The waaaaayy too early to know, who wins next election?

I won't make it too specific. Simple Red, Blue or Black(end of the World).

Went Democrat. Of coarse Im of the opinion that the current upswing will continue.

But it will 100% be dictated by where the economy is in 4 years. Obama rightly or wrongly was able to lay the blame on Bush, next blue candidate will not have that luxury.

So a strong economy and Dem's get the next one as well, a middling, furthered slowed, or heaven help us recession and red's all the way.

Pretty elementary stuff of coarse.

captain organic wrote:

Went Democrat. Of coarse Im of the opinion that the current upswing will continue.

But it will 100% be dictated by where the economy is in 4 years. Obama rightly or wrongly was able to lay the blame on Bush, next blue candidate will not have that luxury.

So a strong economy and Dem's get the next one as well, a middling, furthered slowed, or heaven help us recession and red's all the way.

Pretty elementary stuff of coarse.

What are the odds the party that is not favored to win goes with a woman candidate in an attempt to ride that wave next?

Well I can def see Hillary giving it a go, but because she's part of the Obama cabinet, that only works if economy is rolling. Good economy and I think the presidency is hers for the taking

Rubio, because of his standing within the party, his perceived success at the convention(I personally did not like the speech but most did) and because of the need to get Latino votes just looks like such a heavy favorite to get the Republican nod. Factor in the traditional white male candidates that both parties throw up there and I see very little room for a woman especially since none are in the binder currently on the table. still far away, things can happen but it's very small chance a woman gets the republican nod.

So good economy Hillary, not so good economy Rubio.

Biden/Clinton 2016
And I have a feeling it's going To be Biden, republicans had to face the rude awakening that Biden is a great politician, he has clearly beate Sarah Palin an Paul Ryan in debates and Barrack mentioned him an hand him on stage last night.

Bill Clinton was not mentioned once.

That tells me all I need to know, unless some huge falling out happens, I think it's crystal clear that Obama will be throwing his incredible amount of support behind Joe Biden Coe 2016.

Biden is a politician who's only short coming is that he speaks his mind to often, republicans misinterpret this as being stupid, but when it came time to talk numbers, who has the facts on their side ?

You heard it hear first, Biden 2016, he can speak to the expansion electorate lok no other white politician can and IMO that's the key.

If you look at the election last night, the key take away is that Obama expanded on his 2008 coalition.
If the African American vote had been the same as or was on 2008, Romney would have won Ohio last night.
Of the Latino core had remained the same on Pennsylvania Mott Romney would have won that state as well.

The electorate is expanding, 2008 was not a fluke no matter how much republicans try to claim it was. More African Americans and Latinos voted on 2012 than the did in 2008, the same things appended with the youth vote.

For all of the talk at the republican convention about college rooms with faded Obama posters, it's clear the miscalculated this presidents popularity.
Te republican party IMO posse off a lot of possible disenfranchise voters when they attempted to suppress votes. This back fired an Mott Romneys self deportation stance has helped the democratic party solidified the Latino vote.

George Bush won 40% of the Latino vote because he acted like he cared. The GOP is at a crossroads and must decide if they want to become the party o the old white male, or of they want to expand and remain a political threat. Because with the expanding electorate, put simply, they are fucked; the jig is up, voter suppression and over 1 billion in Larl Roce Super PAC money couldn't defeat a president with a shaky economy.
65% of the white vote doesn't win an election anymore

I just see it being very tough for the Republicans to woo the Latinos without drastically changing their immigration policy. Even if they throw Rubio up there, there needs to be a change in how they plan to deal with Latino's if they want to get there vote.

I actually think many republicans would rather the Latino population did not exist in this country. Tough to turn that into garnering votes from that same group in 4 years time. And really I think the republicans are too set in their ways to change.

captain organic wrote:

I just see it being very tough for the Republicans to woo the Latinos without drastically changing their immigration policy. Even if they throw Rubio up there, there needs to be a change in how they plan to deal with Latino's if they want to get there vote.

I actually think many republicans would rather the Latino population did not exist in this country. Tough to turn that into garnering votes from that same group in 4 years time. And really I think the republicans are too set in their ways to change.

Wow wow wow, little extreme there buddy.

Did you hear Rush Limbaugh today? It was amazing

I'm sure it was a laugh.

sometimes i think Democrats make up a great portion of Rush's audience. So many seem to know what happened and say they had been listening...and it's not only on days after an election. No wonder conservative is such a hit on the radio and Fox News kills the ratings. They get the support from the base and the dems who listen and burn themselves when they hear opposing viewpoints.

I heard about 10 minutes and i agreed with what he was saying. People don't want to cut all the free shit they get and will soon be getting under "Santa Clause's" administration. The traditional america of hard work to get ahead is being replaced by some people still need to work hard but they need to take care of the people who don't and are given no incentive to.

Kings I would rather listen to rush and mock his bullshit then listen to him and believe his bullshit

Also, a republican will get it in 2016. Especially if Joke Biden is the candidate for the dems.

I do agree the Repubs need to make some slight revamps...and that is pretty much easing up on the bible. As an athiest i have no problem with them doing that but that will involve a commitment from the majority of the party. Obviously one republican entering the primaries saying all this is alright will just lose if the base does not realize they need to yeild on it. These social issues are only going to drift further away from the republicans . They need to give up the fight on gay marriage and limit their opposition to abortion on only the government funding aspect. They can stick with their fight on birth control being funded publically because it's just another burden created by individual choices. It's not against womens rights to her body if other people arent held responsible for it.

