Toni Valtonen displays his White Pride

The only thing this guy hates more than Jews is cardio.
http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/08/31/mma-fighter-toni-valtonen-has-swastika-white-power-tattoos/

Does that say "born to hate" on his stomach? That last word is hard to read.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Does that say "born to hate" on his stomach? That last word is hard to read.

I think so - it makes sense in context anyhow.

White pride I can live with because everyone seems to have some pride tattoo (brown, yellow, rainbow etc...) but the swastika is the enemy of my grandfather which makes him my enemy. Don't like it.

A swastika is different then white pride. White pride can be interpreted in a non-racist fasion, similar to brown pride, yellow pride, etc. However, a swastika cannot be interpreted differently from what it is. Personally, I find all these "pride" movement type things to be foolish, but to each his own.

hope he gets his face beat in. not to mention he looks like a bum but then again I have never seen him fight.

Im neither for or against the tattoos. As long as he is not verbally hazing or physically harming other races it makes no difference to me.

If hispanics and african americans can have their color pride tattoos, whites should be able to as well.

I get the whole swastika thing and why it WILL offend people, but as previously stated, as long as he is not verbally or physically harming other people...I have no problem with it.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Does that say "born to hate" on his stomach? That last word is hard to read.

and yes, that does say Born To Hate.

NoRegret wrote:

Im neither for or against the tattoos. As long as he is not verbally hazing or physically harming other races it makes no difference to me.

If hispanics and african americans can have their color pride tattoos, whites should be able to as well.

I get the whole swastika thing and why it WILL offend people, but as previously stated, as long as he is not verbally or physically harming other people...I have no problem with it.

What about the swastika combined with the "born to hate" tattoo? Isn't that hazing? He isn't just showing his pride, he is also showing hate. That is where it crosses the line IMO.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

NoRegret wrote:

Im neither for or against the tattoos. As long as he is not verbally hazing or physically harming other races it makes no difference to me.

If hispanics and african americans can have their color pride tattoos, whites should be able to as well.

I get the whole swastika thing and why it WILL offend people, but as previously stated, as long as he is not verbally or physically harming other people...I have no problem with it.

What about the swastika combined with the "born to hate" tattoo? Isn't that hazing? He isn't just showing his pride, he is also showing hate. That is where it crosses the line IMO.

I already mentioned the swastika in my post. I agree that it is offensive to alot of people. It is not hazing however, until he physically or verbally starts to harass people about it.

I am in no way supporting it, and i am in no way against it. I just like to look at things from both spectrums.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

NoRegret wrote:

Im neither for or against the tattoos. As long as he is not verbally hazing or physically harming other races it makes no difference to me.

If hispanics and african americans can have their color pride tattoos, whites should be able to as well.

I get the whole swastika thing and why it WILL offend people, but as previously stated, as long as he is not verbally or physically harming other people...I have no problem with it.

What about the swastika combined with the "born to hate" tattoo? Isn't that hazing? He isn't just showing his pride, he is also showing hate. That is where it crosses the line IMO.

With a swastika tattoo, he doesn't even need the "born to hate." There is no other interpretation for the swastika, unless it were repositioned into a square instead of a diamond and reversed in direction, which is an Indian symbol of peace. A swastika and white pride (however you want to interpret white pride) are two different things, though they can be representative of the same for some. White pride can be argued through semantics, but a swastika represents something that cannot be argued with semantics to not encompass hate.

Personally, I don't care if he has the tattoo, but it will likely hurt his own career.

NoRegret wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

NoRegret wrote:

Im neither for or against the tattoos. As long as he is not verbally hazing or physically harming other races it makes no difference to me.

If hispanics and african americans can have their color pride tattoos, whites should be able to as well.

I get the whole swastika thing and why it WILL offend people, but as previously stated, as long as he is not verbally or physically harming other people...I have no problem with it.

What about the swastika combined with the "born to hate" tattoo? Isn't that hazing? He isn't just showing his pride, he is also showing hate. That is where it crosses the line IMO.

