Dirrell's injury?

The article says it's neurological.....does that mean he lost his noive?

He sprained his labia

Is there any real chance that the late punch from AA actually hurt him?

flapanther2001 wrote:

Is there any real chance that the late punch from AA actually hurt him?

I don't think there is any validity to the original injury at this point. I think the whole thing was bullshit at this point. He was medically cleared less than 24 hours after the punch. After the talk of the two not wanting to fight each other I think this is about as real as Berto needing to cancel a fight because of the earthquake.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

I don't think there is any validity to the original injury at this point. I think the whole thing was bullshit at this point. He was medically cleared less than 24 hours after the punch. After the talk of the two not wanting to fight each other I think this is about as real as Berto needing to cancel a fight because of the earthquake.

+1

That punch from Abraham wasnt landed nearly as hard as he claims it was. Replays clearly show after he was punched, he had a very slow reaction, plus after shaking when he was on the floor, its obvious he was trying to win an Oscar, not a boxing match. This injury is complete BS, Im thinking the boy is scared of Ward.

ESPN is reporting that his career could be over.

gomez1012 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

I don't think there is any validity to the original injury at this point. I think the whole thing was bullshit at this point. He was medically cleared less than 24 hours after the punch. After the talk of the two not wanting to fight each other I think this is about as real as Berto needing to cancel a fight because of the earthquake.

+1

I know I'm more of a Berto fan than most but 8 family members dying with more missing is not reason enough to cancel a fight? Is there any reason legit enough for you guys?

UBeeg9cats wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

I don't think there is any validity to the original injury at this point. I think the whole thing was bullshit at this point. He was medically cleared less than 24 hours after the punch. After the talk of the two not wanting to fight each other I think this is about as real as Berto needing to cancel a fight because of the earthquake.

+1

I know I'm more of a Berto fan than most but 8 family members dying with more missing is not reason enough to cancel a fight? Is there any reason legit enough for you guys?

I didnt have a problem with him canceling that fight.

UBeeg9cats wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

I don't think there is any validity to the original injury at this point. I think the whole thing was bullshit at this point. He was medically cleared less than 24 hours after the punch. After the talk of the two not wanting to fight each other I think this is about as real as Berto needing to cancel a fight because of the earthquake.

+1

I know I'm more of a Berto fan than most but 8 family members dying with more missing is not reason enough to cancel a fight? Is there any reason legit enough for you guys?

Look I don't know the circumstance of how close he was to them or not but the entire thing stunk as far as who and what members were lost. The pics of him down there and accompanying video looked like more of a goodwill mission not someone frantically looking for extended family members and cousins that grew up in a different country. Just like the Dirrell thing there were problems in his camp before the fight etc then the perfect scenario for a Hatian American looking for an out came along. HBO's more than generous salary further points to Berto abandoning the fight. Berto received 1.25 million for a fight with Quintana and will receive approximately the same for Freddy Hernandez. Berto has not made any attmpt to step up in class since the earthquake which makes it even more evident that Shane was out of his league and he and his management found an out. Berto can make roughly 2.5 or more million dollars a year fighting mediocre competition and keep his belt and record in tact instead of taking on the toughest challenge and possibly lose the belt and the donut. All these things combine makes his earthquake story very fishy.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

UBeeg9cats wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

I don't think there is any validity to the original injury at this point. I think the whole thing was bullshit at this point. He was medically cleared less than 24 hours after the punch. After the talk of the two not wanting to fight each other I think this is about as real as Berto needing to cancel a fight because of the earthquake.

+1

I know I'm more of a Berto fan than most but 8 family members dying with more missing is not reason enough to cancel a fight? Is there any reason legit enough for you guys?

Look I don't know the circumstance of how close he was to them or not but the entire thing stunk as far as who and what members were lost. The pics of him down there and accompanying video looked like more of a goodwill mission not someone frantically looking for extended family members and cousins that grew up in a different country. Just like the Dirrell thing there were problems in his camp before the fight etc then the perfect scenario for a Hatian American looking for an out came along. HBO's more than generous salary further points to Berto abandoning the fight. Berto received 1.25 million for a fight with Quintana and will receive approximately the same for Freddy Hernandez. Berto has not made any attmpt to step up in class since the earthquake which makes it even more evident that Shane was out of his league and he and his management found an out. Berto can make roughly 2.5 or more million dollars a year fighting mediocre competition and keep his belt and record in tact instead of taking on the toughest challenge and possibly lose the belt and the donut. All these things combine makes his earthquake story very fishy.

