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PostSubject: Re: JDS will beat Cain   JDS will beat Cain - Page 3 EmptyMon Nov 07, 2011 2:07 pm

But he is young and will promise to come back stronger then ever. Maybe he wins the rematch down the road.
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I'm hoping JDS doesn't knock him out early because I won't be able to really rub it in since it would be clearly JDS "catching" a "rusty" Cain coming off a long layoff.
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UFC on FOX: Velasquez vs. Dos Santos Breakdown


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UFC on FOX 1: Velasquez vs. Dos Santos
Date: Nov 12, 2011
Location: Anaheim, California
Venue: Honda Center
Broadcast: FOX, Facebook and FOX.com

The Match-up:
Cain Velasquez (-155) over Junior Dos Santos (+125)

Past Fight:
Velasquez – 1st Round Knockout victory over Brock Lesnar at UFC 121 (10/23/2010)
Dos Santos – Unanimous Decision victory over Shane Carwin at UFC 131 (6/11/2011)

Record:
Cain Velasquez (9-0)
Junior Dos Santos (13-1)

Breakdown:
UFC on FOX will make history when it features the UFC Heavyweight Title
fight as the Main Event between current champion Cain Velasquez and the
#1 contender Junior Dos Santos. This fight has fireworks written all
over it as both of these fighters are undefeated inside the Octagon and
they both are very hungry for victory!

This fight is fairly even on paper but a few key categories give the
current champion the advantage. Below the match-up is broken down within
the ten key categories of an MMA fight with Velasquez taking the true
“EDGE”:

SkillVelasquezDos Santos
SpeedEDGE
Stand-up*PUSHPUSH
Jiu-JitsuPUSHPUSH
Wrestling*EDGE
ExperiencePUSHPUSH
AgePUSHPUSH
Unorthodox Ability*EDGE
Power*PUSHPUSH
SizePUSHPUSH
Cardio*PUSHPUSH
As you can see Velasquez has the “EDGE”; however, multiple categories
have been pushed since these two fighters are still very “even” in many
of the categories that define an MMA fighter. Each individual category
is detailed below:

Speed:
Both fighters are very similar in size but Velasquez’s fast hands with
varying combinations and his explosive wrestling give him the slight
EDGE here. If you’ve seen any of his fights he never stops moving
working angles and advancing his position.

Stand-up:
This is a definite even aspect in this match-up. Both fighters have 8
knockout victories each on their fight resume and they both throw
varying combinations with punches and kicks. Their ability to work
angles, throw combos, and utilize their explosive power is the best in
the division.

Jiu-Jitsu:
Both fighters are working with the best of the best to develop their
jiu-jitsu and they are at a fairly even level right now. We don’t
foresee this being a big factor in this fight.

Wrestling:
This is Velasquez’s category all day. He is a champion collegiate
wrestler who has adapted his wrestling into some of the very best in MMA
today. He can control the best of them which also opens up his stand-up
game.

Experience:
Velasquez could take the nod here as he is the UFC heavyweight champion
who has fought in the main event many times. However, Dos Santos has
also been in the limelight with main event status fights as well.
Basically, they’re both at the same place in their young MMA careers and
they’re about to collide.

Age:
Same as experience, very similar. Velasquez is 29 and Dos Santos is 27.

Unorthodox Ability:
Velasquez takes this category as he has the more diverse and
well-rounded MMA game. Elite wrestler, elite striker, and elite
grappler…

Power:
Lots of power to go around here. Both fighters have never been knocked
out before and both fighters can take a punch. Bombs will be dropped
come Saturday….

Size:
Similar again in that they both weigh approximately 240-245 pounds with
Dos Santos taking a slight height advantage at 6’3” as compared to
Velasquez at 6’1”. This will not be a deciding factor in this match-up
as they both have a 77” reach.

Cardio:
Both fighters always come into a fight well prepared and in shape.
Velasquez is known for his high pace and unlimited gas tank. 8 of his 9
fights have finished but in his one decision win over Cheick Kongo he
kept pressing forward relentlessly. Dos Santos keeps the fight moving
and in his last two fights he went the distance. The pace wasn’t as high
in these fights as it will be against Velasquez. One last piece to make
note of is Velasquez year long layoff; this will not be a factor as he
has been training hard and he is itching to fight.

This fight is definitely an excellent match-up that is even in many
categories. However, Velasquez has the more diverse and well-rounded MMA
game giving him the “EDGE” in this fight. There will be a lot of
respect given to each fighter when the cage door closes which will make
this fight go into the later rounds. It’ll be a strategic fight with
Velasquez walking away victorious via KO/TKO or Unanimous Decision and
with Velasquez as a moderate favorite Dissect loves a play on him all
day!

