Is there one simple answer to fix boxing?

A wise scribe once said."as the HW division goes,so goes boxing.

WinstonSmith wrote:

A wise scribe once said."as the HW division goes,so goes boxing.

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There is no simple answer to fix boxing. However, there are many simple answers that can improve or even fix the sport. The real issue is that no one is trying any.

If I could choose one it would be fixing the organization of the sport. Having a single large overseeing body whose goal is to run the sport similar to the NFL, MLB, PGA, NBA, NHL, Nascar, etc. I have no idea how that could be accomplished.

My choices for things that are relatively easy to implement are same day weigh ins or fewer divisions.

appoint me Supreme Ruler of the sport with complete autonomy....

Nothing is going to fix boxing short of a complete and utter collapse of the sport and a reboot of the business model. People will be having these discussions in five and ten years.

If boxing could somehow steal the business model of the UFC/MMA where one promotion matters, where a PPV product is created that contains numerous good fights with known and popular fighters, and the best routinely fight the best.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Nothing is going to fix boxing short of a complete and utter collapse of the sport and a reboot of the business model. People will be having these discussions in five and ten years.

If boxing could somehow steal the business model of the UFC/MMA where one promotion matters, where a PPV product is created that contains numerous good fights with known and popular fighters, and the best routinely fight the best.

There is going to be a question asked in the near future. What can fix MMA? Wolf right now MMA has a bunch of the same problems that boxing does. Those problems will catch up to MMA.

to answer the original question: There isn't one simple answer to fix boxing. The answer is complicated and many of the solutions suggested on this board (or elsewhere) are not likely to occur.

The plain truth is we love a sport that doesn't love us back.

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Nothing is going to fix boxing short of a complete and utter collapse of the sport and a reboot of the business model. People will be having these discussions in five and ten years.

If boxing could somehow steal the business model of the UFC/MMA where one promotion matters, where a PPV product is created that contains numerous good fights with known and popular fighters, and the best routinely fight the best.

There is going to be a question asked in the near future. What can fix MMA? Wolf right now MMA has a bunch of the same problems that boxing does. Those problems will catch up to MMA.

MMA has none of the problems that really fuck boxing. Don't get defensive and target MMA. Really now.

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Nothing is going to fix boxing short of a complete and utter collapse of the sport and a reboot of the business model. People will be having these discussions in five and ten years.

If boxing could somehow steal the business model of the UFC/MMA where one promotion matters, where a PPV product is created that contains numerous good fights with known and popular fighters, and the best routinely fight the best.

There is going to be a question asked in the near future. What can fix MMA? Wolf right now MMA has a bunch of the same problems that boxing does. Those problems will catch up to MMA.

Lol please expound on what some of those problems are

1. Expound is a great word.

2. I don't think he has that ability.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Nothing is going to fix boxing short of a complete and utter collapse of the sport and a reboot of the business model. People will be having these discussions in five and ten years.

If boxing could somehow steal the business model of the UFC/MMA where one promotion matters, where a PPV product is created that contains numerous good fights with known and popular fighters, and the best routinely fight the best.

There is going to be a question asked in the near future. What can fix MMA? Wolf right now MMA has a bunch of the same problems that boxing does. Those problems will catch up to MMA.

MMA has none of the problems that really fuck boxing. Don't get defensive and target MMA. Really now.

Ok let me explain this. These are issues that both boxing and mma have.

1. Promoters
2. Different bodies that rank and give out belts
3. Not able to get the best to fight the best

Now you MMA guys can argue all you want but right now you have multiple organizations that all have their own champions.

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Ok let me explain this. These are issues that both boxing and mma have.

1. Promoters
2. Different bodies that rank and give out belts
3. Not able to get the best to fight the best

Now you MMA guys can argue all you want but right now you have multiple organizations that all have their own champions.

We both know those issues are not the same and are of different gravity in each sport. You're reaching. You want to believe boxing is as healthy as MMA, but that just aint the case.

MMA depending on who you ask has between 1-3 relevant promoters in America. How many does boxing have? The lineal champions and recognized champions of all division but one reside in the UFC. There are different promoters and belts, but by in large the UFC is what really matters to the sport at large. The UFC is able to turn a profit event after event, and for the most part gives us the best matches. The other two promotions are Bellator and Strikeforce, and they're both awesome products that are doing relatively well for themselves also. It's not a difficult sport to follow. All three promotions have regular TV deals and promote more than just their champions. It's easy to know how to watch and who you're watching.

Boxing is just a giant gagglefuck soup of belts and ranking bodies and fighters who won't fight. They have no system of building fighters to the public and no regular way of showcasing fighters. I know that boxing is on ESPN on Fridays sometimes, and I know they advertise boxing on Showtime MMA shows, but I don't know who promotes what, who will be fighting, what promoter, nothing.

