Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today

powerpuncher wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO

Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Bradley by a killer by decision

Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Alexander By Brutal Knock Out

Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision, but Maidana by drop him a few times

Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz =Ortiz by Epic Knock Out (under 4 rounds)

Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision

This is all with Prime Hatton at 140, but comeback Hatton losses to all of them, 5 of them by KO and 1 by UD.

You're a maniac. All of the above fighters are largely unproven. Bradley's best wins are an old Witter and Kendall Holt who looked like shit in his last fight and doesn't seem to take the too seriously.

Alexander beat an older Witter and Urango for his best and looked suspect against Kotelnik. Hatton already beat an undefeated Urango.

Maidana lost to Kotelnik. Totally suspect skills but big punch.

Khan's best win was against a guy that Hatton already stopped.

Ortiz would cry rape and quit before the final bell.

Kotelnik would be punished inside and raped as well.

besides Bradley, Maidana and Kotlnik, all the other fighters are babies and would still crush hatton.

What the hell didnt Hatton Ever do at 140? beat old Tszyu (with the Refs help), Pualie, and Urango. Collazo whooped his ass and Feather Fisted Flomo knocked him out. How the hell can Flomo KO? not even lightweight Marquez. Hatton the 2nd weakest Lineal champ of last decade behind Baldi. That China chin of his wouldnt get him far in this division. Coming Foward without that Jab, he would be out cold before he knew it.

you are giving hatton no credit for what he did. im not saying that he was the best fighter but no way that he was the second worst lineal champ in the last decade. even though his competition wasnt the best at 140, he still had a couple of solid wins. his wins actually proved that he was a top fighter. he was a top p4p fighter. tell me what khan, bradley, alexander, or ortiz have done in their careers thus far to show that they are on the same level as hatton. even the tyszu that hatton beat would have KO'd every single one of these fighters.

That Tszyu fight was complete BS. The Ref let Hatton get away with murder. That fight would have been different had it been any here else. And No I dont give hatton credit for rulling a weak division. I cant name any worse lineal champ then Hatton and Baldi. Can you? China Chin Hatton doesnt make it with any punchers.

Diego408 wrote:

kbyte wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO

Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Bradley by a killer by decision

Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Alexander By Brutal Knock Out

Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision, but Maidana by drop him a few times

Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz =Ortiz by Epic Knock Out (under 4 rounds)

Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision

This is all with Prime Hatton at 140, but comeback Hatton losses to all of them, 5 of them by KO and 1 by UD.

You're a maniac. All of the above fighters are largely unproven. Bradley's best wins are an old Witter and Kendall Holt who looked like shit in his last fight and doesn't seem to take the too seriously.

Alexander beat an older Witter and Urango for his best and looked suspect against Kotelnik. Hatton already beat an undefeated Urango.

Maidana lost to Kotelnik. Totally suspect skills but big punch.

Khan's best win was against a guy that Hatton already stopped.

Ortiz would cry rape and quit before the final bell.

Kotelnik would be punished inside and raped as well.

besides Bradley, Maidana and Kotlnik, all the other fighters are babies and would still crush hatton.

What the hell didnt Hatton Ever do at 140? beat old Tszyu (with the Refs help), Pualie, and Urango. Collazo whooped his ass and Feather Fisted Flomo knocked him out. How the hell can Flomo KO? not even lightweight Marquez. Hatton the 2nd weakest Lineal champ of last decade behind Baldi. That China chin of his wouldnt get him far in this division. Coming Foward without that Jab, he would be out cold before he knew it.

I think its fine if you feel he lost to Collazo but don't act like that wasn't a very close fight.

Yeah i think we've been through this beofre. It was close in the begging of the fight, in the second half Caollazo pulled away and took the fight. even dropping Hatton in the process, but being ruled a KD. Funny because Hatton was really shaken up by a feather fisted Collazo.

Hatton ruled in a weak division, this division isnt so weak anymore.

lol yeah I remember going through this with you before and I can tell by the bolded line that your just trying to get a rise out of me. I remember not admitting it before but yeah you're right Hatton's chin is poor and it wasn't helped by his face first style.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO

Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Bradley by a killer by decision

Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Alexander By Brutal Knock Out

Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision, but Maidana by drop him a few times

Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz =Ortiz by Epic Knock Out (under 4 rounds)

Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision

This is all with Prime Hatton at 140, but comeback Hatton losses to all of them, 5 of them by KO and 1 by UD.

