UFC130 Predictions

bobbitt15 wrote:

throwdownfight1 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

throwdownfight1 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Mir is a high profile gatekeeper

Gatekeeper to a title shot,yes. Still a top 10 hw and top 5 in the ufc. Not bad for a guy who is on the decline in his career. Cain,jds,lesnar, and probably overeem and fedor could beat him imo but would favor him against the rest in the division

Mir gets worked by Bigfoot and Barnett as well. He isn't that good

Barnett? Wow, u make it sound like barnett can beat a top hw without needing to cheat. Bigfoot may have a chance at this point in mir declining career but last time i checked he doesnt have the wrestling or power carwin/lesnar or cain have to nuetralize mir. Plus it was a few months ago he got dropped by a lhw journeyman , luckly for him kyle has weak bjj and ground compared to mirs.

Mike Kyle could easily drop Mir's ass too if he clobbered him with a straight right. Bigfoot would be a nightmare for Mur

what makes you think that? mir being fading , i can see that but other than that mir has better stand up and bigfoot doesnt have the wrestling to nuetralize mir. he was able to do it to fedor but mir is alot bigger than fedor and has delt with stronger,harder punchers with better wrestling than bigfoots

LA wrote:

throwdownfight1 wrote:

Well, the thing is how u look at the card. I don't pay for any ppvs so I don't judge fights or cards based on money. To me they are all the same forvi get them all for free.

Stann va santiago was good it showed how jap mma is at times overrated compared to state side mma(Santiago and wiki being champs over there.

The story fight was good, story didn't only hold alves against the cage (ala rampage/machida) he stayed in the pocket and landed his own.

Struve browne did kinda suck for it exposed how in mma anything can happened with just one punch, entertaining bout though.

Mir/Nelson went to show how skill in mma surpasses all in if the fighter(Mir) is fading one. Heck I pick the wrong guy in this bout and I'm proud to Admit it. to a casual fan t was boring, to a Mir fan it was great facing a legit top 10 opponent and beating him even in his later days

Finally page/hamill. Pretty obvious. The most predictable fight with the most predictable outcome. Page not doing much for the first couple of minutes just like the machida fight. Not engaging his opponent like the machida fight . Waiting for his opponent to engage to counter him. Land a combo. Beating and outclassing his opponent. No Surprise .there was no ko.Like I posted before, page has power but he wasn't goning to finish hamill. Predictable dec. Only bout I was sure of the dec and the outcome.

Other than that, ok card with the main event not being so great

Dude it's not like I'm basing a cards quality simply on if I paid for it or not, but it certainly does play a factor. A PPV card is a PPV card for a reason, it's higher quality than a free card on Spike or Vs.. When you are throwing down money for a card you kind of expect it to be good, where as if a free card doesn't pan out, well it sucks, but not quite as much. This last event was the lowest I've rating a PPV card since I really can't remember...

And it's not really a good thing to admit you never pay for cards, personally not a fan of people who never throw down money towards any events.

i do work for a ppv provider and distribute the ppvs. i work with dishnetwork and joe hand promotions and j/j sports . i have to get them all for free and have to know what im selling.

Bigfoot would beat Frank Mir to death. However the fact he trains in south Florida with ATT and Imperial is a knock against him tbh.

throwdownfight1 wrote:

LA wrote:

Barnett may have roided in the past (Maybe Mir did too? who knows how many guys have...), but the guy is a legit talent, and more talented fighter then Mir has ever been. He's a more complete fighter with better wrestling and a better chin, or abilty to take damage. Where he is at right now though? who knows, but assuming he's himself he beats Mir 9-10 times.

Big Foot seems like a super bad matchup for Mir, I'd say this without the Fedor upset too(not that big an upset). And it's not like all a guy needs is wrestling or punching power to beat Mir, a guy could just be a better fighter. Foot could outgrapple Mir, outstrike Mir, outchin Mir.....And yeah Kyle dropped Foot, but he's a higher level striking than Frank has ever been, and hits like a HW but is quick like a LHW, it was just one of those things where he caught Big Foot just right.

