Brock vs Cain and how it effects the HW Rankings

Ali wrote:

LA wrote:

Not sure where you got the agreeing with Wolfy part, you hate on him cause you hate on him, all you have to do is read what you've wrote about him for a while.

Sure I hate Brock, your word is final

About as final as "Im never coming back, FUCK THIS PLACE"

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ali wrote:

LA wrote:

Not sure where you got the agreeing with Wolfy part, you hate on him cause you hate on him, all you have to do is read what you've wrote about him for a while.

Sure I hate Brock, your word is final

About as final as "Im never coming back, FUCK THIS PLACE"

Oh snap

Wolf will be the last one on that train, and there will be no room left when he comes around

If he beats Cain, they'll be some way to spin it so Brock isn't the best.

LA wrote:

Just have to do a little reading

You're confusing logic - IE not believing in Santa or Brock's superpower potential - with hate. Our point is that the very concept your premise is based on is firmly entrenched in Nutridarian philosophy.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ali wrote:

LA wrote:

Not sure where you got the agreeing with Wolfy part, you hate on him cause you hate on him, all you have to do is read what you've wrote about him for a while.

Sure I hate Brock, your word is final

About as final as "Im never coming back, FUCK THIS PLACE"

Not really how it was said, but man the things you live for, wonder what your life is like without this place

LA wrote:

Wolf will be the last one on that train, and there will be no room left when he comes around

If he beats Cain, they'll be some way to spin it so Brock isn't the best.

What is with all this motive talk. He's been a bad striker with average wrestling against a house of cards of talent and a win over Cain wouldn't change those initial facts. The context doesn't change. However if he beats Cain legitimately then he would have passed the best test in the UFC likely so I'd have no choice but to acknowledge he is the best fighter in the promotion. I'd still have Werdum and Fedor ahead, and I'd pick either against Lesnar but that's how I roll. I'm sure that's hate too though, to the Lesnarians.

Werdum would do nothing against him, takedown would be easy, mounting an attack off his back would be difficult and you'd see something similar to the arm pin on Mir, you never talked up Werdum like this till he beat Fedor. Fedor would be like a little brother under Brock, I can't see him overcoming that size difference, the first shot Brock would land and it'd Mir all over again the same.

We're talking about a guy whose done what he has in MMA aleady and is still learning and green in the sport.

Werdum and Frank Mir are not the same level of MMA grappler. That notion is ridiculous.


Logic.


Brock's fight with Mir proves he is immune to submission guys. Brockpowers.


Not logic.

Never said they were, I said Brock would be able to take him done and on the ground do what he does, put his huge chest on him, pin an arm with far superior strength, and do his thing.

LA wrote:

Never said they were, I said Brock would be able to take him done and on the ground do what he does, put his huge chest on him, pin an arm with far superior strength, and do his thing.

Ya. Immune to the ground game. Brockpowers win everytime dude.

Come dude, you know what he does when he gets you down

LA wrote:

Come dude, you know what he does when he gets you down

I know what he did once, against Mir, who has a habit of completely freezing in bad positions and thinking himself to death. Werdum would be an entirely different ball of wax.

Eh not buying Werdum beating Brock, but I know you're riding high on him since he beat Fedor.

Cool. My position is refuted by logic so I say eeeh and launch a strawman.

What logic again, that Werdum is just gonna sub Brock cause you say so? Brock is a way bigger man and his wrestling is tops regardless of you saying it isn't. He lands the takedown, gains control putting that ridiculously huge chest on Werdum, works slow, pins the arm easily and GnP him with anvils he calls hands. Man you draw me in like no other, I wanted to leave 20 minutes ago. Hell Brock has eh standup but he could even KO Werdum standing.

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Man you draw me in like no other, I wanted to leave 20 minutes ago.

Man, the things you live for.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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Man you draw me in like no other, I wanted to leave 20 minutes ago.

Man, the things you live for.

Doesn't apply here, you just say things which I need to argue, you never hyped Werdum like this before he beat Fedor is all I know.

You know why? That was before he beat Fedor. You never said Brock was immune to blackbelts before he beat Mir.

Beating Mir<Beating Werdum.

People were saying it'd be hard to put Brock in chokes and such before that, but not what I'm saying, I'm saying his wrestling and control, paired with overall size and bizarre chest size would make it difficult for Werdum to mount an attack off his back.

The bigger the chest, the more phallic the tattoo, the less BJJ works. LA I've truly missed your insights.

Werdum wouldn't last a round against Brock. Brock wouldn't put himself in the position Fedor did to get submitted.

He wouldn't go for the takedown and ground and pound eh?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

He wouldn't go for the takedown and ground and pound eh?

He would, but he would be chest to chest, and prob out danger. Though Brock has never faced a submission guy of the likes of Werdum, so can't say for sure how it goes.

He'll do what he did to Mir. Fedor's ego is what cost him against Werdum and Brock wouldn't make the same mistake.

To be fair, Werdum isn't actually the greatest submission guy. I'd contend that Frank Mir is better at actually getting subs than Werdum. Werdum is a MUCH better jits guy than Mir, but not better with submissions. He gets most of his wins by sweeping then pounding people out, not throwing up triangles like he did with Fedor. Even in his grappling championships, his wins are largely by points, because he's a master of position. His ability to sweep and control is beyond amazing. I don't know that he'd have the easiest time sweeping Lesnar. I'd have to favor Lesnar in that fight. But I definitely want to see that fight.