Dissect’s Pick: Cain Velasquez via UD or KO/TKO (-155)

Odds via BetOnFighting.com.
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GDPofDRC wrote:
OU wrote:
JDS is levels above Cain in the standup. Levels. People saying his standup is "almost" as good as JDS are flat out wrong.

What his striking is, is levels, levels more effective for winning fights.


JDS has better boxing but I think Cain has just as good if not better overall striking when you throw in kicks and striking from the clinch. Short elbows and knees go to Cain also. SICK DAWG, SICK STRIKING!
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PostSubject: Re: JDS will beat Cain   JDS will beat Cain - Page 3 EmptyMon Nov 07, 2011 4:50 pm

Cain has the best leg kicks in the HW division out of someone like Pat Barry. His standup is fantastic and the dude has shown a faster learning curve than pretty much every fighter we've watched over the last few years. Either one of these guys could catch and KO the other, but JDS has flaws on his feet other than the fact that he only uses his hands. He keeps his chin straight up on a platter, he's just been miles faster than everyone he has fought. Cain's head movement, kicks, accuracy, and power are all great

Plus that whole wrestling thing and the part about ungodly HW cardio
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my heart wants junior and I am suprised so many think he can beat cain. I dont know if I can pull the trigger on GOR but would love to see brown pride get beat by junior who when the axe murderer retires might be my new man crush
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OU wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and make a thread so I have another thread to bump up and tell some of you how wrong you were. JDS will be the UFC HW Champion after this weekend. I'm going on record now.
GDPofDRC wrote:
OU wrote:
Sick would imply that it is great and it
is far from that. Good might even be overstating it.

Locking this up.
OU wrote:
JDS is levels above Cain in the standup. Levels. People
saying his standup is "almost" as good as JDS are flat out
wrong.
OU wrote:
JDS by TKO 2:40 into round 3. By that time Cain would have
been hurt multiple times and he just won't be able to recover from the
damage taken throughout the fight.
OU wrote:
I'm hoping JDS doesn't knock him out early because I won't
be able to really rub it in since it would be clearly JDS "catching" a
"rusty" Cain coming off a long layoff.
Key quotes that I will live or die by this weekend.
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Probably die.
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chorky777 wrote:
Probably die.
doubt it.
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PostSubject: Re: JDS will beat Cain   JDS will beat Cain - Page 3 EmptyThu Nov 10, 2011 2:08 pm

R people seriously saying Cain's standup is on par with the JDS?

Dude was getting rocked on the regular vs Kongo. But outstriking old nog and turtle he is now amongst the elite?

Freaking crazy talk.

Cain, if he is to win, does it via relentless wrestling and cardio.
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PostSubject: Re: JDS will beat Cain   JDS will beat Cain - Page 3 EmptyThu Nov 10, 2011 2:13 pm

Getting hit and trucking through three times is not getting rocked on the regular.
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PostSubject: Re: JDS will beat Cain   JDS will beat Cain - Page 3 EmptyThu Nov 10, 2011 2:14 pm

And most people are saying if JDS has a slight advantage anywhere it is standup.
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GDPofDRC wrote:
Getting hit and trucking through three times is not getting rocked on the regular.


The fight was a standing affair for about 1 minute total, cain got rocked 3 times in that minute. No way am I putting him on JDS's level.
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GDPofDRC wrote:
And most people are saying if JDS has a slight advantage anywhere it is standup.
Saying it is only a slight advantage still baffles me.
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GDPofDRC wrote:
And most people are saying if JDS has a slight advantage anywhere it is standup.

U posted a break down that gave it a push, Bobbitt followed up saying he is at the top of the hwy strikers(or something like that).

I just see a clear edge for JDS here.
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People have been telling Velasquez his whole life that he cannot have as good of striking as JDS, he is tired of people telling him what he can and cannot do.
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GDPofDRC wrote:
People have been telling Velasquez his whole life that he cannot have as good of striking as JDS, he is tired of people telling him what he can and cannot do.


I'm tired of my girlfriend telling me I drink too much. but that don't mean im a better striker then JDS.
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I feel like Bart Scott.
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I feel like I was once told over and over that Brock Lesnar had bigger, better, stronger wrestling than Cain.
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GDPofDRC wrote:
I feel like I was once told over and over that Brock Lesnar had bigger, better, stronger wrestling than Cain.
Not by me! I'm very confident in my statements about JDS standup compared to Cain's.
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So you're not confident in your statements about Cain's standup?
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da fuck are you guys talking about?!


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GDPofDRC wrote:
So you're not confident in your statements about Cain's standup?
That they are overrated and calling his standup game sick is crazy and it's good at best. Yeah, I'm comfortable with that.
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killerofchicken wrote:
da fuck are you guys talking about?!


grown folk shit, you wouldn't understand.
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