If the election was tomorrow, who would you vote for?

I know it's not till next year but im just curious as to where some of you guys are leaning early on. Im gonna narrow it down to 4 choices to make it easier. This isn't who you think will win, it is who you personally want to win and who you think would do the best job restoring our country.

Ron Paul, but he won't be elected so the point is mute. But, if I had to place them in order.

1. Paul
2. Perry
3. Mit
4. Obama

I literally want to vote for none of the above.

Ron Paul out of that bunch. I don't even know who Perry is but if he is related to Joe and Katie he might get some votes.

I like Dennis Kucinich

Would be Ron Paul, he represents more of my beliefs.

but since he has no chance in hell because the repubs treat him like the black sheep of the field and most americans would be nowhere ready to accept some of his more controversial stances(like drugs) i will choose between the three guys that have a shot in hell.

That would be Mitt Romney.

I'm still learning about Perry, but from the debates since he entered, i thought Mitt Romney has been showing to be the more worthy frontrunner.

A more clear answer, if the election started tommorow it would pretty much be ABO(Anybody but Obama)

Ron Paul

The Republican on the ballot.

OU wrote:

The Republican on the ballot.

Looks like it will be Perry. An Aggie BTW.

Hard to say, Don't know enough to make a decision but I know it wont be Obama and probably wont be Ron Paul since that's a vote for Obama.

how is voting for ron paul the same as voting for Obama? That makes no sense. The represent completely opposite positions on government.

Also don't believe the propaganda that Ron Paul has no chance. He has solidified himself in the top 3 with Perry and Romney. His support is blowing up right now. The only thing holding him back from being the clear favorite is the media and people are seeing through it now.

well the economy is shit so lets let an economist have a chance

If I was American I'd vote with my manhood for the crazy hot witch lady.

oggy420 wrote:

how is voting for ron paul the same as voting for Obama? That makes no sense. The represent completely opposite positions on government.

Also don't believe the propaganda that Ron Paul has no chance. He has solidified himself in the top 3 with Perry and Romney. His support is blowing up right now. The only thing holding him back from being the clear favorite is the media and people are seeing through it now.

Please refer to Ross Perot and everyone else that gets empty votes.

That very well may be, but I'm not 100% convinced. Aside from that, and sorry for this cause most Ron Paul people freak out when I say this, but I actually do not agree with everything he says.

if you don't agree with what he stands for than fine but i just want to make sure you aren't confused on what that is.

Obama is a socialist and believes that the government should play the role of god in everyone's life. He is all for corporate take over of this country and looting the american people out of their money and property until there is nothing left. He stands side by side with the most corrupt ceo's and private bankers of the world. He is the opposite of what America should stand for.

Ron Paul is a strict constitutionalist, a strict fiscal conservative who has never voted for any legislation that has an unbalanced budget. He believes in protecting personal liberty and private property and that any laws that violate these god given rights should be ruled unconstitutional and illegal. He believes in removing the parasite that is the federal government from controlling the economy and giving it back to the people so that a truly free market can thrive and make gold and silver legal tender and return the gold standard to the dollar. Sound money, free markets, restraining the federal government strictly to the constitution, a non-interventionist foreign policy preached by our founders, and a love for liberty and everything that is truly american again.

oggy420 wrote:

if you don't agree with what he stands for than fine but i just want to make sure you aren't confused on what that is.

Obama is a socialist and believes that the government should play the role of god in everyone's life. He is all for corporate take over of this country and looting the american people out of their money and property until there is nothing left. He stands side by side with the most corrupt ceo's and private bankers of the world. He is the opposite of what America should stand for.

Ron Paul is a strict constitutionalist, a strict fiscal conservative who has never voted for any legislation that has an unbalanced budget. He believes in protecting personal liberty and private property and that any laws that violate these god given rights should be ruled unconstitutional and illegal. He believes in removing the parasite that is the federal government from controlling the economy and giving it back to the people so that a truly free market can thrive and make gold and silver legal tender and return the gold standard to the dollar. Sound money, free markets, restraining the federal government strictly to the constitution, a non-interventionist foreign policy preached by our founders, and a love for liberty and everything that is truly american again.