As for latino's i think they just need to pay more attention to them. Romney largely ignored them after taking a hard stance against them during the primaries. A Rick Perry stance on immigration would have gone a long way for the republicans but Romney killed that path in the primaries by destroying Perry on it. Obama successfully pandered to them right near election time after ignoring them for the better part of 4 years. Reds need to stop writing them off. Latino votes can be had.

Repubs select Rubio and Cruz. Hispanic vote shifts because people are racist and vote on race as much as issues.

Hilary Clinton 2016.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Also, a republican will get it in 2016. Especially if Joke Biden is the candidate for the dems.

I do agree the Repubs need to make some slight revamps...and that is pretty much easing up on the bible. As an athiest i have no problem with them doing that but that will involve a commitment from the majority of the party. Obviously one republican entering the primaries saying all this is alright will just lose if the base does not realize they need to yeild on it. These social issues are only going to drift further away from the republicans . They need to give up the fight on gay marriage and limit their opposition to abortion on only the government funding aspect. They can stick with their fight on birth control being funded publically because it's just another burden created by individual choices. It's not against womens rights to her body if other people arent held responsible for it.

As for latino's i think they just need to pay more attention to them. Romney largely ignored them after taking a hard stance against them during the primaries. A Rick Perry stance on immigration would have gone a long way for the republicans but Romney killed that path in the primaries by destroying Perry on it. Obama successfully pandered to them right near election time after ignoring them for the better part of 4 years. Reds need to stop writing them off. Latino votes can be had.

Sorry but completely disagree the numbers show us the democrats have the electorate and coming expanding electorate a republican ain't emerging by 2016 That will challenge your supposed joke Biden

Biden mopped the floor with Paul Ryan's bullshit and made Sarah palin appear to be the dumb bimbo that she is , give the man his fucking due his wife and child for and he continued to pursue health care for all all americans , he's gonna be president and I can't wait to watch republicans shit themselves when It happens

Farmer1906 wrote:

Repubs select Rubio and Cruz. Hispanic vote shifts because people are racist and vote on race as much as issues.

Bio is a Cuban immigrant , that's hit ain't the same as being a Mexican and shows how out of toug repuba are if they think that's the solution

Cruz is a fucking not job tea party member who benefitted from Texas still having a million rural fucks voting on 1950s principles

Keep dreaming , republicans themselves have admitted Rubio carries no away with Latino vote he is viewed as completely partisan And in case you missed out last night, he picked the wron party to play partisan bs with minorities

Face it the republican party today is a party that thinks Mexicans =illegal aliens and women rights= abortion

Unless they drastically change the party within 4 years, more moderate republicans like the former Florida governor will be switching parties and the republican party will become a minority party. The white male partyy

Birdofthad wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

Repubs select Rubio and Cruz. Hispanic vote shifts because people are racist and vote on race as much as issues.

Bio is a Cuban immigrant , that's hit ain't the same as being a Mexican and shows how out of toug repuba are if they think that's the solution

Cruz is a fucking not job tea party member who benefitted from Texas still having a million rural fucks voting on 1950s principles

Keep dreaming , republicans themselves have admitted Rubio carries no away with Latino vote he is viewed as completely partisan And in case you missed out last night, he picked the wron party to play partisan bs with minorities

Face it the republican party today is a party that thinks Mexicans =illegal aliens and women rights= abortion

Unless they drastically change the party within 4 years, more moderate republicans like the former Florida governor will be switching parties and the republican party will become a minority party. The white male partyy

It doesn't get more moderate than McCain and mittens. They dominated in 2010 because the base went out and voted. They need to pick someone who will do that again.

No McCain was a moderate and threw that down the drain with Sarah palin, you are delusional of you think someone who took the self deport stance in the primaries is a moderate


Romney was a moderate on 1994

Tea party got their asses handed to the. This election

No McCain was a moderate and threw that down the drain with Sarah palin, you are delusional of you think someone who took the self deport stance in the primaries is a moderate


Romney was a moderate on 1994

Tea party got their asses handed to the. This election

Republican party has a decision to make. They had I've to make after getting stomped in 08 and they got nutty, now the decision is accept immigration reform or become the party of the white minority vote

Birdofthad wrote:

No McCain was a moderate and threw that down the drain with Sarah palin, you are delusional of you think someone who took the self deport stance in the primaries is a moderate


Romney was a moderate on 1994

Tea party got their asses handed to the. This election

Republican party has a decision to make. They had I've to make after getting stomped in 08 and they got nutty, now the decision is accept immigration reform or become the party of the white minority vote

Not in TX Ted Cruz wins!

Romney & McCain were both moderates who didn't get the base voting.

Republican base was out strong. That bloc is a consistent voter, and they wanted Obama out in the worst way.

Oh and to come back off my stance a bit, the deficit needs to be reigned in as well.

Fairly strong economy plus escalating deficit probably means a Republican pres in 2016.

captain organic wrote:

Republican base was out strong. That bloc is a consistent voter, and they wanted Obama out in the worst way.

The base didn't want another moderate.

08 - 59,934,814 for McCain - didn't win independent
12 - 58,122,514 for Romeny - won independent vote

The only way GOP wins is with a candidate that gets people out voting. The base and grass roots movement that can win the office is conservative.

Farmer1906 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

Republican base was out strong. That bloc is a consistent voter, and they wanted Obama out in the worst way.

The base didn't want another moderate.

08 - 59,934,814 for McCain - didn't win independent
12 - 58,122,514 for Romeny - won independent vote

The only way GOP wins is with a candidate that gets people out voting. The base and grass roots movement that can win the office is conservative.

shrinking #'s due to the fact that the conservative base is old and dieing off. % of republicans who vote was still very high.