I already mentioned the swastika in my post. I agree that it is offensive to alot of people. It is not hazing however, until he physically or verbally starts to harass people about it.

I am in no way supporting it, and i am in no way against it. I just like to look at things from both spectrums.

Is there any other tattoos that preach hate the way this one does? This is not a "pride" tattoo, it is a hate tattoo. Not the same as any I have seen.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

NoRegret wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

NoRegret wrote:

Im neither for or against the tattoos. As long as he is not verbally hazing or physically harming other races it makes no difference to me.

If hispanics and african americans can have their color pride tattoos, whites should be able to as well.

I get the whole swastika thing and why it WILL offend people, but as previously stated, as long as he is not verbally or physically harming other people...I have no problem with it.

What about the swastika combined with the "born to hate" tattoo? Isn't that hazing? He isn't just showing his pride, he is also showing hate. That is where it crosses the line IMO.

I already mentioned the swastika in my post. I agree that it is offensive to alot of people. It is not hazing however, until he physically or verbally starts to harass people about it.

I am in no way supporting it, and i am in no way against it. I just like to look at things from both spectrums.

Is there any other tattoos that preach hate the way this one does? This is not a "pride" tattoo, it is a hate tattoo. Not the same as any I have seen.

We could get into a big discussion about this for days on end lol.

Its going to offend people. There is no doubt about that. I'd be shocked if he was the only racist guy in MMA. Whether he flaunts it and others dont is a whole other story.

NoRegret wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

NoRegret wrote:

Im neither for or against the tattoos. As long as he is not verbally hazing or physically harming other races it makes no difference to me.

If hispanics and african americans can have their color pride tattoos, whites should be able to as well.

I get the whole swastika thing and why it WILL offend people, but as previously stated, as long as he is not verbally or physically harming other people...I have no problem with it.

What about the swastika combined with the "born to hate" tattoo? Isn't that hazing? He isn't just showing his pride, he is also showing hate. That is where it crosses the line IMO.

I already mentioned the swastika in my post. I agree that it is offensive to alot of people. It is not hazing however, until he physically or verbally starts to harass people about it.

I am in no way supporting it, and i am in no way against it. I just like to look at things from both spectrums.

I don't see much bottom line difference between verbal harrassment and the tattoo's. Does he not get the same message across either way?

I'd love to see a black jew kick his ass.

Like I said. A tattoo is just a tattoo. He most likely is a racist.

But unless he is acting on his racist impulses to verbally and or physically abuse members of other races. I do not see it as a big deal.

NoRegret wrote:

Im neither for or against the tattoos. As long as he is not verbally hazing or physically harming other races it makes no difference to me.

If hispanics and african americans can have their color pride tattoos, whites should be able to as well.

I get the whole swastika thing and why it WILL offend people, but as previously stated, as long as he is not verbally or physically harming other people...I have no problem with it.

I disagree. He might as well have a "death to the Jews" and "The holocaust was awesome only didn't go far enough" If Rampage got a "Kill Whitey" tat would that be ok?

Brown Pride, Black power, women's rights movements and Gay pride movements are completely different. These people have been discriminated against, lynched, beaten, had no voting rights (among other rights) and been told they are inferior because of how they are born. As a result, there is a need for people to repair their damaged sense of self, after society has told them they are inferior.

Not to mention, no matter how much someone tells you otherwise, anyone who is into "white pride" is really just racist as hell with an inferiority complex. Really, "White Pride" is not about being proud of your heritage, it's about hate. Just read Toni's muffin top and that becomes clear.

NoRegret wrote:

Like I said. A tattoo is just a tattoo. He most likely is a racist.

But unless he is acting on his racist impulses to verbally and or physically abuse members of other races. I do not see it as a big deal.

And like I said does he not get the same message across wether he is doing something verbally or by displaying his racist tattoo's? Do we not communicate in ways other then verbal?