Damn, I'm not even American and that paragraph won me over. Where do I vote?

haha well if you can talk to any americans you know, tell them that if they want to restore our economy as well as the american spirit then they should listen to the words of Ron Paul and see if his message doesn't appeal to them. That would be just as good as voting really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moD2JnGTToA

Click the link, get the video views, make aware

remove the enablers

http://m.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/09/an-important-video-to-watch-pepper-spray-by-a-cruel-and-cowardly-nyc-cop/245629/

First Amendment to the United States Constitution: right to peaceably assemble

Peacefully assemble in protest of the crimes of wall street = corralled by police, beaten and arrested for attempting to leave corral, once securely confined in pen, get maced.

Quote :

The Police Department’s chief spokesman, Paul J. Browne, said the police had used the pepper spray “appropriately". According to the spokesperson, “Pepper spray was used once after individuals confronted officers and tried to prevent them from deploying a mesh barrier — something that was edited out or otherwise not captured in the video.”

Obviously faked videos.

#occupywallstreet can blow me. I've had it with these crybaby bitches. I have no issue with anyone assembling for any reason, wether I agree or not with their reasons.

I've heard so many of these fucks that think it's not fair that there are millionaires in the country. There is no gaurantee of the "American Dream" in this country. Period. Some make it and some do not.

I think a lot of CEO's involved in bailouts are absolute scumbags, but that is not the majority of "rich" people, and certainly not the people they will find on Wall Street. I also love the fact that they attack companies like google and cry about how much some of those guys make...even though they support them considering their videos can be seen on youtube, and you can contact them at gmail accounts...awesome.

How about you attack the 15-20% that pay absolutely nothing in support of this country.

Not every person that has made it has gotten there by fucking everyone over along the way.

So, would it be safe to assume you all for the corralling and macing of your fellow citizens who exercising their constitutional rights? You're satisfied with the direction policy shifters in the financial/business/political world have led the masses?

GDPofDRC wrote:

So, would it be safe to assume you all for the corralling and macing of your fellow citizens who exercising their constitutional rights? You're satisfied with the direction policy shifters in the financial/business/political world have led the masses?

That's certainly not what I said. But the fact is, we live in the world of, lets catch a cop on video and throw it on youtube. Do you have any clue what it takes to be an NYPD cop? They didn't put a bullet n her face, and that is an edited video. You think the person putting it out would show her being a raging cunt to the cop??? IF that's what she was.

Sorry man, I'm sick of lots of things with this country, and these fucks are one of them.

Right cause it takes a real man to mace penned in women. But go ahead and be both sick of bullshit and people who are sick of bullshit. And I guess the several versions of the video are all edited. Can't be real cause a cop did it in NY.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Right cause it takes a real man to mace penned in women. But go ahead and be both sick of bullshit and people who are sick of bullshit. And I guess the several versions of the video are all edited. Can't be real cause a cop did it in NY.

This is the same reason I try to stay out of conspiracy talks too. Sorry for voicing my opinion.

I really dont see what the problem is with video taping Police. It's a 1st amendment right really, freedom of press as long as you are on public property. The are recording you, you know that obviously, so why should it be illegal for you to do the same thing.
Example: there is a recent story, i think it was in chicago, police arrested a guy for video taping them when they were on his property without a warrant. They actually charged him with secret wire taping (he recorded them with his cell phone camer) and tried giving him life in prison!. He was et free and cleared of charges but not until it actually went to court. He was beat by the cops too and has a lawsuit against them.