Further, MMA is a more exciting product right now. Most boxers are dance and dodgers who avoid really fighting. On the pantheon of sports excitement on average, K-1 Max ranks about ten times higher than boxing on average does. Sad but true.

Short of a complete reinvention of boxing's business model and culture it will continue to slide further down the niche.

I think MMA could suffer from over-exposure.I'm already getting sick of the over hype of the NFL.With the current generation having little or no interest in boxing,the sweet science could be dead in this Country in the next twenty years.

I hope I don't come off as a boxing hater. Many of my favorite MMA fighters are boxing stylists. The boxing vs MMA thing the way it was phrased with James Toney was a half-truth. Boxing already has crossed over into MMA in a big way. Most everyone out of the UK is boxing-based. Then you have stars like Rampage, KJ Noons, the now shot Marcus Davis and the Diaz brothers who are boxing oriented strikers.

WinstonSmith wrote:

I think MMA could suffer from over-exposure.I'm already getting sick of the over hype of the NFL.With the current generation having little or no interest in boxing,the sweet science could be dead in this Country in the next twenty years.

See I don't want boxing as healthy as MMA. I want it as healthy as the NFL!

But when I see young self professed boxing junkies defending David Haye and Floyd Mayweather's inactivity and video excuses it leads me to believe you are likely closer to what will happen. They are going to get the sport they deserve.

if boxing were as healthy as the UFC you'd be happy as a fuckin clam.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

if boxing were as healthy as the UFC you'd be happy as a fuckin clam.

Nope. Your mindreading skills blow.

I have a few ideas:

1. Make promotional companies like Golden Boy and Top Rank their own "sport." So fighters from different companies would never fight each other. I mean the promoters like in-house fights these days, why not take it a step further.

2. We absolutely NEED a professional wrestler in our ranks. Batista, I think, would be a good choice. He can be the new HW champ.

3. Everlast needs to make a resurgence as a tough-guy brand. I wanna be able to go to parties wearing my one size too small shirt and be all tough because I know about boxing (or least, can pretend to know).

4. We need to bring some past their prime, old, fat, has-been MMA fighters into the ring.

Lol, guys MMA has taken over Boxing as the top combat sport and the gap is just going to grow wider. Facts are facts. Youth in this country don't give a shit about boxing anymore and rightfully so honestly

bobbitt15 wrote:

Lol, guys MMA has taken over Boxing as the top combat sport and the gap is just going to grow wider. Facts are facts. Youth in this country don't give a shit about boxing anymore and rightfully so honestly

What about youth in other countries? Yesterday, we saw a massive crowd to see Sturm in Germany and an incredible crowd in Scotland to see Burns.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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Ok let me explain this. These are issues that both boxing and mma have.

1. Promoters
2. Different bodies that rank and give out belts
3. Not able to get the best to fight the best

Now you MMA guys can argue all you want but right now you have multiple organizations that all have their own champions.

We both know those issues are not the same and are of different gravity in each sport. You're reaching. You want to believe boxing is as healthy as MMA, but that just aint the case.

MMA depending on who you ask has between 1-3 relevant promoters in America. How many does boxing have? The lineal champions and recognized champions of all division but one reside in the UFC. There are different promoters and belts, but by in large the UFC is what really matters to the sport at large. The UFC is able to turn a profit event after event, and for the most part gives us the best matches. The other two promotions are Bellator and Strikeforce, and they're both awesome products that are doing relatively well for themselves also. It's not a difficult sport to follow. All three promotions have regular TV deals and promote more than just their champions. It's easy to know how to watch and who you're watching.

Boxing is just a giant gagglefuck soup of belts and ranking bodies and fighters who won't fight. They have no system of building fighters to the public and no regular way of showcasing fighters. I know that boxing is on ESPN on Fridays sometimes, and I know they advertise boxing on Showtime MMA shows, but I don't know who promotes what, who will be fighting, what promoter, nothing.

Further, MMA is a more exciting product right now. Most boxers are dance and dodgers who avoid really fighting. On the pantheon of sports excitement on average, K-1 Max ranks about ten times higher than boxing on average does. Sad but true.

Short of a complete reinvention of boxing's business model and culture it will continue to slide further down the niche.

You can try to justify it what ever way you want Wolf. But the simple fact is you guys have the same problems right now. OH and all you guys dumb ass statements about how MMA has taken over doesnt seem to be showing up in the numbers. I mean $. How much does the highest paid MMA guy make? MMA has a long way to go to reach the status of Boxing.

bobbitt15 wrote:

Lol, guys MMA has taken over Boxing as the top combat sport and the gap is just going to grow wider. Facts are facts. Youth in this country don't give a shit about boxing anymore and rightfully so honestly

Really? Because I see soooo many kids in the schools practicing MMA Right? And I am in a big MMA state. I know plenty of kids who watch both sports. Hell one of them started to post on this site.

