Weight Issues: Something needs to be done

According to Harold Lederman, Carlos Baldomir weighed 165 or 169 against Alvarez when he left the dressing room (I couldn't really make it out if it was 165 or 169). Whatever the case was Baldomir was at least two divisions heavier than Alvarez when they entered the ring. There is something seriously wrong with this. Alvarez is 20 and it surprises me that his promoter would allow this sort of thing to play out, Alvarez isn't even making the jr Middleweight limit (he weighed in at 150). The other issue is how the fuck do you gain TWENTY FIVE pounds overnight? This is a danger for anyone in boxing, never mind a prospect who is fighting a cagey veteran. The state commissions have to take a stand against this trend. Day in weigh ins should be reinstated immediately and promoters that allow this behavior should be forced to forfeit some of their money. IMO this is shortening the length of fighters careers and their window to earn money, the promoter should be held responsible for that.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

According to Harold Lederman, Carlos Baldomir weighed 165 or 169 against Alvarez when he left the dressing room (I couldn't really make it out if it was 165 or 169). Whatever the case was Baldomir was at least two divisions heavier than Alvarez when they entered the ring. There is something seriously wrong with this. Alvarez is 20 and it surprises me that his promoter would allow this sort of thing to play out, Alvarez isn't even making the jr Middleweight limit (he weighed in at 150). The other issue is how the fuck do you gain TWENTY FIVE pounds overnight? This is a danger for anyone in boxing, never mind a prospect who is fighting a cagey veteran. The state commissions have to take a stand against this trend. Day in weigh ins should be reinstated immediately and promoters that allow this behavior should be forced to forfeit some of their money. IMO this is shortening the length of fighters careers and their window to earn money, the promoter should be held responsible for that.

i agree but it's really nothing new. i remember jose castillo came in 151 pounds when he was a lightweight against julio diaz. diaz came in 149 and they were both in their "prime". you do make a great point that if there were more day weigh ins fighters would not fuck around and take their health more serious (hatton and cotto) while not training. cintron was in a card a few years back where they had a day weigh in so yeah maybe they should just do it this way again.

RUM CAPITAL wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

According to Harold Lederman, Carlos Baldomir weighed 165 or 169 against Alvarez when he left the dressing room (I couldn't really make it out if it was 165 or 169). Whatever the case was Baldomir was at least two divisions heavier than Alvarez when they entered the ring. There is something seriously wrong with this. Alvarez is 20 and it surprises me that his promoter would allow this sort of thing to play out, Alvarez isn't even making the jr Middleweight limit (he weighed in at 150). The other issue is how the fuck do you gain TWENTY FIVE pounds overnight? This is a danger for anyone in boxing, never mind a prospect who is fighting a cagey veteran. The state commissions have to take a stand against this trend. Day in weigh ins should be reinstated immediately and promoters that allow this behavior should be forced to forfeit some of their money. IMO this is shortening the length of fighters careers and their window to earn money, the promoter should be held responsible for that.

i agree but it's really nothing new. i remember jose castillo came in 151 pounds when he was a lightweight against julio diaz. diaz came in 149 and they were both in their "prime". you do make a great point that if there were more day weigh ins fighters would not fuck around and take their health more serious (hatton and cotto) while not training. cintron was in a card a few years back where they had a day weigh in so yeah maybe they should just do it this way again.

I know that this is a known thing that has been going on for years but it has to stop. It surprised me that it happened on an undercard fight featuring the biggest prospect out of Mexico in the last five or ten years. I know that Bladomir isn't huge puncher but all that weight? Golden Boy really has to learn how to protect their prospects. Ortiz Vs. Maidana, Jacobs Vs. Pirog now Alvarez Vs. Baldomir. What are they trying to do? This just struck a chord with me because of how young Alvarez is and how experienced Baldomir is.

again a very strong and correct arguement for same day weigh ins..

I don't care about how much they on fight night.

Ali_1748 wrote:

I don't care about how much they on fight night.

You don't care that it's a danger to the opponent if a guy rehydrates to twenty five pounds above the limit?? Then you don't care about the competitors.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

I don't care about how much they on fight night.

You don't care that it's a danger to the opponent if a guy dehydrates to twenty five pounds above the limit?? Then you don't care about the competitors.

I really don't care how much they pile on after the weigh-in because it rarely makes a difference.

Ali_1748 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

I don't care about how much they on fight night.

You don't care that it's a danger to the opponent if a guy rehydrates to twenty five pounds above the limit?? Then you don't care about the competitors.

I really don't care how much they pile on after the weigh-in because it rarely makes a difference.

Rarely doesn't mean never. Protection from controllable instances like weigh ins is a stance that needs to be taken. We haven't seen what the potential damage might turn out being. If more guys wind up with brain damage later in life would you change your stance?

I am sorry Softcore but the issue doesn't grind my gears, the best fighter will still win regardless of how much pasta their opponent eats after the weigh-in.

Ali_1748 wrote:

I am sorry Softcore but the issue doesn't grind my gears, the best fighter will still win regardless of how much pasta their opponent eats after the weigh-in.

