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PostSubject: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 1:27 pm

Hatton is one of those guys who seems to be picked to lose nearly all the time now after his losses to Floyd and Pac. I was just wondering how you guys thought a prime Hatton would of done against the best fighters at 140 today namely Bradley, Khan, Maidana, Alexander, Ortiz etc.

I think he beats Alexander, Kotelnik and maybe Maidana and Ortiz but gets knocked out by Khan and loses a decision to Bradley. Kotelnik is pretty average and Alexander didn't look very good against him and I think he could just outmuscle Maidana. Ortiz may have too much firepower for him but Hatton may have been able to break his heart with his constant pressure and dirty fighting.

I think Ricky would definitely have had a much harder time if he fought in the current junior welter division.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 2:26 pm

i dont know. i was the first person to say that hatton was an overrated fighter but he was still a solid fighter and champion. i think that a prime hatton beats them all. pretty much all of the above mentioned fighters arent even in their primes yet. so once they hit their primes then it could be a different story.

i think that hattons pressure is too much for them all. to tell you the truth, i think that kotelnik would have the best chance at beating him at this point in all of their careers because i think that he would be able to handle the pressure the best. i dont see the rest of the fighters boxing skills prevailing.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 2:45 pm

Hatton is hard to judge; he had a lot of soft touches in his career, and pretty much everyone remembers him getting beat up by Floyd and destroyed by Pac. Still, he beat a handful of pretty good fighters and you can't discount his style giving people problems.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 3:26 pm

Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO
Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Hatton by decision
Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Hatton by decision
Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision
Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz = Hatton by knockout
Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 4:09 pm

A prime Kostya Tzsyu beats them all.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 5:37 pm

I'd favor the Hatton that beat Kostya over every one of them at this point.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 6:44 pm

Prime, pre world wide fame Hatton was an animal. Do any of you guys think that the above mentioned guys could go 10 rounds with a pre retirement Floyd at 147? Hatton beat Urango, Malignaggi, Tszyu, Tackie, Collazo, Maussa and Castillo. So far that's a better resume than anyone of the current guys has. I think I'd have to give a prime motivated Hatton the nod right now.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 7:04 pm

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Prime, pre world wide fame Hatton was an animal. Do any of you guys think that the above mentioned guys could go 10 rounds with a pre retirement Floyd at 147? Hatton beat Urango, Malignaggi, Tszyu, Tackie, Collazo, Maussa and Castillo. So far that's a better resume than anyone of the current guys has. I think I'd have to give a prime motivated Hatton the nod right now.


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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 7:52 pm

Wow I expected most of you to call me crazy for thinking Hatton could beat some of these guys. Maybe I've started underrating him since his loss to Pac. I actually wanted to say he'd beat Bradley too but I thought that would be pushing it haha. I still think Khan KOs him though.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 8:14 pm

how do people actually think that khan KO's him? khan isnt even in his prime yet. who has he beaten to even show that he is at all on the same level as hatton? once khan beats at least 3 out of those 5 fighters mentioned, i wont even consider them the same level fighters. hatton was a solid B+ maybe A- class fighter. khan at the moment is easily a grade lower.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 8:18 pm

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how do people actually think that khan KO's him? khan isnt even in his prime yet. who has he beaten to even show that he is at all on the same level as hatton? once khan beats at least 3 out of those 5 fighters mentioned, i wont even consider them the same level fighters. hatton was a solid B+ maybe A- class fighter. khan at the moment is easily a grade lower.
I just feel he wouldn't be able to cope with the handspeed of Khan.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 8:21 pm

I think Hatton in his prime has fast enough feet to maul Khan, he'd be all over him hooking and grappling

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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 8:53 pm

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powerpuncher wrote:
how do people actually think that khan KO's him? khan isnt even in his prime yet. who has he beaten to even show that he is at all on the same level as hatton? once khan beats at least 3 out of those 5 fighters mentioned, i wont even consider them the same level fighters. hatton was a solid B+ maybe A- class fighter. khan at the moment is easily a grade lower.
I just feel he wouldn't be able to cope with the handspeed of Khan.
khans handspeed isnt at all extraordinary. he went 10 rounds with mayweather at 147 who has way faster hands and is 100 times better all around than khan is. hatton was competitive in that fight. i just dont see how hatton could do as well as he did against a fighter on mayweathers caliber but just get outboxed by khan who isnt even a world class fighter but still somewhat an up and coming fighter.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 9:18 pm

