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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyMon Dec 31, 2012 3:05 pm

So if no one has ever admitted it how on earth do you know a majority of people feel that way. It sounds like you have a view on guns and everyone that doesn't share it is some weird nut job because how else could rational people disagree with your perfect point if view.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyMon Dec 31, 2012 3:28 pm

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So if no one has ever admitted it how on earth do you know a majority of people feel that way. It sounds like you have a view on guns and everyone that doesn't share it is some weird nut job because how else could rational people disagree with your perfect point if view.

tell you what then.

give me an intelligent view on why gun ownership is a good thing for mankind and i will agree to disagree and leave this topic alone.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyMon Dec 31, 2012 6:31 pm

I have lived 25 years without owning a gun. I recently received one for Christmas. I have a wife, a daughter, a house, and things if value in my home. Others aren't as successful as me (for unlimited reasons, fair and unfair). A small number of those people want what I have or want to ruin what I have. A gun is one of the best ways to stop these people from doing that because they have guns too, legally or not.

Now if the world didn't have guns would it be a better place? Maybe. People still had wars and weapons. No way to make them go away now.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyMon Dec 31, 2012 8:22 pm

no one is talking about taking anything get that through your head

they are talking about comprehensive gun control

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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyTue Jan 01, 2013 2:49 am

Bird, you're late to the convo and not making sense.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyTue Jan 01, 2013 5:17 am

Farmer1906 wrote:
I have lived 25 years without owning a gun. I recently received one for Christmas. I have a wife, a daughter, a house, and things if value in my home. Others aren't as successful as me (for unlimited reasons, fair and unfair). A small number of those people want what I have or want to ruin what I have. A gun is one of the best ways to stop these people from doing that because they have guns too, legally or not.

Now if the world didn't have guns would it be a better place? Maybe. People still had wars and weapons. No way to make them go away now.

i get it that people want to protect their family and their home.

would you say that having a gun in the house is a better deterrent than, for example, good exterior security? thieves are generally opportunists who look for soft targets, they are looking for the guys that go out and leave a window open rather than storming a house with guns blazing.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyTue Jan 01, 2013 6:26 am

Farmer1906 wrote:
I have lived 25 years without owning a gun. I recently received one for Christmas. I have a wife, a daughter, a house, and things if value in my home. Others aren't as successful as me (for unlimited reasons, fair and unfair). A small number of those people want what I have or want to ruin what I have. A gun is one of the best ways to stop these people from doing that because they have guns too, legally or not.

Now if the world didn't have guns would it be a better place? Maybe. People still had wars and weapons. No way to make them go away now.




figured this was a their taking our guns claim

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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyTue Jan 01, 2013 6:29 am

AR 15, SK's.
no matter what, "protecting your home nobly" or doing your local drive by

THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR KILLING PEOPLE, THATS IT

not a stupid fucking stretch to suggest we look into the people purchasing these weapons. THe children in CT were literally sawed in half by bullets, this fucker and many like him kill a large amount of people in a short amount of time because of and only because of the 20+ clip.

all this bullshit about well they will build a bomb, uhhh they have tried that, how did those 20 pound propane bombs work at Columbine? THey didnt , so they REVERTED TO SHOOTING PEOPLE

Its a lot easier to geta automatic weapon and start shooting someone then to properly wire a bomb.

How many OKC's have we had vs how many Columbines after 1994/1999

its not rocket science, find out if people buying guns, should actually have them.

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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyTue Jan 01, 2013 6:22 pm

if you want to abolish the constitution in favor of world government run by bankers then just say that bird. Don't try saying the constitution is racist or that the 2nd amendment had anything to do with slaves. That is just an obnoxious twist of historical facts.The constitution and philosophy of individual liberty in this country is no doubt the greatest experiment in freedom and human rights in all of history. So you can shit on the constitution and put yourself up on a pedestal all day but it doesn't make you right.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyTue Jan 01, 2013 6:35 pm

where in the constitution does it say your entitled to n assault rifle with a 30 clip?

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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 10:17 pm

bottom line is that pro gun people don't give a shit about the second amendment or the rights of their fellow citizens. they get a buzz from owning and handling guns and don't want to give up that buzz. you included.