And Mir's career isn't declining really, he's actually a better fighter now than he's ever been, but simply other guys are just better.

barnett didnt only juice in the past, he still does it. even in his before his last high profile fight he did it and got caught. im pretty sure many of the hws juice up but to the extent josh does it, to get caught not once but multiple times, well that alone lets you know how much he needs its. also he is he a more talented fighter than mir? really. the one time he did win a belt he was popped for juicing. how many times was he stopped ? we have even seen him get stopped from just one punch in previous bouts too. how many does it usually take to stop mir? several. heck barnetts biggest win was over nog but who knows how juiced up he was in japan. remember, one of the reasons he went over there was cus he was able to juice.he does have better wrestling true but mirs striking and bjj are much better than his. a full mir would take out barnett.

as for bigfoot, outgrapple, maybe, but out strike? what makes you think that. even werdum was able to hold his own against him. mir is alot better striker than werdum is. also what fighter has bigfoot nailed or put away from the stand up to make you think that. and were do you get kyle is a high level striker, seriously. is he a good fighter, yes , can he bang and strike , yes but high level? bigfoot got caught yes, maybe it wouldnt happen in a rematch and kyle wouldnt punch him self out. imo he would still be gnp by the third with the stand up being competative up to that point ,but the same punch kyle landed, mir can land as well and with probably more power and finish it on the ground.

finally, mir looks better in his striking than he ever has but still doesn mean he is at his best. chuck looked great against frank and mix up his wrestling as well, dude looked dominant but that didnt mean he was at the peak of his career. mir has taken alot of damage in previous loses. his striking is at his best, his bjj has always been good but still, doesnt take away from the fact that the dude is fading. yes carwin are and wer better fighter than him , im just saying after the beating those two gave him , he hasnt been the same and it has shown in his last 2 bouts.

LOL at you essay responses, "How many times has he been stopped?" "How many punches does it take to stop Mir?" give me a fucking break dude. You're talking about Josh when he was 22 against a prime Rizzo, that was fucking 10 years ago bro LOL. Other then that he's only lost to two of the greatest HWs all-time, oh no!!!!! Can I bring up Mir getting finished by Brandon Vera or Cruz? And Mir has been dominated by strong wrestlers like Barnett, but while Carwin and Brock maybe stronger, you know what Josh is? a better more complete fighter. And as far as striking and JJ goes, no chance Mir would sub him, you need to do some more HW or something.

On Foot, um yeah outstrike, he has solid boxing and when did Mir become this striking juggernaut? Not seeing it. Also in the Werdum fight Foot broke his hand in the 1st rd. I'd guess he'd have the reach advantage and Frank doesn't exactly take punches well, Foot would certainly have the chin advantage. With Kyle, first off he didn't punch himself out, not sure where you got that from, Foot simply recovered and then used his size from there on out. But people who know the sport, know Kyle may not be the best MMA fighter, but he has very good hands and power. And Mir can't land that same punch in the same way because he doesn't have Kyle's quickness on the feet.

Honestly bro, you HAVE to be a Mir fan cause this shit in ridiculous, you may have a higher opinion of Mir then he does.

1. Less and less sold on Barnett these days. Lets see how he handles Grim. Barnett at his best would mug Mir though.

2. Mir has evolved into a high level UFC HW striker and knocking out Kongo, Crocop and Nog back it up, regardless of some of the mitigating circumstances.

3. Bigfoot is a legit HW striker who out boxed Andrei Arlovski.

4. Mike Kyle has some of the best pure kickboxing at HW right now, and is close to a K-1 level striker.

LOL at you essay responses, "How many times has he been stopped?" "How many punches does it take to stop Mir?" give me a fucking break dude. You're talking about Josh when he was 22 against a prime Rizzo, that was fucking 10 years ago bro LOL. Other then that he's only lost to two of the greatest HWs all-time, oh no!!!!! Can I bring up Mir getting finished by Brandon Vera or Cruz? And Mir has been dominated by strong wrestlers like Barnett, but while Carwin and Brock maybe stronger, you know what Josh is? a better more complete fighter. And as far as striking and JJ goes, no chance Mir would sub him, you need to do some more HW or something.