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kbyte wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:
how do people actually think that khan KO's him? khan isnt even in his prime yet. who has he beaten to even show that he is at all on the same level as hatton? once khan beats at least 3 out of those 5 fighters mentioned, i wont even consider them the same level fighters. hatton was a solid B+ maybe A- class fighter. khan at the moment is easily a grade lower.
I just feel he wouldn't be able to cope with the handspeed of Khan.
khans handspeed isnt at all extraordinary. he went 10 rounds with mayweather at 147 who has way faster hands and is 100 times better all around than khan is. hatton was competitive in that fight. i just dont see how hatton could do as well as he did against a fighter on mayweathers caliber but just get outboxed by khan who isnt even a world class fighter but still somewhat an up and coming fighter.
I remember thinking before that Khan had the fastest hands today. Maybe I should go rewatch some of his fights again and maybe I'll change my mind.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 9:19 pm

kbyte wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:
how do people actually think that khan KO's him? khan isnt even in his prime yet. who has he beaten to even show that he is at all on the same level as hatton? once khan beats at least 3 out of those 5 fighters mentioned, i wont even consider them the same level fighters. hatton was a solid B+ maybe A- class fighter. khan at the moment is easily a grade lower.
I just feel he wouldn't be able to cope with the handspeed of Khan.

Kahn has to be at distance to display his handspeed. I haven't yet seen any evidence he can be effective if he's crowded. I think Hatton could crowd him.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyMon Sep 27, 2010 10:02 pm

I put Hatton as the favorite in all of those fights. Yes, he can be outboxed, but for how long?

Alexander and Bradley have a tendency to stand and trade a bit which would get them in serious trouble and Khan hasn't dealt with anyone who would be up in his grill like Hatton. No way to know how he'd handle the pressure.

Floyd beat Hatton on the inside which none of these guys can do. Not to mention Hatton was real strong at 140. If he can get to these guys he can break them down. The only one I would argue is Bradley because he's been tested the most and answered the most questions about his ability.
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At 140, Hatton was strong, He has such an ugly style he would give any one of them fits.
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Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO

Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Bradley by a killer by decision

Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Alexander By Brutal Knock Out

Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision, but Maidana by drop him a few times

Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz =Ortiz by Epic Knock Out (under 4 rounds)

Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision

This is all with Prime Hatton at 140, but comeback Hatton losses to all of them, 5 of them by KO and 1 by UD.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyTue Sep 28, 2010 12:06 pm

Diego408 wrote:
Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO

Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Bradley by a killer by decision

Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Alexander By Brutal Knock Out

Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision, but Maidana by drop him a few times

Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz =Ortiz by Epic Knock Out (under 4 rounds)

Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision

This is all with Prime Hatton at 140, but comeback Hatton losses to all of them, 5 of them by KO and 1 by UD.

You're a maniac. All of the above fighters are largely unproven. Bradley's best wins are an old Witter and Kendall Holt who looked like shit in his last fight and doesn't seem to take the too seriously.

Alexander beat an older Witter and Urango for his best and looked suspect against Kotelnik. Hatton already beat an undefeated Urango.

Maidana lost to Kotelnik. Totally suspect skills but big punch.

Khan's best win was against a guy that Hatton already stopped.

Ortiz would cry rape and quit before the final bell.

Kotelnik would be punished inside and raped as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyTue Sep 28, 2010 12:13 pm

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Diego408 wrote:
Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO

Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Bradley by a killer by decision

Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Alexander By Brutal Knock Out

Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision, but Maidana by drop him a few times

Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz =Ortiz by Epic Knock Out (under 4 rounds)

Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision

This is all with Prime Hatton at 140, but comeback Hatton losses to all of them, 5 of them by KO and 1 by UD.

You're a maniac. All of the above fighters are largely unproven. Bradley's best wins are an old Witter and Kendall Holt who looked like shit in his last fight and doesn't seem to take the too seriously.

Alexander beat an older Witter and Urango for his best and looked suspect against Kotelnik. Hatton already beat an undefeated Urango.

Maidana lost to Kotelnik. Totally suspect skills but big punch.