Cheeky im not really sure why anyone gives you the time of day, but i'll indulge.

the bottom line is that unlike you, i have an understanding and appreciation of the history and traditions of this country. i'll give you a brief history lesson since it seems you slept through that part of class. We were once controlled by the British Empire. We wanted to be free. So we fought a revolution, kicked them out, and wrote the declaration of independence, the Constitution, and the bill of rights.

See cheeky, if it wasn't for the constitution you hate so much, you wouldn't even have the right to speak your utter nonsense. Even incredibly dumb speech is protected by the 1st amendment. So i guess you lucked out there.

The 2nd amendment is my right as an American citizen. I have the right to keep and bear arms and protect myself and my family. Now you can spout off whatever nonsense you want, but facts and statistics prove that in this country gun control has been a failure. In gun free zones violence has gone up. In areas well known to have a high percentage of gun owners violence and crime goes down. I've already posted numerous links showing that.

As for getting a "buzz" from owning a gun.... like wtf are you even talking about? The only person here trying to give themselves a "buzz" is you. Trying to act like you are morally superior than others because they legally own guns? Get off your fucking high horse you pos because what you are literally saying is
good law abiding people who own guns are bad people and need to be forcefully stripped of their rights so they can no longer protect themselves or their family.

Authoritarian people who think their shit doesn't stink while trying to forcefully make others suffer so they can claim they are the savior and everyone should bow down to them. You make me sick.



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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyThu Jan 03, 2013 8:12 am

oggy, what do you think the likelihood is that i talk utter nonsense all the time and you talk complete sense all the time? i'll tell you what the likelihood is, nil.

the word 'amendment' indicates that the constitution is subject to change. do you think they'd have put the right to bear arms into the constitution in the first place if they'd anticipated this sort of shit would become so commonplace?

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/school-shootings.pdf

the US has the 4th highest gun murder rate in the world per head behind only south africa, colombia and thailand, and all those countries could be considered 3rd world countries. if you don't see what's wrong with that there's something seriously wrong with you and you're among the the last cunts on the planet that should be entrusted with a gun.

i don't know who's claimed to be a high and mighty saviour, but carry on vomiting anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyThu Jan 03, 2013 8:40 am

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oggy, what do you think the likelihood is that i talk utter nonsense all the time and you talk complete sense all the time? i'll tell you what the likelihood is, nil.

the word 'amendment' indicates that the constitution is subject to change. do you think they'd have put the right to bear arms into the constitution in the first place if they'd anticipated this sort of shit would become so commonplace?

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/school-shootings.pdf

the US has the 4th highest gun murder rate in the world per head behind only south africa, colombia and thailand, and all those countries could be considered 3rd world countries. if you don't see what's wrong with that there's something seriously wrong with you and you're among the the last cunts on the planet that should be entrusted with a gun.

i don't know who's claimed to be a high and mighty saviour, but carry on vomiting anyway.

There is something very wrong with that but taking guns away from responsible gun owners isn't going to help. Stopping welfare and forcing uneducated lazy people to work or starve would do more good.

Take a look at St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, and Newark. I'm will to wager these cities have some of the highest murder rates and unemployment/gov benefits.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyThu Jan 03, 2013 9:09 am

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cheekynffc wrote:
oggy, what do you think the likelihood is that i talk utter nonsense all the time and you talk complete sense all the time? i'll tell you what the likelihood is, nil.

the word 'amendment' indicates that the constitution is subject to change. do you think they'd have put the right to bear arms into the constitution in the first place if they'd anticipated this sort of shit would become so commonplace?

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/school-shootings.pdf

the US has the 4th highest gun murder rate in the world per head behind only south africa, colombia and thailand, and all those countries could be considered 3rd world countries. if you don't see what's wrong with that there's something seriously wrong with you and you're among the the last cunts on the planet that should be entrusted with a gun.

i don't know who's claimed to be a high and mighty saviour, but carry on vomiting anyway.

There is something very wrong with that but taking guns away from responsible gun owners isn't going to help. Stopping welfare and forcing uneducated lazy people to work or starve would do more good.