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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Ok let me explain this. These are issues that both boxing and mma have.

1. Promoters
2. Different bodies that rank and give out belts
3. Not able to get the best to fight the best

Now you MMA guys can argue all you want but right now you have multiple organizations that all have their own champions.

We both know those issues are not the same and are of different gravity in each sport. You're reaching. You want to believe boxing is as healthy as MMA, but that just aint the case.

MMA depending on who you ask has between 1-3 relevant promoters in America. How many does boxing have? The lineal champions and recognized champions of all division but one reside in the UFC. There are different promoters and belts, but by in large the UFC is what really matters to the sport at large. The UFC is able to turn a profit event after event, and for the most part gives us the best matches. The other two promotions are Bellator and Strikeforce, and they're both awesome products that are doing relatively well for themselves also. It's not a difficult sport to follow. All three promotions have regular TV deals and promote more than just their champions. It's easy to know how to watch and who you're watching.

Boxing is just a giant gagglefuck soup of belts and ranking bodies and fighters who won't fight. They have no system of building fighters to the public and no regular way of showcasing fighters. I know that boxing is on ESPN on Fridays sometimes, and I know they advertise boxing on Showtime MMA shows, but I don't know who promotes what, who will be fighting, what promoter, nothing.

Further, MMA is a more exciting product right now. Most boxers are dance and dodgers who avoid really fighting. On the pantheon of sports excitement on average, K-1 Max ranks about ten times higher than boxing on average does. Sad but true.

Short of a complete reinvention of boxing's business model and culture it will continue to slide further down the niche.

You can try to justify it what ever way you want Wolf. But the simple fact is you guys have the same problems right now. OH and all you guys dumb ass statements about how MMA has taken over doesnt seem to be showing up in the numbers. I mean $. How much does the highest paid MMA guy make? MMA has a long way to go to reach the status of Boxing.

The disgusting amount of money being paid to boxers that no one gives a shit about watching is one of the biggest problems with the sport. So congrats on that

soonermark890 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Lol, guys MMA has taken over Boxing as the top combat sport and the gap is just going to grow wider. Facts are facts. Youth in this country don't give a shit about boxing anymore and rightfully so honestly

Really? Because I see soooo many kids in the schools practicing MMA Right? And I am in a big MMA state. I know plenty of kids who watch both sports. Hell one of them started to post on this site.

The "dispute" between boxing and MMA is not even close among kids like under the age of 25. Literally not even close at all

bobbitt15 wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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Ok let me explain this. These are issues that both boxing and mma have.

1. Promoters
2. Different bodies that rank and give out belts
3. Not able to get the best to fight the best

Now you MMA guys can argue all you want but right now you have multiple organizations that all have their own champions.

We both know those issues are not the same and are of different gravity in each sport. You're reaching. You want to believe boxing is as healthy as MMA, but that just aint the case.

MMA depending on who you ask has between 1-3 relevant promoters in America. How many does boxing have? The lineal champions and recognized champions of all division but one reside in the UFC. There are different promoters and belts, but by in large the UFC is what really matters to the sport at large. The UFC is able to turn a profit event after event, and for the most part gives us the best matches. The other two promotions are Bellator and Strikeforce, and they're both awesome products that are doing relatively well for themselves also. It's not a difficult sport to follow. All three promotions have regular TV deals and promote more than just their champions. It's easy to know how to watch and who you're watching.

Boxing is just a giant gagglefuck soup of belts and ranking bodies and fighters who won't fight. They have no system of building fighters to the public and no regular way of showcasing fighters. I know that boxing is on ESPN on Fridays sometimes, and I know they advertise boxing on Showtime MMA shows, but I don't know who promotes what, who will be fighting, what promoter, nothing.

Further, MMA is a more exciting product right now. Most boxers are dance and dodgers who avoid really fighting. On the pantheon of sports excitement on average, K-1 Max ranks about ten times higher than boxing on average does. Sad but true.

Short of a complete reinvention of boxing's business model and culture it will continue to slide further down the niche.

You can try to justify it what ever way you want Wolf. But the simple fact is you guys have the same problems right now. OH and all you guys dumb ass statements about how MMA has taken over doesnt seem to be showing up in the numbers. I mean $. How much does the highest paid MMA guy make? MMA has a long way to go to reach the status of Boxing.

The disgusting amount of money being paid to boxers that no one gives a shit about watching is one of the biggest problems with the sport. So congrats on that

Dude they can pay those fighters those big paydays because of how much money the sport brings in. UFC not so much.