Khan's best win was against a guy that Hatton already stopped.

Ortiz would cry rape and quit before the final bell.

Kotelnik would be punished inside and raped as well.

besides Bradley, Maidana and Kotlnik, all the other fighters are babies and would still crush hatton.

What the hell didnt Hatton Ever do at 140? beat old Tszyu (with the Refs help), Pualie, and Urango. Collazo whooped his ass and Feather Fisted Flomo knocked him out. How the hell can Flomo KO? not even lightweight Marquez. Hatton the 2nd weakest Lineal champ of last decade behind Baldi. That China chin of his wouldnt get him far in this division. Coming Foward without that Jab, he would be out cold before he knew it.
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Diego408 wrote:
Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO

Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Bradley by a killer by decision

Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Alexander By Brutal Knock Out

Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision, but Maidana by drop him a few times

Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz =Ortiz by Epic Knock Out (under 4 rounds)

Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision

This is all with Prime Hatton at 140, but comeback Hatton losses to all of them, 5 of them by KO and 1 by UD.
lol I knew when I saw your name that you would have him getting raped in all these matchups.
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PostSubject: Re: Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today   Ricky Hatton vs the top 140lbers today EmptyTue Sep 28, 2010 12:21 pm

Diego408 wrote:
hardcoreBEE24 wrote:
Diego408 wrote:
Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO

Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Bradley by a killer by decision

Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Alexander By Brutal Knock Out

Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision, but Maidana by drop him a few times

Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz =Ortiz by Epic Knock Out (under 4 rounds)

Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision

This is all with Prime Hatton at 140, but comeback Hatton losses to all of them, 5 of them by KO and 1 by UD.

You're a maniac. All of the above fighters are largely unproven. Bradley's best wins are an old Witter and Kendall Holt who looked like shit in his last fight and doesn't seem to take the too seriously.

Alexander beat an older Witter and Urango for his best and looked suspect against Kotelnik. Hatton already beat an undefeated Urango.

Maidana lost to Kotelnik. Totally suspect skills but big punch.

Khan's best win was against a guy that Hatton already stopped.

Ortiz would cry rape and quit before the final bell.

Kotelnik would be punished inside and raped as well.

besides Bradley, Maidana and Kotlnik, all the other fighters are babies and would still crush hatton.

What the hell didnt Hatton Ever do at 140? beat old Tszyu (with the Refs help), Pualie, and Urango. Collazo whooped his ass and Feather Fisted Flomo knocked him out. How the hell can Flomo KO? not even lightweight Marquez. Hatton the 2nd weakest Lineal champ of last decade behind Baldi. That China chin of his wouldnt get him far in this division. Coming Foward without that Jab, he would be out cold before he knew it.
I think its fine if you feel he lost to Collazo but don't act like that wasn't a very close fight.
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Diego408 wrote:
Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO

Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Bradley by a killer by decision

Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Alexander By Brutal Knock Out

Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision, but Maidana by drop him a few times

Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz =Ortiz by Epic Knock Out (under 4 rounds)

Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision

This is all with Prime Hatton at 140, but comeback Hatton losses to all of them, 5 of them by KO and 1 by UD.

You're a maniac. All of the above fighters are largely unproven. Bradley's best wins are an old Witter and Kendall Holt who looked like shit in his last fight and doesn't seem to take the too seriously.

Alexander beat an older Witter and Urango for his best and looked suspect against Kotelnik. Hatton already beat an undefeated Urango.

Maidana lost to Kotelnik. Totally suspect skills but big punch.

Khan's best win was against a guy that Hatton already stopped.

Ortiz would cry rape and quit before the final bell.

Kotelnik would be punished inside and raped as well.

besides Bradley, Maidana and Kotlnik, all the other fighters are babies and would still crush hatton.

