After Diego I think the best test for BJ......

Captain you must be delusional. BJ is A GOAT diaz is not even a top 5 LW. Not close. BJ only loses to bigger fighters his only lost at lw is to pulver a long long time ago. BJ owns the LW division.

captain organic wrote:

Jruq wrote:

Bj could walk through Nates punches, but is more likely to just dodge a jab and drop him with either hand. Or if he felt like it he could take him down and dominate him.

BJ would beat Nate where ever and however he wanted... then again that practically goes for everyone else at 155.

Diego is an interesting challenge for BJ, but if BJ trains like he did for Florian I don't see Diego having much of a chance either.

I give Diego a much better chance then Flo(this is hindsight to an extent). Cause I just don't see Diego midway through the 1st round resorting to a game plan which provides no chance of winning the way flo did. Diego will throw punches. He'll bring it, im pretty confident of that.

At the very least the staredown will be pretty cool between BJ and Diego.

Diego's athleticism should help him, but until he jumps out of a 3 foot pool, I'm not impressed.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya except Gray Maynard maybe a better MMA wrestler than GSP even and is probably the best wrestler in the UFC after Couture, who he trains with.

Gray could take GSP down. I am serious.

GSP would take Gray down first.

Anyway, Nate Diaz just got his ass kicked by Joe Stevenson and we all know what BJ did to him.

After BJ beats Diego his biggest challenge fights in Japan and wears fruity pants.

Bigs03 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya except Gray Maynard maybe a better MMA wrestler than GSP even and is probably the best wrestler in the UFC after Couture, who he trains with.

Gray could take GSP down. I am serious.

GSP would take Gray down first.

Anyway, Nate Diaz just got his ass kicked by Joe Stevenson and we all know what BJ did to him.

After BJ beats Diego his biggest challenge fights in Japan and wears fruity pants.

Aoki would get a serious beatdown. BJ can nullify his BJJ on the ground, keep the fight standing and if it went to the ground, it would be BJ on top and a bloody Aoki underneath him.
I see BJ laughing at Aoki trying to butt-slide his way to victory if that fight ever happens.

Jruq wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya except Gray Maynard maybe a better MMA wrestler than GSP even and is probably the best wrestler in the UFC after Couture, who he trains with.

Gray could take GSP down. I am serious.

GSP would take Gray down first.

Anyway, Nate Diaz just got his ass kicked by Joe Stevenson and we all know what BJ did to him.

After BJ beats Diego his biggest challenge fights in Japan and wears fruity pants.

Aoki would get a serious beatdown. BJ can nullify his BJJ on the ground, keep the fight standing and if it went to the ground, it would be BJ on top and a bloody Aoki underneath him.
I see BJ laughing at Aoki trying to butt-slide his way to victory if that fight ever happens.

Maybe, I'm not so sure. Aoki has about as good a resume as any lightweight out there, BJ included. I'd like to see it.

all i know is is frankie edgar can stuff even one of your takedowns your not taking gsp down. No disrespect to frankie, he is one of the better wrestlers in the LW division, but he is still not on the same wrestling level as GSP, and he's alot smaller. GSP is head and shoulders above the rest in the wrestling.

Damn... DAMN... I'm not sure I have seen a thread with this much idiocy since leaving the ESPN board. Nate Diaz is a challenge for BJ? Who's been in the basement smoking with the Diaz brothers??? And that's followed by my bestest pal claiming that Gray Maynard could handle GSP in the wrestling department? WOW!!! Now credit given where it's due... Everyone who has given them the what for in response is ingenius by comparison...

you guys really need to reread my original post, and then reread all my following responses.

captain organic wrote:

you guys really need to reread my original post, and then reread all my following responses.

"is Nate Diaz. I just don't see the wrestlers at 155(Maynard or Edgar) being able to take down and control BJ, and either guy would get mushed in the stand up.

Nate is a willing and able standup fighter. and unlike flo, I believe he would actually take advantage of his reach.

Could BJ outwrestle or out BJJ Nate, I guess, but Penn like's to keep fights standing.

Now Im not saying Nate is ready right now, nor am I saying he wins if they fight, but I think he matches up better then the wrestlers.

Problem I see is that Nate has had troubles with wrestlers so may never actually earn a title shot."

There's your original post. Nate is a willing and able stand up fighter... Ummm, compared to what? Certainly not in BJ's league, reach or no reach... Not even close! And you are right that BJ is MUCH better on the ground. And if he felt the need (Say Nate was landing jabs), he would take it there and end it VERY quickly.

See there are two problems here... You hit the first one dead on. Nate will NEVER get a shot. The second one is that you suggest he is the next best challenge behind Diego when in fact there is nothing in Nate's game that suggests he could even pose a threat to BJ. Pretty simple really...

I love Nate but he would get owned by BJ on the feet and probably on the ground. Maynard probably has a pretty significant strength advantage over BJ and he is a very good wrestler. That seems to be the combo best suited to beat BJ, strength and wrestling. Not saying Maynard would win but he has the tools that have given BJ problems in the past. He is probably the strongest LW out there right now.