It was 8 cousins and his half sister and her family were missing for days without a means of communication. He wasn't close to the cousins but you think maybe just maybe his parents or grandparents might've have been severely affected and he might need to attend to them? I do not think Berto wanted to go through all the training for a fight and not get the career high payday and accolades that may have come with it. Maybe you can provide a link because I heard nothing but great things about his camp (like all camps). He tried to make fights with SSM and Cotto after the Quintana fight. I understand everyone thought his demands were ridiculous but most people should realize how much less of a win SSM would've been the 2nd time around. If he beats SSM in January, he is the #1 ranked WW with unified titles and a surefire date with Money or Manny. If he loses, he lost to a HOF that still has it. If he wins later in the year, he is picking on a faded fighter that is Money's leftovers. If he loses, he lost to a faded fighter that is clearly not elite anymore. The risk is MUCH GREATER for a MUCH LOWER reward. That is why I understand why the original accepted terms were no longer acceptable to Berto.

UBeeg9cats wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

UBeeg9cats wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

I don't think there is any validity to the original injury at this point. I think the whole thing was bullshit at this point. He was medically cleared less than 24 hours after the punch. After the talk of the two not wanting to fight each other I think this is about as real as Berto needing to cancel a fight because of the earthquake.

+1

I know I'm more of a Berto fan than most but 8 family members dying with more missing is not reason enough to cancel a fight? Is there any reason legit enough for you guys?

Look I don't know the circumstance of how close he was to them or not but the entire thing stunk as far as who and what members were lost. The pics of him down there and accompanying video looked like more of a goodwill mission not someone frantically looking for extended family members and cousins that grew up in a different country. Just like the Dirrell thing there were problems in his camp before the fight etc then the perfect scenario for a Hatian American looking for an out came along. HBO's more than generous salary further points to Berto abandoning the fight. Berto received 1.25 million for a fight with Quintana and will receive approximately the same for Freddy Hernandez. Berto has not made any attmpt to step up in class since the earthquake which makes it even more evident that Shane was out of his league and he and his management found an out. Berto can make roughly 2.5 or more million dollars a year fighting mediocre competition and keep his belt and record in tact instead of taking on the toughest challenge and possibly lose the belt and the donut. All these things combine makes his earthquake story very fishy.

It was 8 cousins and his half sister and her family were missing for days without a means of communication. He wasn't close to the cousins but you think maybe just maybe his parents or grandparents might've have been severely affected and he might need to attend to them? I do not think Berto wanted to go through all the training for a fight and not get the career high payday and accolades that may have come with it. Maybe you can provide a link because I heard nothing but great things about his camp (like all camps). He tried to make fights with SSM and Cotto after the Quintana fight. I understand everyone thought his demands were ridiculous but most people should realize how much less of a win SSM would've been the 2nd time around. If he beats SSM in January, he is the #1 ranked WW with unified titles and a surefire date with Money or Manny. If he loses, he lost to a HOF that still has it. If he wins later in the year, he is picking on a faded fighter that is Money's leftovers. If he loses, he lost to a faded fighter that is clearly not elite anymore. The risk is MUCH GREATER for a MUCH LOWER reward. That is why I understand why the original accepted terms were no longer acceptable to Berto.

Freddy Hernandez. That's all I'll say.

Thanks for waving the white flag with no counter argument. Of course Freddy Hernandez is an awful, awful choice but it is better to take a weak fight on an undercard than not fight IMO and WW is not as deep as some people make it out to be. Who was he gonna face? Money and Pac are nowhere to be seen. Collazo, Clottey, Cotto, and SSM moved up in weight. Alvarado is in prision. Are you telling me that Zaveck, Brook, Senchenko, Aydin(who also refused), Bailey, or Jones(busy) are on such a different level than Hernandez? I just don't see it personally but to each their own.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Freddy Hernandez. That's all I'll say.