You're a maniac. All of the above fighters are largely unproven. Bradley's best wins are an old Witter and Kendall Holt who looked like shit in his last fight and doesn't seem to take the too seriously.

Alexander beat an older Witter and Urango for his best and looked suspect against Kotelnik. Hatton already beat an undefeated Urango.

Maidana lost to Kotelnik. Totally suspect skills but big punch.

Khan's best win was against a guy that Hatton already stopped.

Ortiz would cry rape and quit before the final bell.

Kotelnik would be punished inside and raped as well.

besides Bradley, Maidana and Kotlnik, all the other fighters are babies and would still crush hatton.

What the hell didnt Hatton Ever do at 140? beat old Tszyu (with the Refs help), Pualie, and Urango. Collazo whooped his ass and Feather Fisted Flomo knocked him out. How the hell can Flomo KO? not even lightweight Marquez. Hatton the 2nd weakest Lineal champ of last decade behind Baldi. That China chin of his wouldnt get him far in this division. Coming Foward without that Jab, he would be out cold before he knew it.

Both at '47. I had him beating Collazo. He scored a KD which gave him a two point swing. Hatton beat everyone that he faced with the exception of Witter at '40. Floyd is not feather fisted and caught the guy with a great shot. What have the other men done. I already posted Hatton's best wins against ranked fighters. None of the others have a resume that comes close.

No ones resume comes close YET because all these fighters are young guns with great talent, something Hatton doesnt have. He ducked the shit out of Witter and Bradley beat him in his own back yard.

[/quote] besides Bradley, Maidana and Kotlnik, all the other fighters are babies and would still crush hatton.

What the hell didnt Hatton Ever do at 140? beat old Tszyu (with the Refs help), Pualie, and Urango. Collazo whooped his ass and Feather Fisted Flomo knocked him out. How the hell can Flomo KO? not even lightweight Marquez. Hatton the 2nd weakest Lineal champ of last decade behind Baldi. That China chin of his wouldnt get him far in this division. Coming Foward without that Jab, he would be out cold before he knew it.[/quote]you are giving hatton no credit for what he did. im not saying that he was the best fighter but no way that he was the second worst lineal champ in the last decade. even though his competition wasnt the best at 140, he still had a couple of solid wins. his wins actually proved that he was a top fighter. he was a top p4p fighter. tell me what khan, bradley, alexander, or ortiz have done in their careers thus far to show that they are on the same level as hatton. even the tyszu that hatton beat would have KO'd every single one of these fighters.[/quote] That Tszyu fight was complete BS. The Ref let Hatton get away with murder. That fight would have been different had it been any here else. And No I dont give hatton credit for rulling a weak division. I cant name any worse lineal champ then Hatton and Baldi. Can you? China Chin Hatton doesnt make it with any punchers.[/quote]

Who is a puncher in the division besides Maidana?

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

besides Bradley, Maidana and Kotlnik, all the other fighters are babies and would still crush hatton.

What the hell didnt Hatton Ever do at 140? beat old Tszyu (with the Refs help), Pualie, and Urango. Collazo whooped his ass and Feather Fisted Flomo knocked him out. How the hell can Flomo KO? not even lightweight Marquez. Hatton the 2nd weakest Lineal champ of last decade behind Baldi. That China chin of his wouldnt get him far in this division. Coming Foward without that Jab, he would be out cold before he knew it.[/quote]you are giving hatton no credit for what he did. im not saying that he was the best fighter but no way that he was the second worst lineal champ in the last decade. even though his competition wasnt the best at 140, he still had a couple of solid wins. his wins actually proved that he was a top fighter. he was a top p4p fighter. tell me what khan, bradley, alexander, or ortiz have done in their careers thus far to show that they are on the same level as hatton. even the tyszu that hatton beat would have KO'd every single one of these fighters.[/quote] That Tszyu fight was complete BS. The Ref let Hatton get away with murder. That fight would have been different had it been any here else. And No I dont give hatton credit for rulling a weak division. I cant name any worse lineal champ then Hatton and Baldi. Can you? China Chin Hatton doesnt make it with any punchers.[/quote]

Who is a puncher in the division besides Maidana?[/quote] Ortiz is a puncher, Maidana is a puncher, Khan is a puncher and so is Alexander.