Take a look at St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, and Newark. I'm will to wager these cities have some of the highest murder rates and unemployment/gov benefits.

unemployment and poverty aren't just american problems, everywhere has those problems.

i sort of agree though, everything possible should be done to try and get people on welfare back into work and no doubt that would have a positive affect on crime rates.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyThu Jan 03, 2013 9:20 am

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Farmer1906 wrote:
cheekynffc wrote:
oggy, what do you think the likelihood is that i talk utter nonsense all the time and you talk complete sense all the time? i'll tell you what the likelihood is, nil.

the word 'amendment' indicates that the constitution is subject to change. do you think they'd have put the right to bear arms into the constitution in the first place if they'd anticipated this sort of shit would become so commonplace?

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/school-shootings.pdf

the US has the 4th highest gun murder rate in the world per head behind only south africa, colombia and thailand, and all those countries could be considered 3rd world countries. if you don't see what's wrong with that there's something seriously wrong with you and you're among the the last cunts on the planet that should be entrusted with a gun.

i don't know who's claimed to be a high and mighty saviour, but carry on vomiting anyway.

There is something very wrong with that but taking guns away from responsible gun owners isn't going to help. Stopping welfare and forcing uneducated lazy people to work or starve would do more good.

Take a look at St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, and Newark. I'm will to wager these cities have some of the highest murder rates and unemployment/gov benefits.

unemployment and poverty aren't just american problems, everywhere has those problems.

i sort of agree though, everything possible should be done to try and get people on welfare back into work and no doubt that would have a positive affect on crime rates.

But how many countries have poverty like the US does? meaning the government gives them money for nothing while they get the bare minimum then buy shoes, drugs, and alcohol then demand more.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyThu Jan 03, 2013 9:39 am

i don't know how many countries have a welfare system like the states, though our welfare system has a lot of similarities in the UK. there are hundreds of countries that have no welfare system at all though where poverty is on a different level entirely.

our government has been making the system stricter in recent years, not everyone is on welfare by choice though. i'm going to be made redundant myself at some stage in the next 6 months so i may end up on welfare myself if i can't find a suitable job in the meantime. if that happens it certainly won't be by choice.
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If you know you have 6 months why on earth can you get on the ball looking for a new job and training (certifications) to help get a new job. Maybe I'm just wired differently but I will never be unemployed long or take welfare period.

What's with this "suitable" job. Get your ass to Walmart or McDonalds if the right job doesn't come around. I don't want to pay to take care if you because you think you're too good for a job like that.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyThu Jan 03, 2013 12:58 pm

i've been looking for a new job for the last 2 years, maybe longer. the market is a cunt right now. i've got a bit of cash saved so self employment is beginning to look like my best bet.

also, i live in a different country so there's no circumstance where you pay shit.
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Oh thought you were in the states with all this talk if American politics. My mistake.

Still that us hard to believe. 2 years is a long add time. I was able to get multiple interviews and accepted a job offer quickly when I got serious. I looked casually for a while before that though. What field are you in?
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You are also so extreme. That's just as scary to me as being extreme in the opposite direction. Do you propose we do nothing? Not even attempt to change anything? Do you think relaxing gun laws would make things better?

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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyThu Jan 03, 2013 1:27 pm

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Oh thought you were in the states with all this talk if American politics. My mistake.

Still that us hard to believe. 2 years is a long add time. I was able to get multiple interviews and accepted a job offer quickly when I got serious. I looked casually for a while before that though. What field are you in?

i currently work in healthcare, but i really don't want to do that anymore. i have a lot of prior experience in sales so i could probably get a job easily enough, but good sales jobs are harder to come by. i also used to work for the energy industry watchdog resolving disputes between customers and gas & electric suppliers.

i have very seriously considered opening my own mobile catering business at various junctures so maybe it's time? i almost did it in 2005 but i baulked at the amount of money i'd have needed to borrow. i have a better credit rating and cash flow now than then though.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Gun Laws - Page 6 EmptyFri Jan 04, 2013 8:35 am

NRA be trollin'. I don't think I've ever heard of a more ridiculous idea than to get rid of schools and I've heard of ideas to get rid of anyone who isn't white with blond hair and blue eyes as well as heard of ideas to sell people in the south.

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