I disagree. Shortening ones career and the obvious potential for long term damage are matters that need to be looked into.

Ali_1748 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

I don't care about how much they on fight night.

You don't care that it's a danger to the opponent if a guy dehydrates to twenty five pounds above the limit?? Then you don't care about the competitors.

I really don't care how much they pile on after the weigh-in because it rarely makes a difference.

Ask Joey Gamache if that's a big deal.

Maybe I am being naive about the issue, but it's not like Pacquiao's extra weight meant he was able to dominate Marquez in the rematch.

I just think that you're looking at it as "I don't give a shit about it, therefore it is a non-issue".

While you may not give a shit about it, it is definitely an issue that needs addressing. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

ali your thoughts are totaly wrong..pavik at 179 is not middleweight.its over the light heavyweight limit..why are you against same day weight ins..its a fairer system..boxing regressed on this issue.to not care is unreal..

same day weigh ins eliminates this

I'm with Ali. I dont care what they weigh on fight night. Baldomir outweighing Alvarez proved to be irrelevant. The better fighter always wins.

Ali_1748 wrote:

I don't care about how much they on fight night.

Are you freaking kidding? That is the ONLY thing that matters in terms of competitiveness and safety.

I view fighters as pieces of meat that are only there to entertain me. Fuck their health. They can kill each other in the ring for all I care. I don't care as long as someone bleeds........but seriously I'm just kidding. If having weigh-ins on the same day as the fight makes things safer then I'm all for it.

SlickMoneyXL wrote:

I'm with Ali. I dont care what they weigh on fight night. Baldomir outweighing Alvarez proved to be irrelevant. The better fighter always wins.

I'll be sure to let Ray Robinson know you thought Joey Maxim was better.

KrazyHorseBennett wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

I don't care about how much they on fight night.

You don't care that it's a danger to the opponent if a guy dehydrates to twenty five pounds above the limit?? Then you don't care about the competitors.

I really don't care how much they pile on after the weigh-in because it rarely makes a difference.

Ask Joey Gamache if that's a big deal.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well if a fighter gains that much weight overnight then chances are he isn't in shape anyway.

taylorfleig wrote:

Well if a fighter gains that much weight overnight then chances are he isn't in shape anyway.

As Krazy Horse already stated ask Joey Gamanche.

There are two contradictory ideas:

multiple weight classes - Having a lot of classes so every guy can fight at their optimal weight.

modern weigh ins - Having a day or so for fighters to rehydrate and replenish to their "natural" weight.

Either idea makes sense, but they don't make sense together.

If a guy comes in at 160 on fight night, he should be a middle weight. Or if boxing is going to allow a fight between someone who is 160 and someone who is 140 on a regular basis, there is no need for 135, 140, 147, 154 and 160 (get rid of 140 and 154).

So the answer is: same day weigh-ins or fewer weight classes. Same day weigh-ins pretty much solve the problem right there. Fewer weight classes will let guys know what they are getting into ahead of time, and talent in the sport won't be spread as thinly. This still allows for the weigh-in/media day.

The current system is stupid because guys are killing themselves to make weight and killing each other by gaining serious weight advantages in bouts that are categorized as "same weight" fights.

Gumby wrote:

There are two contradictory ideas:

multiple weight classes - Having a lot of classes so every guy can fight at their optimal weight.

modern weigh ins - Having a day or so for fighters to rehydrate and replenish to their "natural" weight.

Either idea makes sense, but they don't make sense together.

If a guy comes in at 160 on fight night, he should be a middle weight. Or if boxing is going to allow a fight between someone who is 160 and someone who is 140 on a regular basis, there is no need for 135, 140, 147, 154 and 160 (get rid of 140 and 154).

So the answer is: same day weigh-ins or fewer weight classes. Same day weigh-ins pretty much solve the problem right there. Fewer weight classes will let guys know what they are getting into ahead of time, and talent in the sport won't be spread as thinly. This still allows for the weigh-in/media day.

The current system is stupid because guys are killing themselves to make weight and killing each other by gaining serious weight advantages in bouts that are categorized as "same weight" fights.

Eloquent and thoughtful. It'll go over their heads

Gumby wrote:

There are two contradictory ideas:

multiple weight classes - Having a lot of classes so every guy can fight at their optimal weight.

modern weigh ins - Having a day or so for fighters to rehydrate and replenish to their "natural" weight.

Either idea makes sense, but they don't make sense together.

If a guy comes in at 160 on fight night, he should be a middle weight. Or if boxing is going to allow a fight between someone who is 160 and someone who is 140 on a regular basis, there is no need for 135, 140, 147, 154 and 160 (get rid of 140 and 154).

So the answer is: same day weigh-ins or fewer weight classes. Same day weigh-ins pretty much solve the problem right there. Fewer weight classes will let guys know what they are getting into ahead of time, and talent in the sport won't be spread as thinly. This still allows for the weigh-in/media day.

The current system is stupid because guys are killing themselves to make weight and killing each other by gaining serious weight advantages in bouts that are categorized as "same weight" fights.

Either suggestion would work. Implementing those suggestions is he difficult part. Great post.