Dirrell's injury?

gomez1012 wrote:

UBeeg9cats wrote:

Thanks for waving the white flag with no counter argument. Of course Freddy Hernandez is an awful, awful choice but it is better to take a weak fight on an undercard than not fight IMO and WW is not as deep as some people make it out to be. Who was he gonna face? Money and Pac are nowhere to be seen. Collazo, Clottey, Cotto, and SSM moved up in weight. Alvarado is in prision. Are you telling me that Zaveck, Brook, Senchenko, Aydin(who also refused), Bailey, or Jones(busy) are on such a different level than Hernandez? I just don't see it personally but to each their own.

Lou DiBella promotes Berto and also has Randall Bailey and Kermit Cintron in his stable

those two are FAR better challenges than any name you threw out there

Al Haymon client's want the MOST $$$ for the least possible challenge

How is Bailey far better than himself? Cintron is at 154 as well. To answer your other post, Cotto turned down Berto not the other way around. Berto priced himself out of a SSM fight but thats the only one. Cotto turned it down. Many top WW have moved up to 154 when Berto is a small WW. I am not happy with Berto fighting Hernandez and I definitely think he is overpaid but I think we should only criticize him for the WWs he is not fighting and not JMWs.

UBeeg9cats wrote:

How is Bailey far better than himself? Cintron is at 154 as well. To answer your other post, Cotto turned down Berto not the other way around. Berto priced himself out of a SSM fight but thats the only one. Cotto turned it down. Many top WW have moved up to 154 when Berto is a small WW. I am not happy with Berto fighting Hernandez and I definitely think he is overpaid but I think we should only criticize him for the WWs he is not fighting and not JMWs.

When Berto wants 1.8 million OF 3 million to fight Cotto, thats pricing yourself out

And Cotto is a WW who happened to move up only for his last fight w/Foreman

Bailey is a proven puncher, ranked Jr WW, and already owns a better win on his resume than Hernandez has at 147
Bailey's best win at 147 - KO of Jackson Bonsu
Hernandez best win at 147 - KO of Chop Chop Corley

gomez1012 wrote:

UBeeg9cats wrote:

How is Bailey far better than himself? Cintron is at 154 as well. To answer your other post, Cotto turned down Berto not the other way around. Berto priced himself out of a SSM fight but thats the only one. Cotto turned it down. Many top WW have moved up to 154 when Berto is a small WW. I am not happy with Berto fighting Hernandez and I definitely think he is overpaid but I think we should only criticize him for the WWs he is not fighting and not JMWs.

When Berto wants 1.8 million OF 3 million to fight Cotto, thats pricing yourself out

And Cotto is a WW who happened to move up only for his last fight w/Foreman

Bailey is a proven puncher, ranked Jr WW, and already owns a better win on his resume than Hernandez has at 147
Bailey's best win at 147 - KO of Jackson Bonsu
Hernandez best win at 147 - KO of Chop Chop Corley

I have to ask for the link on Berto wanting 60% against Cotto. The most I have seen him ask for is 50% against SSM and Cotto is a bigger draw than SSM. If you give me the link, I will concede. All I read about the situation said Cotto turned it down because he was ready to fight JCC Jr.

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/so-is-a-tulip-worth-more-than-a-berto

Here it is, Slick posted it in a thread a while back

Quote :

"It’s based completely on how the representatives for the fighter can bullsh*t the network. Because, I mean, you get a kid like Andre Berto and Lou DiBella called me up and he said, ’How much do you think HBO would pay for a [Miguel] Cotto-Berto fight?’ I said, ’How much do you think?’ He said, ’About three million.’ I said, ’What does your guy want to do the fight?’ He said, ’About $1.8 million.’

"I said, ’Are you f**kin’ nuts?! Your guy can’t sell a ticket,’ Arum recalled. “It’s a totally artificial market. This reminds me of the tulips. Do you remember the tulips? Where they were selling tulips for unbelievable money; there was a market being made in tulips and suddenly, one day people said, ’What, are we crazy? They’re tulip bulbs!’ and the market collapsed overnight."

UBeeg9cats wrote:

Thanks for waving the white flag with no counter argument. Of course Freddy Hernandez is an awful, awful choice but it is better to take a weak fight on an undercard than not fight IMO and WW is not as deep as some people make it out to be. Who was he gonna face? Money and Pac are nowhere to be seen. Collazo, Clottey, Cotto, and SSM moved up in weight. Alvarado is in prision. Are you telling me that Zaveck, Brook, Senchenko, Aydin(who also refused), Bailey, or Jones(busy) are on such a different level than Hernandez? I just don't see it personally but to each their own.