On Foot, um yeah outstrike, he has solid boxing and when did Mir become this striking juggernaut? Not seeing it. Also in the Werdum fight Foot broke his hand in the 1st rd. I'd guess he'd have the reach advantage and Frank doesn't exactly take punches well, Foot would certainly have the chin advantage. With Kyle, first off he didn't punch himself out, not sure where you got that from, Foot simply recovered and then used his size from there on out. But people who know the sport, know Kyle may not be the best MMA fighter, but he has very good hands and power. And Mir can't land that same punch in the same way because he doesn't have Kyle's quickness on the feet.

Honestly bro, you HAVE to be a Mir fan cause this shit in ridiculous, you may have a higher opinion of Mir then he does.[/quote]



wow la, are you ok. looks like i offend you. better yet did mir do something to you. lol

i like how you stayed away from the whole juicing thing. we have simply been asuming here but one thing is for sure, barnett has needed juice to compete. also u give guys like shogun a pass for for coming off long layoffs and such but forget mir and his whole accident. not taking away anything from vera, dude was a better fighter that night and is a good striker but mir was just not the same for a coulple of years after the accident. also i didnt get your final rantting in the first paragraph. are you trying to compare josh to carwin and lesnar. if i remeber correctly josh never beat an elite top 5 hw (other than the juicing incidents). i wont deny he isnt a complete fighter but that doesnt mean he is a better fighter. there are alot of complete fighters out there, doesnt mean they are better. heck lesnar is far from being a complete fighter but is better than some of the top hws. finally, what does "you need to do some more HW or something" mean.lol

as for foot, well once again, what top hw has he stopped from his feet. really. i never said mir was an elite striker but he is a better one than foot. he has shown his stand up improved in previous years and if you cant see that then sir u need to watch , wait let me correct that, understand mma a bit better. also foot brock his hand blah blah blah. lets go ahead and excuse faber and say he could of beaten brown, vera and say he was better than timmy, and so on and so on. wait i remember franklin goin 5 rounds against the crow with a broken hand. i remember gsp goin 5 rounds against thiago with an injured groin. i guess some guys have the heart of champs and some dont. lol wait arent u also saying on the other thread roy gassed cus he was sick. its easy for u to say roy gassed yet couldnt see kyle looking tired as heck during his fight with bigfoot. wow. finally i never said kyle wasnt a good fighter or didnt have quick hands with power, but they are not the hardest or fastest in mma, bigfoot just had his chin out there when he got hit like he has had it before. even had kyle been slower , it would of landed. he has good kickboxing but its not just that in mma

to sum it up , yes im a mir fan, my profile says it but at the same time im a realistic mma fan. look at my posts from last week, i didnt have mir winnin the fight. i pick nelson to ko him. if anything i underestimate mir . will he ever be champ again, no. is he still a top 10 hw, yes at least for now. i dont expect him to last there for long though. in the end he is still a good hw and fighter , but just a fading one just like most of the other guys who have gone threw wars in the past of were in the top 10 6/7 years ago

throwdown, I really tried to read that, I really did. But halfway into the second paragraph I had already had enough.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

throwdown, I really tried to read that, I really did. But halfway into the second paragraph I had already had enough.

thats cool, some of that is just talking bs towards the bs la was putting on. i must say though i like ur post right before my last one the best out of anything that has come out of me or la. im not really trying to discredit foot or kyle for any hw can ko any hw any given day. im just favoring mir over them and thats just my opinion.

BS? dude you dont know what you're talking about, that's why you get these responses, and everytime it's some useless essay.

throwdownfight1 wrote:

LOL at you essay responses, "How many times has he been stopped?" "How many punches does it take to stop Mir?" give me a fucking break dude. You're talking about Josh when he was 22 against a prime Rizzo, that was fucking 10 years ago bro LOL. Other then that he's only lost to two of the greatest HWs all-time, oh no!!!!! Can I bring up Mir getting finished by Brandon Vera or Cruz? And Mir has been dominated by strong wrestlers like Barnett, but while Carwin and Brock maybe stronger, you know what Josh is? a better more complete fighter. And as far as striking and JJ goes, no chance Mir would sub him, you need to do some more HW or something.

