UFC130 Predictions

I'll throw the rest of mine on tomorrow

Torres vs Mighty Mouse- This fight has the potential to be fireworks. DJ will try to close the distance and put Torres on his back. With his speed I'm sure he will succeed at points in this fight. Can Torres keep the distance on the feet or find a way to slip in the sub on the ground? I think it will be a very close fight on the cards but Torres slips in a sub late.

winner: Torres by sub, round 3


Kendall Grove vs. Tim Boetsch- Always interesting to see how a guy handles a drop in weight class. I think Kendall finds some success early on and uses his reach to land early in this fight. But I think eventually the power of Tim comes through. I think he powers his way to a takedown and finishes up with some ground n pound.

winner: Boetsch by TKO, round 2

Weigh ins are happening rye now'

Main card
Quinton Jackson (205) vs. Matt Hamill (205)
Frank Mir (260) vs. Roy Nelson (260)
Thiago Alves (170) vs. Rick Story (170)
Stefan Struve (255) vs. Travis Browne (247)
Brian Stann (186) vs. Jorge Santiago (185)

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Miguel Torres (135.5) vs. Demetrious Johnson (135.5)
Kendall Grove (185) vs. Tim Boetsch (186)

Preliminary card (Facebook)
Gleison Tibau (155) vs. Rafaello Oliveira (155)
Michael McDonald (136) vs. Chris Cariaso (135)
Renan Barao (135) vs. Cole Escovedo (135)

Really looking forard to the card tonight, a lot of really close matchups.

Enjoy the fights guy.

yep it looks like a it will be a good one.

I'm off the wagon. Low fight IQ, suspect heart, etc.

Wow kind of a shitty event tonight, time to go from buzzed to drunk.

LA wrote:

Wow kind of a shitty event tonight, time to go from buzzed to drunk.

Somewhat disagree.

Basically as the fights were good minus the maine event. But when the main event isn't even that big of a fight it really hurts the overall card when it doesn't meet minimal expectations.

Farmer1906 wrote:

LA wrote:

Wow kind of a shitty event tonight, time to go from buzzed to drunk.

Somewhat disagree.

Basically as the fights were good minus the maine event. But when the main event isn't even that big of a fight it really hurts the overall card when it doesn't meet minimal expectations.

+1

IDK bro, that was a 45-55 dollar event, 10 for me but still, the 5 fights we paid for....

Page/Hamill - Page is one of my favorite fighters ever, but Hamill offered so little tonight he was able to play it safe, maybe a hand issue played a part as well. But aside from a few times Rampage pressured him with some decent shots, it was a pretty boring fight.

Mir/County - IDK but Mir rarely seems to be in exciting fights, well unless he getting his ass beat. The fight was ok, but nothing more, and the fact that Roy gassed bizarrely quick, after the first rd, took a lot out of the fight. Country will never quit, but he was a zombie for the last 2 rds.

Alves/Story - 10 minutes of Story holding against the cage, a couple half takedowns resulting in nothing and a shot here and there. Alves fighting dumb, and not turning it up in the 3rd when he knew he lost the first two rds took a lot out of the fight.

Stann/Santiago - Pretty good fight, but Jorge coming back to the UFC and showing nothing changed in reality hurt it for me. Even if Stann fought great, Santiago looked kind of shwagish. His punches were slow and his takedown attempts weak, and his chin issues came up again.

Struve/Browne - Decent with a great KO, but this fight barely belonged on the main card in the first place.

In summary, kind of a shitty event we paid for........

Well, the thing is how u look at the card. I don't pay for any ppvs so I don't judge fights or cards based on money. To me they are all the same forvi get them all for free.

Stann va santiago was good it showed how jap mma is at times overrated compared to state side mma(Santiago and wiki being champs over there.

The story fight was good, story didn't only hold alves against the cage (ala rampage/machida) he stayed in the pocket and landed his own.

Struve browne did kinda suck for it exposed how in mma anything can happened with just one punch, entertaining bout though.