Look I moved and don't have internet until time warner comes on Wednesday so Im posting from my Droid cell phone. So, there was no white flag in my end its just really annoying to have a back a forth with the phone. Really hard to quote and stuff. I repeat, I don't believe Berto's bullshit story about Haiti. I don't. He went on a goodwill mission instead of fighting a contracted fight. He constantly prices himself out of big fights and takes big money on HBO to fight unranked opponents and Jr Welterweights moving up instead of any top ten ranked welters. The only ranked welter he fought he went life and death with and eeked out a slim victory and hasn't fought a rematch. Collazo by the way is pretty much a part time fighter as is Quintana who hadn't fought at 47 in two years when Berto fought him. Alvarado a career jr welter fought in April and is ranked like twelfth in the weltwrweigt division. Hernandez isn't even ranked in the top 20 and jones berto was on the table. Berto wants too much money. He has to find an oponent that doesn't garner any kind of pay day. Until Berto steps up in class I will continue to rip him.

Oh, and another thing. Colazzo was offered less money for the rematch with Berto. If Berto gave a fuck about Glory he would have made that fight possible and silenced critics like me. The guy had an amateur trainer, terrible feet, and zero ring smarts and is protected by both his manager and promoter. He's the fucking WBC welter weight champion and he's fighting guys that aren't ranked in the top twenty in the division. The one big fight he was scheduled to take he cancelled and has made no real attempt to schedule anything of that magnitude since. You talk about risk reward? He's the fucking champ defending his title against challenges should be risky. Instead he's fighting freddy fucking hernandez.

Tragedy being what is was. Margarito fought the day his brother was murdered, Shane fought during a divorce, Danny Jacobs just fought a week after his grandmother died. Brett Favre played the week his dad died. Athletes play through adversity all the time. Berto chose not to. He could have gone down after the fight or donated his purse to the relief effort. Cancelling the fight was in my opinion the worst thing he could have done. But my opinion means nothing so believe what you want I ill keep ripping this guy untill he takes on a real challenge.

gomez1012 wrote:

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/so-is-a-tulip-worth-more-than-a-berto

Here it is, Slick posted it in a thread a while back

Quote :

"It’s based completely on how the representatives for the fighter can bullsh*t the network. Because, I mean, you get a kid like Andre Berto and Lou DiBella called me up and he said, ’How much do you think HBO would pay for a [Miguel] Cotto-Berto fight?’ I said, ’How much do you think?’ He said, ’About three million.’ I said, ’What does your guy want to do the fight?’ He said, ’About $1.8 million.’

"I said, ’Are you f**kin’ nuts?! Your guy can’t sell a ticket,’ Arum recalled. “It’s a totally artificial market. This reminds me of the tulips. Do you remember the tulips? Where they were selling tulips for unbelievable money; there was a market being made in tulips and suddenly, one day people said, ’What, are we crazy? They’re tulip bulbs!’ and the market collapsed overnight."

So what this says is Lou Dibella believes HBO would offer 3 mil and Berto wanted 1.8. It is an estimation by Dibella and the 1.8 mil is the starting offer. Do you believe he would end up with 1.8 after a negotiation? If there was a whole negotiation and Berto didn't budge, I would absolutely slam him. I would also slam Berto's management if they started with an offer of 1.2 when he received 1.25 for Quintana. Lastly, we are believing Arum when he wanted to make an in house fight.

As for Berto's competition sucking, I have already agreed to that but the best you came up with was Randall Bailey. Would I rather him fight Bailey instead of Hernandez? Of course but neither challenger lets me give him credit. We all realize that he needs to step up but I would rather him get a fight in and there was not much left at this moment.

UBeeg9cats wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/so-is-a-tulip-worth-more-than-a-berto

Here it is, Slick posted it in a thread a while back

Quote :

"It’s based completely on how the representatives for the fighter can bullsh*t the network. Because, I mean, you get a kid like Andre Berto and Lou DiBella called me up and he said, ’How much do you think HBO would pay for a [Miguel] Cotto-Berto fight?’ I said, ’How much do you think?’ He said, ’About three million.’ I said, ’What does your guy want to do the fight?’ He said, ’About $1.8 million.’

"I said, ’Are you f**kin’ nuts?! Your guy can’t sell a ticket,’ Arum recalled. “It’s a totally artificial market. This reminds me of the tulips. Do you remember the tulips? Where they were selling tulips for unbelievable money; there was a market being made in tulips and suddenly, one day people said, ’What, are we crazy? They’re tulip bulbs!’ and the market collapsed overnight."

So what this says is Lou Dibella believes HBO would offer 3 mil and Berto wanted 1.8. It is an estimation by Dibella and the 1.8 mil is the starting offer. Do you believe he would end up with 1.8 after a negotiation? If there was a whole negotiation and Berto didn't budge, I would absolutely slam him. I would also slam Berto's management if they started with an offer of 1.2 when he received 1.25 for Quintana. Lastly, we are believing Arum when he wanted to make an in house fight.

As for Berto's competition sucking, I have already agreed to that but the best you came up with was Randall Bailey. Would I rather him fight Bailey instead of Hernandez? Of course but neither challenger lets me give him credit. We all realize that he needs to step up but I would rather him get a fight in and there was not much left at this moment.

Berto has had years to find decent fighters to face. After the Collazo fight(which many fans felt he lost), they have avoided anyone resembling a top fighter. Enough of this bullshit. He and his promoter are a damn joke.

hbo are a joke for paying for it