On Foot, um yeah outstrike, he has solid boxing and when did Mir become this striking juggernaut? Not seeing it. Also in the Werdum fight Foot broke his hand in the 1st rd. I'd guess he'd have the reach advantage and Frank doesn't exactly take punches well, Foot would certainly have the chin advantage. With Kyle, first off he didn't punch himself out, not sure where you got that from, Foot simply recovered and then used his size from there on out. But people who know the sport, know Kyle may not be the best MMA fighter, but he has very good hands and power. And Mir can't land that same punch in the same way because he doesn't have Kyle's quickness on the feet.

Honestly bro, you HAVE to be a Mir fan cause this shit in ridiculous, you may have a higher opinion of Mir then he does.

wow la, are you ok. looks like i offend you. better yet did mir do something to you. lol

i like how you stayed away from the whole juicing thing. we have simply been asuming here but one thing is for sure, barnett has needed juice to compete. also u give guys like shogun a pass for for coming off long layoffs and such but forget mir and his whole accident. not taking away anything from vera, dude was a better fighter that night and is a good striker but mir was just not the same for a coulple of years after the accident. also i didnt get your final rantting in the first paragraph. are you trying to compare josh to carwin and lesnar. if i remeber correctly josh never beat an elite top 5 hw (other than the juicing incidents). i wont deny he isnt a complete fighter but that doesnt mean he is a better fighter. there are alot of complete fighters out there, doesnt mean they are better. heck lesnar is far from being a complete fighter but is better than some of the top hws. finally, what does "you need to do some more HW or something" mean.lol

as for foot, well once again, what top hw has he stopped from his feet. really. i never said mir was an elite striker but he is a better one than foot. he has shown his stand up improved in previous years and if you cant see that then sir u need to watch , wait let me correct that, understand mma a bit better. also foot brock his hand blah blah blah. lets go ahead and excuse faber and say he could of beaten brown, vera and say he was better than timmy, and so on and so on. wait i remember franklin goin 5 rounds against the crow with a broken hand. i remember gsp goin 5 rounds against thiago with an injured groin. i guess some guys have the heart of champs and some dont. lol wait arent u also saying on the other thread roy gassed cus he was sick. its easy for u to say roy gassed yet couldnt see kyle looking tired as heck during his fight with bigfoot. wow. finally i never said kyle wasnt a good fighter or didnt have quick hands with power, but they are not the hardest or fastest in mma, bigfoot just had his chin out there when he got hit like he has had it before. even had kyle been slower , it would of landed. he has good kickboxing but its not just that in mma

to sum it up , yes im a mir fan, my profile says it but at the same time im a realistic mma fan. look at my posts from last week, i didnt have mir winnin the fight. i pick nelson to ko him. if anything i underestimate mir . will he ever be champ again, no. is he still a top 10 hw, yes at least for now. i dont expect him to last there for long though. in the end he is still a good hw and fighter , but just a fading one just like most of the other guys who have gone threw wars in the past of were in the top 10 6/7 years ago[/quote]


I started responding to this but it's so fucking retarded like you can't read or remember what you said earlier, not worth my time, learn more is all I can say, get off Mir's nuts too.

And stop saying Mir is fading, he's the best fighter he's ever been now by far, other fighters are simply better.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

throwdown, I really tried to read that, I really did. But halfway into the second paragraph I had already had enough.

Tell me about it, jesus christ....

Can I post a link back to ESPN?

I cant get into this thread at all because of all the long responses. Cut them in half Throwdown.

You wouldn't want to, I'm rolling out of this mess.

Brief overview?

IDK even know bro, yeesh would be more overview.

LA wrote:

IDK even know bro, yeesh would be more overview.