[/quote] No ones resume comes close YET because all these fighters are young guns with great talent, something Hatton doesnt have. He ducked the shit out of Witter and Bradley beat him in his own back yard.[/quote]

Witter is older than Hatton. Witter was never clamoring for the fight. Hatton fought Pac, Floyd, Tszyu why the fuck would he duck Witter? Hypothetical decisions get no burn. Hatton fought the fights and thats where I draw my comparison. NONE of these guys has the resume to compare to Hatton's yet, so as of now they are not at his level.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

No ones resume comes close YET because all these fighters are young guns with great talent, something Hatton doesnt have. He ducked the shit out of Witter and Bradley beat him in his own back yard.[/quote]

Witter is older than Hatton. Witter was never clamoring for the fight. Hatton fought Pac, Floyd, Tszyu why the fuck would he duck Witter? Hypothetical decisions get no burn. Hatton fought the fights and thats where I draw my comparison. NONE of these guys has the resume to compare to Hatton's yet, so as of now they are not at his level. [/quote] just because the guy has a great resume doesnt mean anything if he isnt winning the fights.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

No ones resume comes close YET because all these fighters are young guns with great talent, something Hatton doesnt have. He ducked the shit out of Witter and Bradley beat him in his own back yard.[/quote]

Witter is older than Hatton. Witter was never clamoring for the fight. Hatton fought Pac, Floyd, Tszyu why the fuck would he duck Witter? Hypothetical decisions get no burn. Hatton fought the fights and thats where I draw my comparison. NONE of these guys has the resume to compare to Hatton's yet, so as of now they are not at his level. [/quote]
In fairness the Witter fight would have been big in the UK and Witter wanted it badly but Hatton just never gave it to him because he hated him I think. I could be wrong but I think that was the reason.

Dude if all you guys dont believe me about Hatton being overrated, just ask Miguel Cotto about it, He'll tell you also.

Diego408 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

besides Bradley, Maidana and Kotlnik, all the other fighters are babies and would still crush hatton.

What the hell didnt Hatton Ever do at 140? beat old Tszyu (with the Refs help), Pualie, and Urango. Collazo whooped his ass and Feather Fisted Flomo knocked him out. How the hell can Flomo KO? not even lightweight Marquez. Hatton the 2nd weakest Lineal champ of last decade behind Baldi. That China chin of his wouldnt get him far in this division. Coming Foward without that Jab, he would be out cold before he knew it.

you are giving hatton no credit for what he did. im not saying that he was the best fighter but no way that he was the second worst lineal champ in the last decade. even though his competition wasnt the best at 140, he still had a couple of solid wins. his wins actually proved that he was a top fighter. he was a top p4p fighter. tell me what khan, bradley, alexander, or ortiz have done in their careers thus far to show that they are on the same level as hatton. even the tyszu that hatton beat would have KO'd every single one of these fighters.[/quote] That Tszyu fight was complete BS. The Ref let Hatton get away with murder. That fight would have been different had it been any here else. And No I dont give hatton credit for rulling a weak division. I cant name any worse lineal champ then Hatton and Baldi. Can you? China Chin Hatton doesnt make it with any punchers.[/quote]

Who is a puncher in the division besides Maidana?[/quote] Ortiz is a puncher, Maidana is a puncher, Khan is a puncher and so is Alexander. [/quote]

I said Maidana. None of the others you mentioned save for Alexander (who has one big KO) has KO'd anyone of note. Their resumes are too unproven to currently make the comparison. Hatton has a career 68 percent KO record over the course of 47 fights.

Bradley- 40% 27 fights
Khan-70%- 24 fights
Ortiz 70% -28 fights
Alexander 61% -21 fights
Maidana-90% 29 fights

With their inexperience this shows that Maidana is the only real puncher of the top guys in the division. Not enough fights against top competition for us to gauge who is a big puncher yet.

Just a comparison, with 41 fights and known hand problems Mayweather KO's opponents at a 60% rate. You seem to have a loose definition of what a big puncher is.

Diego408 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

No ones resume comes close YET because all these fighters are young guns with great talent, something Hatton doesnt have. He ducked the shit out of Witter and Bradley beat him in his own back yard.

Witter is older than Hatton. Witter was never clamoring for the fight. Hatton fought Pac, Floyd, Tszyu why the fuck would he duck Witter? Hypothetical decisions get no burn. Hatton fought the fights and thats where I draw my comparison. NONE of these guys has the resume to compare to Hatton's yet, so as of now they are not at his level.