I'd like to add Al Haymon and Berto out-pricing himself for Mosley & Cotto

UBeeg9cats wrote:

Thanks for waving the white flag with no counter argument. Of course Freddy Hernandez is an awful, awful choice but it is better to take a weak fight on an undercard than not fight IMO and WW is not as deep as some people make it out to be. Who was he gonna face? Money and Pac are nowhere to be seen. Collazo, Clottey, Cotto, and SSM moved up in weight. Alvarado is in prision. Are you telling me that Zaveck, Brook, Senchenko, Aydin(who also refused), Bailey, or Jones(busy) are on such a different level than Hernandez? I just don't see it personally but to each their own.

Lou DiBella promotes Berto and also has Randall Bailey and Kermit Cintron in his stable

those two are FAR better challenges than any name you threw out there

Al Haymon client's want the MOST $$$ for the least possible challenge

I dunno guys, faking an injury is one thing. But if you were going to do that would you really go with "headaches and dizziness" and concerns about the fighter being neurologically compromised? In THIS day and age and the recent concern about brain trauma? Is that really what you'd pick knowing that would push states like Nevada's buttons regarding a license?

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I dunno guys, faking an injury is one thing. But if you were going to do that would you really go with "headaches and dizziness" and concerns about the fighter being neurologically compromised? In THIS day and age and the recent concern about brain trauma? Is that really what you'd pick knowing that would push states like Nevada's buttons regarding a license?

We're talking about boxing, not the NFL

I mean Margarito was almost licensed there in NV, Holyfield just fought there this year!

I think they go 3 months symptoms free and he's back in the ring in 2011

Like HB24 pointed out, he was cleared same night he received the King's cheap shot -- http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/3/28/1394059/andre-dirrell-out-of-the-hospital

Quote :

"Andre was just released from the hospital. He tested negative in the brain scans. We did the urine tests. The commission was there," [promoter Gary] Shaw told BoxingScene.com.

gomez1012 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I dunno guys, faking an injury is one thing. But if you were going to do that would you really go with "headaches and dizziness" and concerns about the fighter being neurologically compromised? In THIS day and age and the recent concern about brain trauma? Is that really what you'd pick knowing that would push states like Nevada's buttons regarding a license?

We're talking about boxing, not the NFL

I mean Margarito was almost licensed there in NV, Holyfield just fought there this year!

I think they go 3 months symptoms free and he's back in the ring in 2011

Like HB24 pointed out, he was cleared same night he received the King's cheap shot -- http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/3/28/1394059/andre-dirrell-out-of-the-hospital

Quote :

"Andre was just released from the hospital. He tested negative in the brain scans. We did the urine tests. The commission was there," [promoter Gary] Shaw told BoxingScene.com.

Fair enough but (I'm neither a doctor nor do I play one on tv) my understanding is concussive injuries are cumulative and take time (sometimes) to display symptoms. Plus Nevada has denied guys liocenses based on stuff like this. Terry Norris for one IIRC. Why choose this route rather than the old back injury?

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Fair enough but (I'm neither a doctor nor do I play one on tv) my understanding is concussive injuries are cumulative and take time (sometimes) to display symptoms. Plus Nevada has denied guys liocenses based on stuff like this. Terry Norris for one IIRC. Why choose this route rather than the old back injury?

Regarding the NSAC, why worry about it when you can go to Texas/Michigan or some other state and get a license?

I wouldnt go this route, but as his trainer/manager/promoter, isnt it convenient as hell to have this as an excuse/reason?

Makes it that much more believable for the public, he's still suffering from a punch he received back in March!

His worried Uncle in an interview

Quote :

What message do you have for anyone who may believe that Andre's injuries are not genuine?

Just go take a look at the last fight and look at the punch that he was hit with and you can see that that punch was deliberate. Andre was not looking for it nor was he expecting it. The man was defenseless. He never saw the punch coming.