LA wrote:

BS? dude you dont know what you're talking about, that's why you get these responses, and everytime it's some useless essay.

really, are you the one who has been quoting everything i post. my mac is giving me issues, whats you excuse

I started responding to this but it's so fucking retarded like you can't read or remember what you said earlier, not worth my time, learn more is all I can say, get off Mir's nuts too.

And stop saying Mir is fading, he's the best fighter he's ever been now by far, other fighters are simply better.
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wow look at that

anyways, its ok if you didnt read it or understand it. its not the first time i have had to explain mma to you la. some people just post based off emotion instead of knowledge. its funny that all this got u worked up. now i know mir did something to you in the past. lol. o well

Throwdown, you're looking like an asshole in addition to an illiterate nincompoop. I mean that with respect and with consideration to your dignity dear friend.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Throwdown, you're looking like an asshole in addition to an illiterate nincompoop. I mean that with respect and with consideration to your dignity dear friend.

Thats a funny word lol.

I'm not reading all this but lets try to keep this civil. Throwdown, what leads you to believe Frank Mir wouldn't get clobbered by Bigfoot? Mir has faded against size like that time and time again. He was gassed out in the 2nd round against Nelson despite the fact that he was whooping his ass. Mir can have early success against anyone but I see no reason to believe he wouldn't crumble against a man the size of Silva as the fight went on

throwdownfight1 wrote:

I started responding to this but it's so fucking retarded like you can't read or remember what you said earlier, not worth my time, learn more is all I can say, get off Mir's nuts too.

And stop saying Mir is fading, he's the best fighter he's ever been now by far, other fighters are simply better.

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wow look at that

anyways, its ok if you didnt read it or understand it. its not the first time i have had to explain mma to you la. some people just post based off emotion instead of knowledge. its funny that all this got u worked up. now i know mir did something to you in the past. lol. o well

Jesus..... the old me would go off here and rip your ignorance to shreads, but I've outgrown that shit. I acknowledged reading it, but said it wasn't worthy of a response, another respected poster in Wolf responding similarly should tell you something, and not really worked up, simply reminded of ESPN.....I'll say you have some interesting unique thoughts on certain things and leave it....

bobbitt15 wrote:

I'm not reading all this but lets try to keep this civil. Throwdown, what leads you to believe Frank Mir wouldn't get clobbered by Bigfoot? Mir has faded against size like that time and time again. He was gassed out in the 2nd round against Nelson despite the fact that he was whooping his ass. Mir can have early success against anyone but I see no reason to believe he wouldn't crumble against a man the size of Silva as the fight went on

in the hw division in mma any hw can lose to any other hw on any given day. from what i've seen i favor mir based on his skill. true he looked gassed but mir has never been known to have great cardio. can bigfoot win, yes i wouldnt count him out, frank might get the fedor treatment, still that doesnt change the thought that i would favor frank based on his skill and experience. i would be one of the first to admit i wasnt expecting him to win against roy. i thought roy would of tko'd him early on but frank came in with a good gameplan and fought a smart fight. i think many fighters can win most of their fights fighting this way. then again many can win based off size or one skill. in the end i would root and favor frank but doesnt mean i will be right or bigfoot wouldnt clobber frank. look how many people counted out story this past weekend before the fight

Jesus..... the old me would go off here and rip your ignorance to shreads, but I've outgrown that shit. I acknowledged reading it, but said it wasn't worthy of a response, another respected poster in Wolf responding similarly should tell you something, and not really worked up, simply reminded of ESPN.....I'll say you have some interesting unique thoughts on certain things and leave it....[/quote]







well they way you were posting did make you seem like an espn poster. if that was the old you then o well. also "respected" poster shouldnt be a word to just tossed around. i dont doubt wolfys knowledge in mma , i even agreed with one of his post in the previous page , but for me to take him as a "respect poster", i'd say no especially when some of his posts are based of hate towards fighters. heck we all know his thoughts on lesnar. i guess we can leave it at that. in the end most of what we post are opinions.

It was you my friend that is ESPN-esque

For you, http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=moresports&id=mma

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