[/quote] just because the guy has a great resume doesnt mean anything if he isnt winning the fights.[/quote]

But he did win big fights. I just proved that to you.

Diego408 wrote:

Dude if all you guys dont believe me about Hatton being overrated, just ask Miguel Cotto about it, He'll tell you also.

Don't believe you? Its a matter of opinion. I don't think anyone's overrating him now anyway. Everybody seems to think he was a good, solid fighter and champion. No ones calling him great or anything.

Diego408 wrote:

Dude if all you guys dont believe me about Hatton being overrated, just ask Miguel Cotto about it, He'll tell you also.

I don't get it. Are you saying Cotto is overrated too? What is your definition, or should I say what fighter is properly rated?

You wanna go to the records now? aight from all the known names from Hattons resume, lets check who he knocked out. Paulie, Flomo, Pacquaio, Tackie, Phillips, Urango, Lazcano, Castillo, Tszyu. He knocked out 2 old gus and Buddie McGirt threw the towel in the 11th in the Paulie fight in a fight where he was dominating but Paulie was in no trouble at the time of the stoppage. Hatton is not a big puncher himself, having either gone the distances with named fighters or he being knocked out himself.

Saying Ortiz is not a puncher is redicules. Khan is a puncher also, hes only went the distance once since moving to the States to train with Roach. Alexander may not have the punching abilty those others have, but for his credit he stopped Witter and urango, guy who have never been stopped before. But I would agree hes not a puncher, but he would still have the ability to KO hatton because he has pop. ortiz, Khan and Maidana are puncher no doubt.

Floyd isnt a puncher at 147 and up if you didnt notice. Hes only been able to KO Hatton since he move up with the big boys.

and No Hatton didnt win big fights

Kbyte- yeah Im saying he was overrated, he was a british hype job. I mean people dont give Wlad any credit for ruling a weak division. I agree Now people are saying hes solid and a good champ, but Im saying these young are very good.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

Dude if all you guys dont believe me about Hatton being overrated, just ask Miguel Cotto about it, He'll tell you also.

I don't get it. Are you saying Cotto is overrated too? What is your definition, or should I say what fighter is properly rated?

How did I imply Cotto was overrated? I was reffering to how Cotto would go off saying hatton was overrated every time he talked about him. Definition of overrated to me is peole holding to much stalk in a fight who isnt all that good. hatton was an overachiver. Frank Warren built him up by protecting him for several years.people Consider guys like Chavez, hopkins, Toney, jones All TIme Greats. The the like of Cotto, DLH, Castillo, and Corrales very good. Then you have Hatton, just a solid fighter whose just good and thats it.

Diego408 wrote:

You wanna go to the records now? aight from all the known names from Hattons resume, lets check who he knocked out. Paulie, Flomo, Pacquaio, Tackie, Phillips, Urango, Lazcano, Castillo, Tszyu. He knocked out 2 old gus and Buddie McGirt threw the towel in the 11th in the Paulie fight in a fight where he was dominating but Paulie was in no trouble at the time of the stoppage. Hatton is not a big puncher himself, having either gone the distances with named fighters or he being knocked out himself.

Saying Ortiz is not a puncher is redicules. Khan is a puncher also, hes only went the distance once since moving to the States to train with Roach. Alexander may not have the punching abilty those others have, but for his credit he stopped Witter and urango, guy who have never been stopped before. But I would agree hes not a puncher, but he would still have the ability to KO hatton because he has pop. ortiz, Khan and Maidana are puncher no doubt.

Floyd isnt a puncher at 147 and up if you didnt notice. Hes only been able to KO Hatton since he move up with the big boys.

and No Hatton didnt win big fights

Kbyte- yeah Im saying he was overrated, he was a british hype job. I mean people dont give Wlad any credit for ruling a weak division. I agree Now people are saying hes solid and a good champ, but Im saying these young are very good.

Yes he did win big fights. I just proved to you with percentage facts that these guys with the competition they have faced are not great punchers or have not yet proven themselves to be. Hatton with a better resume and 18 more fights than the next closest guy has a relative same KO percentage around 69%. We're talking about 140 lb fighters. Floyd ko'd both fighters in his 140 lb career and Sharmba Mitchell moving up to Welter. You called him feather fisted (Floyd) I proved you wrong on that as well according to your standards. Your standards and criticisms are biased and only apply to fighters you either like or dislike.