As for NYPD, i know first hand how corrupt they are. I got locked up one night in downtown manhattan. Got caught with a dime bag. Normally would be a upm violation where i live, just a fine. Nope. Cuffed, thrown in the back of the car, the cops stole 60 bucks and my train ticket. I spent over 30 hours in a freezing cold disgusting cell. I dont think words can do it justice to just how awful it was in there. Which is illegal, you're not supposed to spend more than 24 without seeing a judge. It is my first offense so they were just gonna give me the thing where it's gonna be exponged anyway if i dont get in troulbe for a year. Everyone was in there was pretty bogus reasons. They run a scam in the subway where you cant get a ticket from the machine, and there is no attendant at the window. People hop it and the cop is undercover right there and arrests you. One guy was in there for a sheet rock knife. Just stupid shit.


I know first hand their is an internal investigation going on in NYPD on the corruption. It's pretty out of control. What they did to the peaceful protesters on wall street is pretty ridiculous too.

Zigg, i dont understand how you can be mad at people who are just trying to point out major flaws in our society. The fact is, wether you want to admit it or not, our country is in trouble. Now is the time to ask real questions and try to change our ways, because they are not working.


As far as Politicians go, more of the same is not going to work. We really have to be honest with ourselves right now. We know what Obama is. He is big government, he is pro warmongering, anti-civil liberties, leans heavily towards socialism, and will run this country into the ground if we let him have another term. Rick Perry is really frizzling out right now. Romney has a lot of baggage. The first couple of debates have proven that Romney and Perry are flip floppers and have shown serious lack of good judgement often.

You can believe what you want about Ron Paul and his beliefs, but for me, i have to vote for him by deffault because i know he is the only one up there who is telling us the truth. He is the only one that i believe truly stands with the people. The only one i trust to not abuse his powers as president and to not cave to the special interests that are controlling D.C. Wether i agree with everything he says or not, i have to vote for him because i know he is the only one that represents real change. Break away from the status quo of the all mighty police stae and return american ideals that this country was founded on.

I don't know if I'm just terrible at getting my point across or if people in these discussions just don't listen.

It's like the Mosque at ground zero, I never once questioned anyone's right to do ANYTHING, I just get sick of some of this shit. And I have to ask, is there a link to the Chicago story, or is it the same as people saying that there are 5 9/11 hijackers alive and well working as pilots in Saudi Arabia?

So there's people in jail for possesion of marijuana and theft and that's a giant problem/corruption? Believe me when I tell you that it's bullshit and I don't agree with it and there are much larger issues than your dime, or people hopping turnstyles. But you are saying that it's not ok for cops to arrest people who break the law.

I don't completely disagree with you on the protestors Og, but what are they really getting done there? Are the guys that do regular trading the evil scumbags of the world? Without the bailouts, we'd be looking at thousands more people out of work, like it or not. That being said, there are some CEO's out there that should be shot, and the govt has no business running companies. Those are the problem, not me on my etrade account.

I completely respect your opinion on Ron Paul and there are a lot of things about him I agree with and like, but something really confuses me when it comes to him. There are A LOT of conspiracy guys that say what you said, you trust/believe him and think he will be the one to make the difference in this country, (which I agree is completely out of control), so two questions, what makes you believe he's not another evil politician lying to get the votes, and how can people who question every step our govt makes "blindly" follow anyone?

zigg, i dont want to get into an argument, but if you think bailouts for corrupt banks and giant corporations, with our tax payer money, is the answer and has actually done good, then just go ahead and vote for obama.

I know you love this country, as do i, but the people in Washington are fucking us right know. THEY DONT CARE ABOUT YOU AND ME. They care about advancing themselves and continuing the status quo that has been driving this country in a downward spiral.

I hope you are able to recognize who the enemy really is. The enemy isn't people protesting on wall street, it isn't the conspiracy theorists you seem to hate so much, and it isn't even "the terrorists". It is our leaders. Our leaders. They are turning us against eachother while they sit in their towers protected by the government that is supposed to protect we the people.