What the hell didnt Hatton Ever do at 140? beat old Tszyu (with the Refs help), Pualie, and Urango. Collazo whooped his ass and Feather Fisted Flomo knocked him out. How the hell can Flomo KO? not even lightweight Marquez. Hatton the 2nd weakest Lineal champ of last decade behind Baldi. That China chin of his wouldnt get him far in this division. Coming Foward without that Jab, he would be out cold before he knew it.
you are giving hatton no credit for what he did. im not saying that he was the best fighter but no way that he was the second worst lineal champ in the last decade. even though his competition wasnt the best at 140, he still had a couple of solid wins. his wins actually proved that he was a top fighter. he was a top p4p fighter. tell me what khan, bradley, alexander, or ortiz have done in their careers thus far to show that they are on the same level as hatton. even the tyszu that hatton beat would have KO'd every single one of these fighters.
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kbyte wrote:
Diego408 wrote:
hardcoreBEE24 wrote:
Diego408 wrote:
Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO

Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Bradley by a killer by decision

Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Alexander By Brutal Knock Out

Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision, but Maidana by drop him a few times

Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz =Ortiz by Epic Knock Out (under 4 rounds)

Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision

This is all with Prime Hatton at 140, but comeback Hatton losses to all of them, 5 of them by KO and 1 by UD.

You're a maniac. All of the above fighters are largely unproven. Bradley's best wins are an old Witter and Kendall Holt who looked like shit in his last fight and doesn't seem to take the too seriously.

Alexander beat an older Witter and Urango for his best and looked suspect against Kotelnik. Hatton already beat an undefeated Urango.

Maidana lost to Kotelnik. Totally suspect skills but big punch.

Khan's best win was against a guy that Hatton already stopped.

Ortiz would cry rape and quit before the final bell.

Kotelnik would be punished inside and raped as well.

besides Bradley, Maidana and Kotlnik, all the other fighters are babies and would still crush hatton.

What the hell didnt Hatton Ever do at 140? beat old Tszyu (with the Refs help), Pualie, and Urango. Collazo whooped his ass and Feather Fisted Flomo knocked him out. How the hell can Flomo KO? not even lightweight Marquez. Hatton the 2nd weakest Lineal champ of last decade behind Baldi. That China chin of his wouldnt get him far in this division. Coming Foward without that Jab, he would be out cold before he knew it.
I think its fine if you feel he lost to Collazo but don't act like that wasn't a very close fight.
Yeah i think we've been through this beofre. It was close in the begging of the fight, in the second half Caollazo pulled away and took the fight. even dropping Hatton in the process, but being ruled a KD. Funny because Hatton was really shaken up by a feather fisted Collazo.

Hatton ruled in a weak division, this division isnt so weak anymore.
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hardcoreBEE24 wrote:
Diego408 wrote:
Ricky Hatton vs Amir Khan = Khan by TKO

Ricky Hatton vs Timothy Bradley = Bradley by a killer by decision

Ricky Hatton vs Devon Alexander = Alexander By Brutal Knock Out

Ricky Hatton vs Marcos Maidana = Hatton by decision, but Maidana by drop him a few times

Ricky Hatton vs Victor Ortiz =Ortiz by Epic Knock Out (under 4 rounds)

Ricky Hatton vs Andreas Kotelnik = Hatton by split decision

This is all with Prime Hatton at 140, but comeback Hatton losses to all of them, 5 of them by KO and 1 by UD.

You're a maniac. All of the above fighters are largely unproven. Bradley's best wins are an old Witter and Kendall Holt who looked like shit in his last fight and doesn't seem to take the too seriously.

Alexander beat an older Witter and Urango for his best and looked suspect against Kotelnik. Hatton already beat an undefeated Urango.

Maidana lost to Kotelnik. Totally suspect skills but big punch.

Khan's best win was against a guy that Hatton already stopped.

Ortiz would cry rape and quit before the final bell.

Kotelnik would be punished inside and raped as well.

besides Bradley, Maidana and Kotlnik, all the other fighters are babies and would still crush hatton.

What the hell didnt Hatton Ever do at 140? beat old Tszyu (with the Refs help), Pualie, and Urango. Collazo whooped his ass and Feather Fisted Flomo knocked him out. How the hell can Flomo KO? not even lightweight Marquez. Hatton the 2nd weakest Lineal champ of last decade behind Baldi. That China chin of his wouldnt get him far in this division. Coming Foward without that Jab, he would be out cold before he knew it.

Both at '47. I had him beating Collazo. He scored a KD which gave him a two point swing. Hatton beat everyone that he faced with the exception of Witter at '40. Floyd is not feather fisted and caught the guy with a great shot. What have the other men done. I already posted Hatton's best wins against ranked fighters. None of the others have a resume that comes close.
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