sorry Oggy you have your history wrong not a huge shock
So im lying about history Bird?
A Survivor Of Hitler Sets The Story Straight On The News Media And American Politicians
A survivor of Hitler sets the story straight on how dictators take control, They get elected and then the first major step is "Gun Control" and gun registration. Keep the rights you still have or lose them. Once you lose the ability to defend your self you will lose all your rights.
a woman who was defending herself and her children shot a home invader 5 times with a pistol. The man got up and ran away.
This is the main reason i do not believe in banning ar-15's or larger clips. What if there are multiple home invaders? Is that person really supposed to defend themselves against multiple attackers with a pistol that holds barely enough rounds to stop one attacker?
Semi-auto's like ar-15's are only used in a fraction of actual gun crimes. Yes it is true that the last couple mass shootings were with these weapons. However suggesting that banning these weapons will prevent another mass shooting is as unlikely to work as the chicago hand gun ban was at preventing shootings with hand-guns.
For all those saying you simply want an "assault weapons ban" and that you will be satisfied with that .... what happens after the next mass shooting? What if it is with a hand-gun or shotgun? Will you be calling for a ban on those weapons too? What about when even that doesn't stop the next shooting? Will you be calling for more and more gun control until the American people are left defenseless? What is the true agenda being pushed here? What is the endgame here?
I think those are all questions you should ask yourself before you start arguing for the 2nd amendment to be tinkered with.
Chicagos gun ban is working great huh. There is a shit ton if murder there and it's only been going up.
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Subject: Re: Gun Laws Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:46 pm
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Subject: Re: Gun Laws Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:35 am
Congrats to those of you who want to start disarming law abiding citizens. The process has begun. Treating gun owners like criminals...
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Subject: Re: Gun Laws Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:40 am
wtf anything more than a 7 round clip is now illegal? Thats fucking ridiculous
Also, no Grandfathering. This means that at some point in the future those guns that won't be allowed to be passed down through family will have to be confiscated. Bull shit.
wtf anything more than a 7 round clip is now illegal? Thats fucking ridiculous
Also, no Grandfathering. This means that at some point in the future those guns that won't be allowed to be passed down through family will have to be confiscated. Bull shit.
In NYC?
Looks like revolvers and shot guns for all.
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Subject: Re: Gun Laws Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:05 pm
Noo dude. Nyc all ready has an all out gun ban. This is the whole state. The one guy in the video who is speaking against the bill, greg ball, represents where i live.
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Subject: Re: Gun Laws Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:14 pm
Farmer you should consider yourself lucky you live in Texas. That's the last place they'll take peoples guns.
Vegas: 60,000 Expected To Attend Gun Show... Idaho: 'People can hardly walk they've got so much stuff'... S Dakota: 'Unprecedented demand'... Kentucky: 'Store shelves bare'... Virginia: Lines Stretched for Hundreds of Yards... Citizens File Articles of Impeachment Against Obama...
Obama to surround himself with children while announcing executive order gun grab to guilt trip people into accepting loss of rights.
I still can't find the xdm 9 and I've been looking for weeks.
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Subject: Re: Gun Laws Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:51 pm
im just trying to figure out how my State pretty much turned every law-abiding citizen who happens to own a gun into a criminal over-night. My .22 is now illegal cause it has a 10 round clip? Wtf are these people thinking?
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Subject: Re: Gun Laws Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:13 pm
"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution." Thomas Jefferson Third President of the United States
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." George Washington First President of the United States
"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" Patrick Henry American Patriot
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … " Thomas Jefferson
"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …" Samuel Adams
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." Thomas Jefferson
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason
“I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence. Thus when my eldest son asked me what he should have done, had he been present when I was almost fatally assaulted in 1908, whether he should have run away and seen me killed or whether he should have used his physical force which he could and wanted to use, and defended me, I told him that it was his duty to defend me even by using violence.” – Mahatma Ghandi
“Gun control has not worked in D.C. The only people who have guns are criminals. We have the strictest gun laws in the nation and one of the highest murder rates. It’s quicker to pull your Smith and Wesson than to dial 911 if you’re being robbed.” – Lieutenant Lowell Duckett, President of the Black Police Caucus, Special Assistant to the Washington, D.C. Police Chief
“That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer’s cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” – George Orwell
“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” – Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." – Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, “On Crimes and Punishment”
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Subject: Re: Gun Laws Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:18 pm
"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sara Brady Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.
"If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things."
"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolph Hitler Chancellor, Germany, 1933
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Subject: Re: Gun Laws Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:19 pm
hey oggy how do you feel about guns?
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Subject: Re: Gun Laws Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:28 pm
GDPofDRC wrote:
hey oggy how do you feel about guns?
i am a gun owner, not a collector. Not obsessed with them. Have it for home defense. I do believe in following the Constitution so that is where we propbably part ways ideologically. I don't believe in stripping people of their 2nd Amedment rights. I don't believe in stripping people of any of their constitutional rights actually, but most importantly the 2nd amendment because that is the last line of defense against criminals and tyranny. It also becomes much easier to strip away the rest of peoples rights when they can no longer defend themselves.
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Subject: Re: Gun Laws Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:42 pm
List of executive actions Obama plans to take as part of anti-gun violence plan
The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
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