Diego408 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

Dude if all you guys dont believe me about Hatton being overrated, just ask Miguel Cotto about it, He'll tell you also.

I don't get it. Are you saying Cotto is overrated too? What is your definition, or should I say what fighter is properly rated?

How did I imply Cotto was overrated? I was reffering to how Cotto would go off saying hatton was overrated every time he talked about him. Definition of overrated to me is peole holding to much stalk in a fight who isnt all that good. hatton was an overachiver. Frank Warren built him up by protecting him for several years.people Consider guys like Chavez, hopkins, Toney, jones All TIme Greats. The the like of Cotto, DLH, Castillo, and Corrales very good. Then you have Hatton, just a solid fighter whose just good and thats it.

I didn't know what you meant, thanks for the clarification. I never said Hatton was an ATG. I just think up to now at this point the previously mentioned guys haven't done enough in the division to g\be considered better than a prime pre world wide fame Ricky Hatton.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

You wanna go to the records now? aight from all the known names from Hattons resume, lets check who he knocked out. Paulie, Flomo, Pacquaio, Tackie, Phillips, Urango, Lazcano, Castillo, Tszyu. He knocked out 2 old gus and Buddie McGirt threw the towel in the 11th in the Paulie fight in a fight where he was dominating but Paulie was in no trouble at the time of the stoppage. Hatton is not a big puncher himself, having either gone the distances with named fighters or he being knocked out himself.

Saying Ortiz is not a puncher is redicules. Khan is a puncher also, hes only went the distance once since moving to the States to train with Roach. Alexander may not have the punching abilty those others have, but for his credit he stopped Witter and urango, guy who have never been stopped before. But I would agree hes not a puncher, but he would still have the ability to KO hatton because he has pop. ortiz, Khan and Maidana are puncher no doubt.

Floyd isnt a puncher at 147 and up if you didnt notice. Hes only been able to KO Hatton since he move up with the big boys.

and No Hatton didnt win big fights

Kbyte- yeah Im saying he was overrated, he was a british hype job. I mean people dont give Wlad any credit for ruling a weak division. I agree Now people are saying hes solid and a good champ, but Im saying these young are very good.

Yes he did win big fights. I just proved to you with percentage facts that these guys with the competition they have faced are not great punchers or have not yet proven themselves to be. Hatton with a better resume and 18 more fights than the next closest guy has a relative same KO percentage around 69%. We're talking about 140 lb fighters. Floyd ko'd both fighters in his 140 lb career and Sharmba Mitchell moving up to Welter. You called him feather fisted (Floyd) I proved you wrong on that as well according to your standards. Your standards and criticisms are biased and only apply to fighters you either like or dislike.

Youre worng, theres No Bias here, the only fighter out of the 140 group that I like is Alexander. Flomo has KOed every 140 pounder/career 140 pounder, he has faced i think. Floyd was a puncher at one point, yes but with moving up weight classes that certainly change. Adamek was a puncher at 175 and at Cruiser, would you call him a puncher at HW? yeah i dont think so. Punchers are seen by the way they fight, Rotiz, Maidana and Khan hit pretty darn hard, so yes Ic onsider them Punchers. Hatton beat no one good, meaning he hasnt won any big fights. take into account Castillo and Tszyu old, Paulie, Urango mediocre. Thats his best resume wins.

Diego408 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

You wanna go to the records now? aight from all the known names from Hattons resume, lets check who he knocked out. Paulie, Flomo, Pacquaio, Tackie, Phillips, Urango, Lazcano, Castillo, Tszyu. He knocked out 2 old gus and Buddie McGirt threw the towel in the 11th in the Paulie fight in a fight where he was dominating but Paulie was in no trouble at the time of the stoppage. Hatton is not a big puncher himself, having either gone the distances with named fighters or he being knocked out himself.

Saying Ortiz is not a puncher is redicules. Khan is a puncher also, hes only went the distance once since moving to the States to train with Roach. Alexander may not have the punching abilty those others have, but for his credit he stopped Witter and urango, guy who have never been stopped before. But I would agree hes not a puncher, but he would still have the ability to KO hatton because he has pop. ortiz, Khan and Maidana are puncher no doubt.