It's like being in a car accident, really. We just want the fans to know that we will be back when Andre is 100 percent. We thank everybody for sticking buy us as fans, and for everything. We wish everybody the best among the guys who are still in the Super Six tournament.

The final thing, again, that we want to say about his career is that he will be back. We don't know how soon, and that's what we all have our fingers crossed about. We hope that it's sooner rather than later. He's not lost his mind or anything.

There are just some things that we are concerned about and that's why we have gone and had him looked at.
So, it's nothing to be super-alarmed about. There are few things about his behavior that just aren't the same.

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/10/07/trainer-andre-dirrell-experiences-headaches-and-dizziness/

gomez1012 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Fair enough but (I'm neither a doctor nor do I play one on tv) my understanding is concussive injuries are cumulative and take time (sometimes) to display symptoms. Plus Nevada has denied guys liocenses based on stuff like this. Terry Norris for one IIRC. Why choose this route rather than the old back injury?

Regarding the NSAC, why worry about it when you can go to Texas/Michigan or some other state and get a license?

I wouldnt go this route, but as his trainer/manager/promoter, isnt it convenient as hell to have this as an excuse/reason?

Makes it that much more believable for the public, he's still suffering from a punch he received back in March!

His worried Uncle in an interview

Quote :

What message do you have for anyone who may believe that Andre's injuries are not genuine?

Just go take a look at the last fight and look at the punch that he was hit with and you can see that that punch was deliberate. Andre was not looking for it nor was he expecting it. The man was defenseless. He never saw the punch coming.

It's like being in a car accident, really. We just want the fans to know that we will be back when Andre is 100 percent. We thank everybody for sticking buy us as fans, and for everything. We wish everybody the best among the guys who are still in the Super Six tournament.

The final thing, again, that we want to say about his career is that he will be back. We don't know how soon, and that's what we all have our fingers crossed about. We hope that it's sooner rather than later. He's not lost his mind or anything.

There are just some things that we are concerned about and that's why we have gone and had him looked at.
So, it's nothing to be super-alarmed about. There are few things about his behavior that just aren't the same.

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/10/07/trainer-andre-dirrell-experiences-headaches-and-dizziness/

See I don't think any ONE punch does stuff like this. But I hear ya and I guess we'll see. If it really is a neurological issue my expectation would be we don't see him for a year.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

See I don't think any ONE punch does stuff like this. But I hear ya and I guess we'll see. If it really is a neurological issue my expectation would be we don't see him for a year.

+1

Why I think Dirrell's team are running with this, they keep throwing out 3 months symptom free and he's good to go, my guess, he's back in the Spring/Summer of 2011

It seems awful fishy, I mean why are we suddenly finding out about this now ??

Steve Kim on this, all signs point to Al Haymon

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/no-more-mr-nice-guy

Quote :

One well-informed source told me shortly after I left the conference call (which was after Rafael asked all the questions that needed to be broached) that from the very beginning, there was never a single, legitimate attempt to ever have this fight come to fruition from those involved and that the ever-influential adviser Al Haymon (who reps Dirrell) and Goossen (who shares a cozy relationship with Haymon because of their associations with Paul Williams and Chris Arreola) worked in concert together in this instance.

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...this is where Hershman has to step up and be heard. This innovative format was his brainchild and he put his heart and soul into making this work. But what do they say about no good deed going unpunished? If I’m Showtime, I hold everybody as legally accountable as possible in relation to their contractual obligations they signed on to. Also, I get out of the Haymon business; he has already damaged HBO’s boxing program with high-price, non-competitive bouts (the most recent example: the network shelling out a $1.25 million licensing fee from the Berto-Hernandez bout). It’s cringe-worthy to see Haymon’s tail now wag Showtime’s dog (Antonio Tarver on “ShoBox” as a heavyweight? Really?).

Man, WTF does Haymon do/know that he can get Tarver on ShoBox!!?!?!?!?!?

Tarver being on Shobox doesn't bother me, it's just the networks way of thanking him for doing an excellent job with his commentating.

Ali wrote:

Tarver being on Shobox doesn't bother me, it's just the networks way of thanking him for doing an excellent job with his commentating.

LOL yea right