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

captain organic wrote:

you guys really need to reread my original post, and then reread all my following responses.

"is Nate Diaz. I just don't see the wrestlers at 155(Maynard or Edgar) being able to take down and control BJ, and either guy would get mushed in the stand up.

Nate is a willing and able standup fighter. and unlike flo, I believe he would actually take advantage of his reach.

Could BJ outwrestle or out BJJ Nate, I guess, but Penn like's to keep fights standing.

Now Im not saying Nate is ready right now, nor am I saying he wins if they fight, but I think he matches up better then the wrestlers.

Problem I see is that Nate has had troubles with wrestlers so may never actually earn a title shot."

There's your original post. Nate is a willing and able stand up fighter... Ummm, compared to what? Certainly not in BJ's league, reach or no reach... Not even close! And you are right that BJ is MUCH better on the ground. And if he felt the need (Say Nate was landing jabs), he would take it there and end it VERY quickly.

See there are two problems here... You hit the first one dead on. Nate will NEVER get a shot. The second one is that you suggest he is the next best challenge behind Diego when in fact there is nothing in Nate's game that suggests he could even pose a threat to BJ. Pretty simple really...

The comparison was to the other guys in line, ie Nate poses a bigger threat then the wrestlers(whom I see as posing no threat at all), I made the point over and over throughout the discussion.

And again you fail. Those "wrestlers" are the ones who give BJ the biggest challenge. BJ has never had problems with mediocre strikers with slightly above average ground skills and a slight reach advantage. You think you see something that simply isn't there is all...

Jesus Christ, who said Maynard could handle GSP? I said he could take him down. I didn't say he could win a fight with him, that he could hold him down, or anything on those lines. I said he could take him down. I'd also say GSP could take Liddell down.


OMG A REASON TO FINALLY FUCKIN APPEAR SMARTER THAN WOLF ABOUT SOMETHING...FYCK ANYTHING. WOLF UR SO DUMB - save it losers.

Maybe saying he was maybe a better wrestler in MMA than GSP was a bit premature, but I still think it's possible he could be.

After all the pain I have dished out I should have expected the asshurt to respond like this first chance.

Damn kiddo, you'd think a new week would bring a new attitude. Sorry I overstated what you were implying. Relax my boy. And the only pain you have dished out is on those poor folk that brought you into this world.

Sorry, I take that back... It wasn't very nice and I'm better than that. Please accept my apology.

Hey Wolf, what exactly is your job? Do you sift through viles of excrement, urine and other bodily fluids, are you a corporate bean counter, data entry??? I'm just curious...

Jack of all trades at the firm I work at. It's a fortune 500 company that deals with pesticide. The place is so PC and policy so strict that I won't say exactly where I work. Guys have been let go for shit they've said on the net. anyway I do everything there from time to time, face to face sales, appointment sales, telamarketing, customer service, audits, quality control, AR/collections, service calls and customer retention and production of the services we offer.

And the only pain you have dished out is on those poor folk that brought you into this world.

That one was good. Approved.



If you're asking if I am some cubical nobody who is trapped all day in some stifling workplace who vents online, the answer is epic fail. I treat the internet and it's ensuing flame battles as a form of entertainment. I kind of feel bad about it in retrospect but I have broken up marriages(multiple) and relationships and gotten people evicted from their homes with some of the shit I've done through a keyboard.

I say I feel bad, but if I did I probably wouldn't have posted that.

Well, I wasn't implying or suggesting anything. I've been ripped regularly as being a middle aged "professional" who "wastes" his time arguing about trivial shit. To each his own, we all have our ways to detour our minds from the daily BS. As far as your keyboard "accomplishments", I guess it just shows how weak minded the masses really are.

Anyway, the reason I asked was I remember seeing a brief flash of a Quest banner on your profile. Thought you might be a tech.

Quest the phone company? If so I sold long distance service for them when I was 16 through a telamarketing company, if that counts!

No, Quest the medical testing lab.

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

And again you fail. Those "wrestlers" are the ones who give BJ the biggest challenge. BJ has never had problems with mediocre strikers with slightly above average ground skills and a slight reach advantage. You think you see something that simply isn't there is all...

Which wrestlers? Im talking about Edgar and Maynard, not GSP and Hughes. Those are the only 2 wrestlers I've seen give Penn trouble, and those guys are in both a different league, and weight division then the 2 Im talking about.

You're probably one of those guys that said we cannot use the GSP fight as any indication of how Penn will fare at 155. Then you go off and use the GSP as an indication of how Penn will fare at 155.

I really think Clay Guida can beat BJ with his relentless pace and best wrestling in the LW division.

hasudinxx wrote:

I really think Clay Guida can beat BJ with his relentless pace and best wrestling in the LW division.

best wrestling in the LW divison? I put Maynard, Sherk and Frankie over him in that department.

Guida vs. BJ would go something like the third round of Guida Huerta.