I get your point Jrug. But you're acting as if whites are the only racists on the planet. That would be an ignorant statement. I was the minority living where I lived for the majority of my life up til when I was about 14 years old. I get along great with all races, but that doesnt mean everything is fine between all races.

For example, my mother being shot and killed by a gang of black guys almost 6 years ago which was why we moved out into the suburbs. I had been jumped in my neighborhood twice for being white. My buddy Ryan was stabbed in our school for being white. No publicity on those kinds of things though because it is the whites being attacked by other races which is okay by today's standards apparently

For someone to try and act like whites are the only racists in the country, after all I have been through and lost....kinda hits a nerve for me.

I agree that a swastika is racist. I never deterred from that. But my god it is just a tattoo! Its not like the dude is running down to the ring doing the nazi march, saluting his way down the ramp.

Yes, the guy is probably a racist. But if you were to try to convince me that there are not other racists in MMA I'd have to call shenanigans. Just because one guy has a tattoo about it and others dont is no reason to overreact. And its not like he's in a major fighting company. (to my knowledge)

If he wants to get anywhere with his fighting career, alotta places will probably have him cover it up. That would be my only logical idea for what would happen. But the fact that the pictures of it are out on the internet have probably hurt any chances he has had to get anywhere with a fighting career.

NoRegret wrote:

I get your point Jrug. But you're acting as if whites are the only racists on the planet. That would be an ignorant statement. I was the minority living where I lived for the majority of my life up til when I was about 14 years old. I get along great with all races, but that doesnt mean everything is fine between all races.

For example, my mother being shot and killed by a gang of black guys almost 6 years ago which was why we moved out into the suburbs. I had been jumped in my neighborhood twice for being white. My buddy Ryan was stabbed in our school for being white. No publicity on those kinds of things though because it is the whites being attacked by other races which is okay but today's standards apparently

For someone to try and act like whites are the only racists in the country, after all I have been through and lost....kinda hits a nerve for me.

I agree that a swastika is racist. I never deterred from that. But my god it is just a tattoo! Its not like the dude is running down to the ring doing the nazi march, saluting his way down the ramp.

Yes, the guy is probably a racist. But if you were to try to convince me that there are not other racists in MMA I'd have to call shenanigans. Just because one guy has a tattoo about it and others dont is no reason to overreact. And its not like he's in a major fighting company. (to my knowledge)

If he wants to get anywhere with his fighting career, alotta places will probably have him cover it up. That would be my only logical idea for what would happen. But the fact that the pictures of it are out on the internet have probably hurt any chances he has had to get anywhere with a fighting career.

I don't think Jruq was saying that whites are the only racists. What he was saying was that the white pride movement was not started for the same reasons and goals as the black and brown pride movements. Whether they turned into something else is another story. Truthfully, i have never met one "white pride" supporter who wasn't a racist, but that goes with any " _____ pride" supporter usually.

Jimbo Jones, I agree with your post fully.

I've been trying to get that point acrossed for the longest time.

I brought up Cain Velasquez's "brown pride" tattoo before and spoke on it.


I do agree that I have never met any "white pride" supporters that werent racist, and once again good point with the it could go anyway because ive never met any "black pride/power" or "brown pride" guys that werent racists either.

As i said a few posts ago, we could go on about this for days on end lol


Now if someone were to have "Italian pride", "American pride", "Mexican Pride" or things of those nature. I think they would be completely and totally fine.

I don't think anyone implied that whites are the only racist. Just that the swastika, white pride and born to hate are all racist tattoos. The only one of those that has anything to do with "pride" is "white pride" and even that is debatable.

Yah I didn't mean to imply that white's are the only racists, I just find the movements to be totally different, especially in their roots.

To be clear about the Swastika though - it is not ok. Under the swastika 6 million Jews were killed and the worst war of all time was started.

Those tattoos are pretty cool.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Those tattoos are pretty cool.

I thought you'd like them.

what he got tattoo'd on him isnt good, but the artwork itself looks pretty cool.