Mir/Nelson went to show how skill in mma surpasses all in if the fighter(Mir) is fading one. Heck I pick the wrong guy in this bout and I'm proud to Admit it. to a casual fan t was boring, to a Mir fan it was great facing a legit top 10 opponent and beating him even in his later days

Finally page/hamill. Pretty obvious. The most predictable fight with the most predictable outcome. Page not doing much for the first couple of minutes just like the machida fight. Not engaging his opponent like the machida fight . Waiting for his opponent to engage to counter him. Land a combo. Beating and outclassing his opponent. No Surprise .there was no ko.Like I posted before, page has power but he wasn't goning to finish hamill. Predictable dec. Only bout I was sure of the dec and the outcome.

Other than that, ok card with the main event not being so great

sub Lesnar - Mazzagati saved him
TKO Nog - ohh it was Zombie Nog, anyone could have beaten him that night
sub Kongo - closed his eyes and landed a lucky punch to set it up
KO Cro Cop - he sucks because it took him so long to knock out an old man
dec Nelson - Nelson gassed, otherwise he would have knocked Mir's head off

If Mir beat Jesus Christ by Vulcan Death Grip, someone here (probably Wolf) would come along and say Mir just got lucky and that pre-crucifixion JC would have kicked his ass.

Mir is a high profile gatekeeper

bobbitt15 wrote:

Mir is a high profile gatekeeper

Gatekeeper to a title shot,yes. Still a top 10 hw and top 5 in the ufc. Not bad for a guy who is on the decline in his career. Cain,jds,lesnar, and probably overeem and fedor could beat him imo but would favor him against the rest in the division

throwdownfight1 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Mir is a high profile gatekeeper

Gatekeeper to a title shot,yes. Still a top 10 hw and top 5 in the ufc. Not bad for a guy who is on the decline in his career. Cain,jds,lesnar, and probably overeem and fedor could beat him imo but would favor him against the rest in the division

Mir gets worked by Bigfoot and Barnett as well. He isn't that good

bobbitt15 wrote:

throwdownfight1 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Mir is a high profile gatekeeper

Gatekeeper to a title shot,yes. Still a top 10 hw and top 5 in the ufc. Not bad for a guy who is on the decline in his career. Cain,jds,lesnar, and probably overeem and fedor could beat him imo but would favor him against the rest in the division

Mir gets worked by Bigfoot and Barnett as well. He isn't that good

Barnett? Wow, u make it sound like barnett can beat a top hw without needing to cheat. Bigfoot may have a chance at this point in mir declining career but last time i checked he doesnt have the wrestling or power carwin/lesnar or cain have to nuetralize mir. Plus it was a few months ago he got dropped by a lhw journeyman , luckly for him kyle has weak bjj and ground compared to mirs.

Barnett may have roided in the past (Maybe Mir did too? who knows how many guys have...), but the guy is a legit talent, and more talented fighter then Mir has ever been. He's a more complete fighter with better wrestling and a better chin, or abilty to take damage. Where he is at right now though? who knows, but assuming he's himself he beats Mir 9-10 times.

Big Foot seems like a super bad matchup for Mir, I'd say this without the Fedor upset too(not that big an upset). And it's not like all a guy needs is wrestling or punching power to beat Mir, a guy could just be a better fighter. Foot could outgrapple Mir, outstrike Mir, outchin Mir.....And yeah Kyle dropped Foot, but he's a higher level striking than Frank has ever been, and hits like a HW but is quick like a LHW, it was just one of those things where he caught Big Foot just right.

And Mir's career isn't declining really, he's actually a better fighter now than he's ever been, but simply other guys are just better.

throwdownfight1 wrote:

Well, the thing is how u look at the card. I don't pay for any ppvs so I don't judge fights or cards based on money. To me they are all the same forvi get them all for free.

Stann va santiago was good it showed how jap mma is at times overrated compared to state side mma(Santiago and wiki being champs over there.

The story fight was good, story didn't only hold alves against the cage (ala rampage/machida) he stayed in the pocket and landed his own.

Struve browne did kinda suck for it exposed how in mma anything can happened with just one punch, entertaining bout though.

Mir/Nelson went to show how skill in mma surpasses all in if the fighter(Mir) is fading one. Heck I pick the wrong guy in this bout and I'm proud to Admit it. to a casual fan t was boring, to a Mir fan it was great facing a legit top 10 opponent and beating him even in his later days

Finally page/hamill. Pretty obvious. The most predictable fight with the most predictable outcome. Page not doing much for the first couple of minutes just like the machida fight. Not engaging his opponent like the machida fight . Waiting for his opponent to engage to counter him. Land a combo. Beating and outclassing his opponent. No Surprise .there was no ko.Like I posted before, page has power but he wasn't goning to finish hamill. Predictable dec. Only bout I was sure of the dec and the outcome.