Floyd isnt a puncher at 147 and up if you didnt notice. Hes only been able to KO Hatton since he move up with the big boys.

and No Hatton didnt win big fights

Kbyte- yeah Im saying he was overrated, he was a british hype job. I mean people dont give Wlad any credit for ruling a weak division. I agree Now people are saying hes solid and a good champ, but Im saying these young are very good.

Yes he did win big fights. I just proved to you with percentage facts that these guys with the competition they have faced are not great punchers or have not yet proven themselves to be. Hatton with a better resume and 18 more fights than the next closest guy has a relative same KO percentage around 69%. We're talking about 140 lb fighters. Floyd ko'd both fighters in his 140 lb career and Sharmba Mitchell moving up to Welter. You called him feather fisted (Floyd) I proved you wrong on that as well according to your standards. Your standards and criticisms are biased and only apply to fighters you either like or dislike.

Youre worng, theres No Bias here, the only fighter out of the 140 group that I like is Alexander. Flomo has KOed every 140 pounder/career 140 pounder, he has faced i think. Floyd was a puncher at one point, yes but with moving up weight classes that certainly change. Adamek was a puncher at 175 and at Cruiser, would you call him a puncher at HW? yeah i dont think so. Punchers are seen by the way they fight, Rotiz, Maidana and Khan hit pretty darn hard, so yes Ic onsider them Punchers. Hatton beat no one good, meaning he hasnt won any big fights. take into account Castillo and Tszyu old, Paulie, Urango mediocre. Thats his best resume wins.

And I already showed you that the young guns you're mentioning are beating either prospects or old guys like Witter. Or guys that hatton already beat.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

Dude if all you guys dont believe me about Hatton being overrated, just ask Miguel Cotto about it, He'll tell you also.

I don't get it. Are you saying Cotto is overrated too? What is your definition, or should I say what fighter is properly rated?

How did I imply Cotto was overrated? I was reffering to how Cotto would go off saying hatton was overrated every time he talked about him. Definition of overrated to me is peole holding to much stalk in a fight who isnt all that good. hatton was an overachiver. Frank Warren built him up by protecting him for several years.people Consider guys like Chavez, hopkins, Toney, jones All TIme Greats. The the like of Cotto, DLH, Castillo, and Corrales very good. Then you have Hatton, just a solid fighter whose just good and thats it.

I didn't know what you meant, thanks for the clarification. I never said Hatton was an ATG. I just think up to now at this point the previously mentioned guys haven't done enough in the division to g\be considered better than a prime pre world wide fame Ricky Hatton.

Well of course Ricky who has called it a career would be a lot more accomplised at this point then guys in their early 20s and one of them in their mid 20s. (dont count Maidana because he isnt very good). With Khans, Ortiz, Alexanders, and Braelys talen, they have the abilty tobe a lot more accomplished by the end of their career then Hatton (maybe 2 of them will have better careers).

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

You wanna go to the records now? aight from all the known names from Hattons resume, lets check who he knocked out. Paulie, Flomo, Pacquaio, Tackie, Phillips, Urango, Lazcano, Castillo, Tszyu. He knocked out 2 old gus and Buddie McGirt threw the towel in the 11th in the Paulie fight in a fight where he was dominating but Paulie was in no trouble at the time of the stoppage. Hatton is not a big puncher himself, having either gone the distances with named fighters or he being knocked out himself.

Saying Ortiz is not a puncher is redicules. Khan is a puncher also, hes only went the distance once since moving to the States to train with Roach. Alexander may not have the punching abilty those others have, but for his credit he stopped Witter and urango, guy who have never been stopped before. But I would agree hes not a puncher, but he would still have the ability to KO hatton because he has pop. ortiz, Khan and Maidana are puncher no doubt.

Floyd isnt a puncher at 147 and up if you didnt notice. Hes only been able to KO Hatton since he move up with the big boys.

and No Hatton didnt win big fights

Kbyte- yeah Im saying he was overrated, he was a british hype job. I mean people dont give Wlad any credit for ruling a weak division. I agree Now people are saying hes solid and a good champ, but Im saying these young are very good.

Yes he did win big fights. I just proved to you with percentage facts that these guys with the competition they have faced are not great punchers or have not yet proven themselves to be. Hatton with a better resume and 18 more fights than the next closest guy has a relative same KO percentage around 69%. We're talking about 140 lb fighters. Floyd ko'd both fighters in his 140 lb career and Sharmba Mitchell moving up to Welter. You called him feather fisted (Floyd) I proved you wrong on that as well according to your standards. Your standards and criticisms are biased and only apply to fighters you either like or dislike.

