not inclusive of all "arms" then we need to determine which arms should be allowed and which should not.

3)In terms of the intent of the 2nd amendment. "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,"? Gun owners are not keeping this a free country. Personnel protection? Sure. But this is not the 1700's and a militia is not in anyway necessary to protecting the security of this country in this day and age.

freakzilla wrote:

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Even if guns were illegal it would be so easy to get a gun. In Australia we aren't allowed to have guns like in the states yet we have heaps of shootings. I could get a gun illegally tomorrow if I wanted one.

Rates of Gun violence is much higher in the US.

Not saying the legality of guns is the sole reason for it being higher. But your argument here does not hold water.

That's because you have more fucked up people there.

OK but your point still does not hold water.

Sad sad situation

This isn't an anonamolly this is becoming a pattern.
No one is talking about ending the 2nd amendment but if psychological evaluations an drug testing are required for jobs, why do 40% of gun sales require none of these requirements.

40% of America's schools have what is called a violence problem.
Of this 40% , 10% report at least one murder.
Think about those statistics of you have a kid, I went to middle school and high school with metal detectors and cops on campus, we still had 3 gun lockdowns my junior year.

It's time to make it harder for these nut jobs from getting a gun yet alone a semi or fully automatic one.

The 2nd amendment is not under attack. American civilians are under attack by but jobs with legally obtained weapons to be carried in national parks and one that allowed guns to be carried on train system ??

Think Obama wants your guns? Then why are his two laws on gun rights, one that allowed American citizens
If 20 children get slaughtered and your initial reaction is to scream about the 2nd amendment you need to reasses the situation.
also don't forget the 2nd amendment states all white men who own property have the right to a weapon.

10% of schools have a murder. I can guarantee that stat is not even close to true.

Farmer1906 wrote:

10% of schools have a murder. I can guarantee that stat is not even close to true.

He did say of that 40%, 10%. Meaning 4% overall.

Birdofthad wrote:

Sad sad situation

This isn't an anonamolly this is becoming a pattern.
No one is talking about ending the 2nd amendment but if psychological evaluations an drug testing are required for jobs, why do 40% of gun sales require none of these requirements.

Think Obama wants your guns? Then why are his two laws on gun rights, one that allowed American citizens
If 20 children get slaughtered and your initial reaction is to scream about the 2nd amendment you need to reasses the situation.
also don't forget the 2nd amendment states all white men who own property have the right to a weapon.

bird, how hard is it to get a gun illegally now? How hard would it be if it was illegal to have said gun.

dude in china stabbed over 20 people with a knife man, crazy is going to do crazy. if you gave a motivated competent individual a few sharp sticks and some pepper spray and a few chains he could take out many.

If guns were banned it would be much easier for the American government to put it's people under Marshall law.

I really wish we could not have this thread be about the 2nd amendment and gun laws. Would be alot better if you could split that into another thread.

OU wrote:

I really wish we could not have this thread be about the 2nd amendment and gun laws. Would be alot better if you could split that into another thread.

agreed separate away !
I just couldnt help but to underline and quote teh bird man since he is one big contradiction

Cu Bu wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Sad sad situation

This isn't an anonamolly this is becoming a pattern.
No one is talking about ending the 2nd amendment but if psychological evaluations an drug testing are required for jobs, why do 40% of gun sales require none of these requirements.

Think Obama wants your guns? Then why are his two laws on gun rights, one that allowed American citizens
If 20 children get slaughtered and your initial reaction is to scream about the 2nd amendment you need to reasses the situation.
also don't forget the 2nd amendment states all white men who own property have the right to a weapon.

bird, how hard is it to get a gun illegally now? How hard would it be if it was illegal to have said gun.

dude in china stabbed over 20 people with a knife man, crazy is going to do crazy. if you gave a motivated competent individual a few sharp sticks and some pepper spray and a few chains he could take out many.

Yet no one died in that china attack. This example is a better argument for those trying to ban guns then those trying to protect gun rights.

freakzilla wrote:

If guns were banned it would be much easier for the American government to put it's people under Marshall law.

Maybe I'm naive, but I just don't see the threat of Martial law as a legit concern.

And again, only certain weaponry is at threat here, automatic and semi automatic assault weapons.

But I agree on a split of threads.

cheekynffc wrote:

Ninja wrote:

Now the idiot are trying exploit his situation to kill the 2nd amendment..

Guns don't kill people...people kill people. Remove guns and people that want to kill will sure as hell find a way to do it.

other than a bomb or some sort of chemical attack there's no other way of killing so many in one sitting.

if these guys go into schools with a knife or blunt instrument they get one or two tops before being overpowered.

so much fail in one post congrats cheeky

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0

Cu Bu wrote:

cheekynffc wrote:

Ninja wrote:

Now the idiot are trying exploit his situation to kill the 2nd amendment..

Guns don't kill people...people kill people. Remove guns and people that want to kill will sure as hell find a way to do it.

other than a bomb or some sort of chemical attack there's no other way of killing so many in one sitting.

if these guys go into schools with a knife or blunt instrument they get one or two tops before being overpowered.

so much fail in one post congrats cheeky

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0

No deaths in that attack Cu Bu.

are lives the only marker?

how many could be killed by someone who knew how?

Just saw on the news that Obama would support a law banning civilians from owning guns. Marshall law will be next.