Other than that, ok card with the main event not being so great

Dude it's not like I'm basing a cards quality simply on if I paid for it or not, but it certainly does play a factor. A PPV card is a PPV card for a reason, it's higher quality than a free card on Spike or Vs.. When you are throwing down money for a card you kind of expect it to be good, where as if a free card doesn't pan out, well it sucks, but not quite as much. This last event was the lowest I've rating a PPV card since I really can't remember...

And it's not really a good thing to admit you never pay for cards, personally not a fan of people who never throw down money towards any events.

throwdownfight1 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

throwdownfight1 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Mir is a high profile gatekeeper

Gatekeeper to a title shot,yes. Still a top 10 hw and top 5 in the ufc. Not bad for a guy who is on the decline in his career. Cain,jds,lesnar, and probably overeem and fedor could beat him imo but would favor him against the rest in the division

Mir gets worked by Bigfoot and Barnett as well. He isn't that good

Barnett? Wow, u make it sound like barnett can beat a top hw without needing to cheat. Bigfoot may have a chance at this point in mir declining career but last time i checked he doesnt have the wrestling or power carwin/lesnar or cain have to nuetralize mir. Plus it was a few months ago he got dropped by a lhw journeyman , luckly for him kyle has weak bjj and ground compared to mirs.

Mike Kyle could easily drop Mir's ass too if he clobbered him with a straight right. Bigfoot would be a nightmare for Mur

i want to hold off on the Barnett wagon for a bit, let's see him fight first before we make assumptions

LA wrote:

Barnett may have roided in the past (Maybe Mir did too? who knows how many guys have...), but the guy is a legit talent, and more talented fighter then Mir has ever been. He's a more complete fighter with better wrestling and a better chin, or abilty to take damage. Where he is at right now though? who knows, but assuming he's himself he beats Mir 9-10 times.

Big Foot seems like a super bad matchup for Mir, I'd say this without the Fedor upset too(not that big an upset). And it's not like all a guy needs is wrestling or punching power to beat Mir, a guy could just be a better fighter. Foot could outgrapple Mir, outstrike Mir, outchin Mir.....And yeah Kyle dropped Foot, but he's a higher level striking than Frank has ever been, and hits like a HW but is quick like a LHW, it was just one of those things where he caught Big Foot just right.

And Mir's career isn't declining really, he's actually a better fighter now than he's ever been, but simply other guys are just better.

barnett didnt only juice in the past, he still does it. even in his before his last high profile fight he did it and got caught. im pretty sure many of the hws juice up but to the extent josh does it, to get caught not once but multiple times, well that alone lets you know how much he needs its. also he is he a more talented fighter than mir? really. the one time he did win a belt he was popped for juicing. how many times was he stopped ? we have even seen him get stopped from just one punch in previous bouts too. how many does it usually take to stop mir? several. heck barnetts biggest win was over nog but who knows how juiced up he was in japan. remember, one of the reasons he went over there was cus he was able to juice.he does have better wrestling true but mirs striking and bjj are much better than his. a full mir would take out barnett.

as for bigfoot, outgrapple, maybe, but out strike? what makes you think that. even werdum was able to hold his own against him. mir is alot better striker than werdum is. also what fighter has bigfoot nailed or put away from the stand up to make you think that. and were do you get kyle is a high level striker, seriously. is he a good fighter, yes , can he bang and strike , yes but high level? bigfoot got caught yes, maybe it wouldnt happen in a rematch and kyle wouldnt punch him self out. imo he would still be gnp by the third with the stand up being competative up to that point ,but the same punch kyle landed, mir can land as well and with probably more power and finish it on the ground.

finally, mir looks better in his striking than he ever has but still doesn mean he is at his best. chuck looked great against frank and mix up his wrestling as well, dude looked dominant but that didnt mean he was at the peak of his career. mir has taken alot of damage in previous loses. his striking is at his best, his bjj has always been good but still, doesnt take away from the fact that the dude is fading. yes carwin are and wer better fighter than him , im just saying after the beating those two gave him , he hasnt been the same and it has shown in his last 2 bouts.