Youre worng, theres No Bias here, the only fighter out of the 140 group that I like is Alexander. Flomo has KOed every 140 pounder/career 140 pounder, he has faced i think. Floyd was a puncher at one point, yes but with moving up weight classes that certainly change. Adamek was a puncher at 175 and at Cruiser, would you call him a puncher at HW? yeah i dont think so. Punchers are seen by the way they fight, Rotiz, Maidana and Khan hit pretty darn hard, so yes Ic onsider them Punchers. Hatton beat no one good, meaning he hasnt won any big fights. take into account Castillo and Tszyu old, Paulie, Urango mediocre. Thats his best resume wins.

And I already showed you that the young guns you're mentioning are beating either prospects or old guys like Witter. Or guys that hatton already beat.

and they've done it very impressively. Witter was not old vs Bradley and Urango was not old vs Alexander. Khan is the only man to beatKotlnik convincinly. Like I said, at this point, I'd take all these talent kids over prime Hatton any day of the weak.

Diego408 wrote:

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Dude if all you guys dont believe me about Hatton being overrated, just ask Miguel Cotto about it, He'll tell you also.

I don't get it. Are you saying Cotto is overrated too? What is your definition, or should I say what fighter is properly rated?

How did I imply Cotto was overrated? I was reffering to how Cotto would go off saying hatton was overrated every time he talked about him. Definition of overrated to me is peole holding to much stalk in a fight who isnt all that good. hatton was an overachiver. Frank Warren built him up by protecting him for several years.people Consider guys like Chavez, hopkins, Toney, jones All TIme Greats. The the like of Cotto, DLH, Castillo, and Corrales very good. Then you have Hatton, just a solid fighter whose just good and thats it.

I didn't know what you meant, thanks for the clarification. I never said Hatton was an ATG. I just think up to now at this point the previously mentioned guys haven't done enough in the division to g\be considered better than a prime pre world wide fame Ricky Hatton.

Well of course Ricky who has called it a career would be a lot more accomplised at this point then guys in their early 20s and one of them in their mid 20s. (dont count Maidana because he isnt very good). With Khans, Ortiz, Alexanders, and Braelys talen, they have the abilty tobe a lot more accomplished by the end of their career then Hatton (maybe 2 of them will have better careers).

From my earlier post on page one:

"Urango, Malignaggi, Tszyu, Tackie, Collazo, Maussa and Castillo. So far that's a better resume than anyone of the current guys has. "

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You wanna go to the records now? aight from all the known names from Hattons resume, lets check who he knocked out. Paulie, Flomo, Pacquaio, Tackie, Phillips, Urango, Lazcano, Castillo, Tszyu. He knocked out 2 old gus and Buddie McGirt threw the towel in the 11th in the Paulie fight in a fight where he was dominating but Paulie was in no trouble at the time of the stoppage. Hatton is not a big puncher himself, having either gone the distances with named fighters or he being knocked out himself.

Saying Ortiz is not a puncher is redicules. Khan is a puncher also, hes only went the distance once since moving to the States to train with Roach. Alexander may not have the punching abilty those others have, but for his credit he stopped Witter and urango, guy who have never been stopped before. But I would agree hes not a puncher, but he would still have the ability to KO hatton because he has pop. ortiz, Khan and Maidana are puncher no doubt.

Floyd isnt a puncher at 147 and up if you didnt notice. Hes only been able to KO Hatton since he move up with the big boys.

and No Hatton didnt win big fights

Kbyte- yeah Im saying he was overrated, he was a british hype job. I mean people dont give Wlad any credit for ruling a weak division. I agree Now people are saying hes solid and a good champ, but Im saying these young are very good.

Yes he did win big fights. I just proved to you with percentage facts that these guys with the competition they have faced are not great punchers or have not yet proven themselves to be. Hatton with a better resume and 18 more fights than the next closest guy has a relative same KO percentage around 69%. We're talking about 140 lb fighters. Floyd ko'd both fighters in his 140 lb career and Sharmba Mitchell moving up to Welter. You called him feather fisted (Floyd) I proved you wrong on that as well according to your standards. Your standards and criticisms are biased and only apply to fighters you either like or dislike.

Youre worng, theres No Bias here, the only fighter out of the 140 group that I like is Alexander. Flomo has KOed every 140 pounder/career 140 pounder, he has faced i think. Floyd was a puncher at one point, yes but with moving up weight classes that certainly change. Adamek was a puncher at 175 and at Cruiser, would you call him a puncher at HW? yeah i dont think so. Punchers are seen by the way they fight, Rotiz, Maidana and Khan hit pretty darn hard, so yes Ic onsider them Punchers. Hatton beat no one good, meaning he hasnt won any big fights. take into account Castillo and Tszyu old, Paulie, Urango mediocre. Thats his best resume wins.

And I already showed you that the young guns you're mentioning are beating either prospects or old guys like Witter. Or guys that hatton already beat.

and they've done it very impressively. Witter was not old vs Bradley and Urango was not old vs Alexander. Khan is the only man to beatKotlnik convincinly. Like I said, at this point, I'd take all these talent kids over prime Hatton any day of the weak.

Witter was 34 vs Bradley btw and 35 against Alexander. Urango has losses to Hatton and Berto and was beat up in the Bailey victory prior to facing Alexander. I know you would and I think they'd all lose.

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Dude if all you guys dont believe me about Hatton being overrated, just ask Miguel Cotto about it, He'll tell you also.

I don't get it. Are you saying Cotto is overrated too? What is your definition, or should I say what fighter is properly rated?

How did I imply Cotto was overrated? I was reffering to how Cotto would go off saying hatton was overrated every time he talked about him. Definition of overrated to me is peole holding to much stalk in a fight who isnt all that good. hatton was an overachiver. Frank Warren built him up by protecting him for several years.people Consider guys like Chavez, hopkins, Toney, jones All TIme Greats. The the like of Cotto, DLH, Castillo, and Corrales very good. Then you have Hatton, just a solid fighter whose just good and thats it.

I didn't know what you meant, thanks for the clarification. I never said Hatton was an ATG. I just think up to now at this point the previously mentioned guys haven't done enough in the division to g\be considered better than a prime pre world wide fame Ricky Hatton.

Well of course Ricky who has called it a career would be a lot more accomplised at this point then guys in their early 20s and one of them in their mid 20s. (dont count Maidana because he isnt very good). With Khans, Ortiz, Alexanders, and Braelys talen, they have the abilty tobe a lot more accomplished by the end of their career then Hatton (maybe 2 of them will have better careers).

From my earlier post on page one:

"Urango, Malignaggi, Tszyu, Tackie, Collazo, Maussa and Castillo. So far that's a better resume than anyone of the current guys has. "

and IMO its not much of a resume and it can easily be achivied by the fighters from 140 in the next couple of years.

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Diego408 wrote:

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Dude if all you guys dont believe me about Hatton being overrated, just ask Miguel Cotto about it, He'll tell you also.

I don't get it. Are you saying Cotto is overrated too? What is your definition, or should I say what fighter is properly rated?

How did I imply Cotto was overrated? I was reffering to how Cotto would go off saying hatton was overrated every time he talked about him. Definition of overrated to me is peole holding to much stalk in a fight who isnt all that good. hatton was an overachiver. Frank Warren built him up by protecting him for several years.people Consider guys like Chavez, hopkins, Toney, jones All TIme Greats. The the like of Cotto, DLH, Castillo, and Corrales very good. Then you have Hatton, just a solid fighter whose just good and thats it.

I didn't know what you meant, thanks for the clarification. I never said Hatton was an ATG. I just think up to now at this point the previously mentioned guys haven't done enough in the division to g\be considered better than a prime pre world wide fame Ricky Hatton.

Well of course Ricky who has called it a career would be a lot more accomplised at this point then guys in their early 20s and one of them in their mid 20s. (dont count Maidana because he isnt very good). With Khans, Ortiz, Alexanders, and Braelys talen, they have the abilty tobe a lot more accomplished by the end of their career then Hatton (maybe 2 of them will have better careers).

From my earlier post on page one:

"Urango, Malignaggi, Tszyu, Tackie, Collazo, Maussa and Castillo. So far that's a better resume than anyone of the current guys has. "

and IMO its not much of a resume and it can easily be achivied by the fighters from 140 in the next couple of years.

Until they do it I won't budge on my stance. It's one thing to speak about potential, it's another thing to execute. The young guys haven't executed yet. Until they actually fight the fights and win they will remain where they are.